2007-09-18 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:42:01 <edgy> Hi, I don't want my invoices to print two decimal places (700.00), how can I cancel this please?
04:42:40 <edgy> I know see a reply from warlord (warlord-afk?) that this is controlled by my currency but where is that control exist, please?
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06:39:08 <edgy> Hi, I don't want my invoices to print two decimal places (700.00), how can I cancel this please?
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09:33:17 <warlord> @tell edgy you can stop repeating your question -- We saw it the first time; you dont need to repeat it EVERY TIME you login. Just stay around and you'll get an answer....
09:33:17 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
09:34:31 <warlord> @tell edgy Also, you didn't say what currency you're using; what currency is your invoice? basically, the invoice will take the number of decimal points your currency uses. If your currency uses 2, then invoices will use 2. There's no way to change that except to re-build gnucash with a changed currency list, which would break all your other accounts that use 2 decimal places.
09:34:31 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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10:29:38 <walbert> hey folks, how do I return preferences on the look/functionality of the registers / transaction journal windows?
10:29:44 <walbert> (to default)
10:32:27 <warlord> Which preferences in particular?
10:32:46 <warlord> (I dont think there's a way to reset only SOME of your preferences)
10:33:01 <walbert> not certain, i just messed with the preferences, and now i have some visual artifacts when the window repaints
10:33:42 <walbert> and transactions seem to skip around without regard to entry order or date when I select them
10:33:55 <warlord> Did you try closing the register and reopening it?
10:34:09 <walbert> of course :)
10:34:29 <walbert> that makes it pretty again, until I select a transaction
10:34:33 <walbert> (on win32 version)
10:34:44 <warlord> OH! On win32 I have no idea.
10:34:47 <walbert> yeah
10:34:53 <warlord> Umm...
10:35:04 <warlord> If you dont mind resetting ALL your preferences..
10:35:08 <warlord> You can shut down gnucash
10:35:12 <warlord> shut down gconfd
10:35:13 <walbert> better than this crap :P
10:35:19 <walbert> gconfd?
10:35:24 <walbert> would that apply to win32?
10:35:34 <walbert> i've never messed with gtk outside of linux
10:35:42 <warlord> then delete the .gconf directory
10:35:52 <warlord> Yes, it applies. See the wiki.
10:36:52 <walbert> .gconfd has one file
10:36:59 <walbert> which is 0 bytes long
10:36:59 <walbert> ...
10:37:34 <warlord> I didn't say ".gconfd" -- I said ".gconf"
10:37:48 <warlord> And you need to shutdown gconfd.
10:37:51 <warlord> (first)
10:38:00 <walbert> ha
10:38:02 <walbert> brilliant
10:38:32 <warlord> gconftool-2 --shutdown
10:39:22 <walbert> bah
10:39:34 <walbert> apparantly the settings had nothing to do with repainting
10:39:52 <warlord> well, then, you'll need to talk to andi5
10:39:56 <walbert> nods
10:39:57 <warlord> @op andi5
10:39:57 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
10:40:02 <warlord> @op benoitg
10:40:03 *** gncbot sets mode: +o benoitg
10:40:07 <walbert> :sigh:
10:40:14 <walbert> thanks, though :)
10:40:15 <warlord> @op
10:40:16 *** gncbot sets mode: +o warlord
10:40:53 <warlord> sorry. If you knew what you changed......
10:41:04 <walbert> hrm
10:43:06 <walbert> weird, i lowered my screen resolution for something unrelated to gnucash, and it started repainting fine
10:43:14 <walbert> then when i brought it back up, it kept working
10:46:04 <warlord> Um, ok
10:46:13 <warlord> well, i'll be back
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10:52:56 <andi5> @tell walbert sounds like a well-known bug -> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432021 ... maybe?
10:52:56 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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11:40:11 <warlord> hi edgy
11:41:10 <edgy> warlord: hi
11:41:10 <gncbot> edgy: Sent 2 hours and 7 minutes ago: <warlord> you can stop repeating your question -- We saw it the first time; you dont need to repeat it EVERY TIME you login. Just stay around and you'll get an answer....
11:41:11 <gncbot> edgy: Sent 2 hours and 6 minutes ago: <warlord> Also, you didn't say what currency you're using; what currency is your invoice? basically, the invoice will take the number of decimal points your currency uses. If your currency uses 2, then invoices will use 2. There's no way to change that except to re-build gnucash with a changed currency list, which would break all your other accounts that use 2 decimal places.
11:42:06 <edgy> warlord: first sorry for reapeating the question ;)
11:43:17 <edgy> warlord: the question is how can I set my currency decimal points? by right-clicking the account and choose the commodity value to be 1?
11:45:38 <edgy> I choose the smallest fraction option to be 1 but that didn't make it
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11:46:30 <warlord> That will only affect the account. it wont affect invoices.
11:46:38 <warlord> Invoices ALWAYS use the currency SCU.
11:46:46 <warlord> There's no way to reset that.
11:46:52 <warlord> Besides, WHY would you want to change that?
11:47:35 <edgy> warlord: because when I print the invoice the .00 part make the columns wider in an ugly way
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11:48:21 <edgy> warlord: we don't deal with 1/100 parts of my currency when we sell or buy so it's redundant anyway
11:48:25 <warlord> move to a country that has no pennies.
11:48:53 <edgy> warlord: what's the currency SCU? where can I set that?
11:49:17 <warlord> i already told you that. read what i said through gncbot
11:50:47 <edgy> warlord: my currency is SAR
11:51:07 <warlord> Doesn't matter what the currency is.
11:51:16 <warlord> As I said earlier: There's no way to change that except to re-build gnucash with a changed currency list, which would break all your other accounts that use 2 decimal places.
11:54:13 <edgy> warlord: don't you think this is a missing feature? either I am speaking rubbish or gnucash is
11:54:19 <edgy> missing simple things
11:54:26 <warlord> You're speaking rubbish
11:54:34 <edgy> warlord: I am not complaining. thanks a lot for the great software but
11:54:34 <warlord> Nobody else has asked for this.
11:54:52 <edgy> warlord: if there is no pennis why would I want to print those .00?
11:55:06 <warlord> Because there COULD be pennies. Gnucash can't read your mind.
11:55:35 <edgy> warlord: the point is if there is pennies, it should be printed but if there is none, it shouldn't like in Excel e.g
11:55:46 <warlord> Fine, send in a patch.
11:56:57 <edgy> warlord: I hope I can do that and I really hope I have some money I can donate to the project but for now I really can't
11:57:32 <edgy> warlord: but I would try to find some one who need such application for business who can support it. who knows
11:57:58 <edgy> warlord: how is gnucash compared to quicken or MS money?
11:58:07 <warlord> Well, like I said.. You're the first person to ask for this.. And personally I think it would look really ugly to have an invoice that has some entries with pennies and others without.
11:59:12 <warlord> I would expect that it would be compared by someone taking the two applications side by side and comparing them.
12:00:30 <edgy> warlord: actually you are right if there is some entries with two decimal places it makes no sense but if I have an invoice with no pennies I would definitely like to not see the 00 even if I need them for other invoices so it shouldn't be application wide it should be invoice wide at least
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12:01:19 <edgy> warlord: excel or calc does this per cell e.g not for the whole document or the whole row
12:01:32 <warlord> right, and I think that's UGLY.
12:01:40 <warlord> I want my invoices consistent.
12:02:15 <edgy> warlord: that's a strange and may be there is lots of people like you and this is why no one request it yet ;)
12:02:22 <edgy> which is unfortunate ;)
12:03:08 <warlord> So, you'd have to go look through every number-cell on the invoice and then decide whether to include pennies.. but that would make invoice generation even slower.
12:03:54 <warlord> what? it's strange to want invoices consistent?
12:04:01 <warlord> self-consistent even?
12:04:49 <edgy> warlord: yes I don't see a reason that I would want all my invoices to have the same decimal points, conistent in other things are ok. But again I know I have zero experience in accounting and I am just speaking *my* common sense
12:05:28 * warlord shrugs
12:05:43 <warlord> You're the first person to make this (rather strange, IMHO) request.
12:05:57 <edgy> warlord: I won't go for each cell to decide, I should have a global setting but if I choose to input a transaction with 700 not 700.00 I should have the option
12:06:22 <warlord> There's no difference internally between those two
12:06:39 <edgy> warlord: because yesterday when I printed an invoice to a client he asked me why all those confusing 00
12:07:10 <edgy> this happened with a couple of guys and I just printed two invoices ;)
12:07:20 <warlord> Wow, you have really dumb clients! ;)
12:07:38 <edgy> warlord: and I have to satisfy them ;)
12:08:03 <warlord> Well, you can always export the invoice to HTML, edit that, load it into Firefox, and reprint from there.
12:08:38 <edgy> warlord: my manager told me why don't you make the columns thinner or change the font size, I told him I don't know how to do it, he looked at me as if I don't know the abc of computers ;)
12:09:25 <warlord> hehehehe
12:11:01 <edgy> warlord: I am now trying the export to htm option ....
12:12:38 <edgy> warlord: I really feel like a dummy now. I cannot figure out how to export to html!! I tried save as but it's not html
12:13:08 <warlord> There's the "Export" button on the toolbar.
12:14:35 <edgy> warlord: yes but the file exported is not html. I tried to open it with firefox and it's just text of codes like 1 c11beb7a8338c8480676718eb0a4679e counters gncCustomer 10 gncEmployee 3 gncInvoice 2 options Business Company Email Address
12:14:56 <warlord> edgy: Um... you have to export the invoice report.
12:15:11 <warlord> You just did "File -> Export Accounts", which is NOT what you want.
12:15:35 <edgy> warlord: no no. I generated a printable invoice and exported that
12:16:47 <warlord> via the "export" toolbar item?
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12:17:21 <edgy> warlord: yes
12:17:45 <edgy> warlord: btw I am using v2.0.5, does that make a difference?
12:21:51 <edgy> warlord: it seems I was wrong. it's ok now!!
12:22:24 <warlord> Yes, you were wrong ;) I know it works. :-D
12:22:41 <edgy> don't know what happened really! but it works now and at lease
12:23:14 <edgy> at least I have a way know to change the font size, type, the column sizes, ... but it's very difficult to edit this each time
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12:26:47 <warlord> yeah, I know. We really need something like e-guile for HTML-based invoice templates.
12:40:57 <edgy> warlord: may be I need to use another app like http://simpleinvoices.org, I really don't know yet but I am trying to see the other options now
12:41:11 <warlord> sure.
12:41:33 <warlord> Nowadays I use the FancyInvoice, but originally, until that was donated, I didn't even use GnuCash to print out invoices..
12:41:41 <warlord> I used a custom LaTeX invoice.
12:49:16 <edgy> FancyInvoice? can you please give a url?
12:50:42 <edgy> warlord: also what about spending time in learing openbravo.com, do you think it would pay off at the end?
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12:55:01 <warlord> edgy: [menu] -> Reports -> Business -> Fancy Invoice
12:55:19 <warlord> I have no idea what openbravo.com is.
12:56:37 <warlord> Oooh, AMD finally released their quad-core Opterons.
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13:50:38 <edgy> warlord: this fancy invoice has some fields that are not in the printable invoice like minimum entries and vice versa like the date format, why not all the options are grouped in the normal invoice?
13:52:00 <warlord> because that's just the way it is
13:52:10 <warlord> they are different reports.
13:53:16 <edgy> warlord: what's the main difference?
13:53:30 <edgy> warlord: I mean when shall I use each?
13:54:07 <warlord> That's up to you
13:54:43 <edgy> warlord: you mean if I want to customize the date e.g I use the printable?
13:55:30 <warlord> I haven't looked at the reports recently, so I dont remember what options exist in either.
13:56:18 <edgy> warlord: thanks a lot for your help
13:56:46 <edgy> warlord: are you a developer for gnucash? or are you the main developer or just a user?
13:56:56 <warlord> LOL!
13:57:04 <warlord> yes
13:57:07 <warlord> :-)
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13:58:22 <edgy> warlord: yes means what here? ;)
13:58:36 <warlord> I'm not just a developer, I'm also a user. :-D
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13:59:07 <edgy> warlord: are things like Hijri calendar supported in gnucash?
13:59:28 <warlord> WTF is Hijri?
13:59:51 <Jaran> the islamic calendar :p
14:00:04 <edgy> warlord: like gregorian calendar in Arabic-speaking countries people use another calendar that's moon-based
14:00:09 <edgy> Jaran: exactly
14:00:30 <edgy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijri
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14:01:28 <warlord> Does Gtk support it?
14:01:42 <warlord> We just use whatever Gtk supports.
14:01:54 <edgy> warlord: not sure about gtk since I don't use gnome but I know kde supports it
14:02:23 <warlord> That doesnt matter.
14:02:30 <warlord> Gnucash uses Gtk, not Qt.
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14:02:58 <edgy> warlord: but if it's done in Qt, I guess it shouldn't be difficul for gtk to learn from there, is it?
14:03:17 <warlord> I have no clue. That's a question for the Gtk folks.
14:03:34 <edgy> warlord: let's say I find someone to pay for this, how should I proceed? contact gtk developers?
14:03:56 <warlord> i have no idea.
14:04:05 <warlord> probably?
14:04:16 <warlord> it's way lower than gnucash.
14:04:31 <warlord> Oh by the way.. L'Shana Tova. :-D
14:04:48 <edgy> warlord: what does that means?
14:04:56 <warlord> Happy New Year
14:05:14 <edgy> warlord: in which language?
14:05:18 <warlord> Hebrew
14:05:34 <warlord> (transliterated, of course)
14:05:34 <edgy> warlord: aha! I speak arabic not hebrew ;)
14:05:45 <warlord> Eh, they're close. ;)
14:06:04 <Jaran> heh
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14:06:38 <edgy> lol ;)
14:06:47 <edgy> ok see you later good guys
14:06:51 <warlord> Anyways, if you have lower level Gtk issues, you should take them to the Gtk folks.. Probably in #gtk
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22:27:18 <duvnell> okay.. need help entering mortgage.. my fixed APR mortgage is several years old and the payment has varied due to some miscommunication.. anyway, I just started using gnucash (love it) and I'd like to start recording the mortgage, but in the middle
22:27:35 <duvnell> I'm not quite sure where to put all the numbers in the accounts hierarchy.. tho I do have all the numbers
22:27:46 <duvnell> can anyone help?
22:28:57 <duvnell> well, perhaps I'll try again tomorrow when it's earlier
22:30:16 <duvnell> ok.. one other question.. what do I do at the end of a year? Do I start a new file over or do I continue with the existing one? Reports don't have date ranges that I've found
22:34:38 <warlord> duvnell: You can enter it with the current principle and then tell it how many payments you have left.
22:34:51 <warlord> Um, ALL the reports have date ranges.
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