2007-09-10 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:29:20 <dbr> vern: since there is a unique transaction ID required for each ofx transaction, it is always easier to avoid duplicates with ofx
00:30:10 <dbr> I would say for importing files, both are supported equally
00:30:53 <vern> thanks
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08:57:19 <Rolf> Is the gnucash XML valid or just well-formed?
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09:06:28 <jsled> Rolf: it's well-formed, but it's not valid, as there's no DTD or other-format schema in use.
09:06:48 <jsled> Rolf: "valid" <http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/#dt-valid>
09:07:28 <jsled> That being said, a schema could certainly be devised that the document would easily validate against, as we generate the markup procedurally and very regularly.
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10:03:45 <Rolf> jsled: How do I get emacs to auto-close parantheses in nxml-mode?
10:03:58 <jsled> parens? Or tags?
10:05:01 <jsled> For tags, M-x customize-variable nxml-slash-auto-complete-flag to true, then typing "</" will auto-close the currently-scoped tag.
10:08:09 <Rolf> OK
10:08:19 <Rolf> Thanks
10:17:12 <Rolf> jsled: Sorry to bother you again. And how do I get to auto-indent? I looked at the other nxml-variables it does not seem to be set there.
10:17:36 <jsled> auto-indent? I don't know if there is...
10:18:06 <jsled> I usually just select the whole doc and M-C-\ (indent-region)
10:18:26 <Rolf> yes
10:18:39 <Rolf> I just fixed indentation for SKR04 like that
10:18:55 <Rolf> Doing it every time seems kind of wasteful and it took quite a while.
10:19:07 <Rolf> But if you don't use it, forget about my question.
10:19:18 <jsled> I don't think it exists.
10:19:43 <jsled> There's 3 nxml- variables that deal with indent, but nothing relating to automatic indentation.
10:19:52 <jsled> I think in part because it's mutative and expensive.
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11:52:47 <PecisDarbs> Can GnuCash file be opened via plain text editor?
11:53:12 <jsled> yes. it's an XML file, though it may be gzip-compressed.
11:53:17 <jsled> I believe it is by default.
11:53:53 <jsled> You can either change the setting in Edit > Preferences an re-save it, or just run it through gunzip
11:54:19 <jsled> PecisDarbs: what's your goal?
11:54:48 <PecisDarbs> jsled: something broken in it, I wanna get some two day transactions out
11:55:04 <PecisDarbs> jsled: when I try to open it GnuCash says it's broken
11:55:12 <jsled> oh? What's the error message specifically?
11:55:23 <PecisDarbs> eine sec
11:55:31 <jsled> Maybe, run it from the command line with `LANG=C gnucash`?
11:55:50 * jsled guesses you're in a different locale by default.
11:56:09 <PecisDarbs> jsled: problem was because of file being saved in GnuCash 2.2 in Windows and opened _and_ saved in Ubuntu Feisty GnuCash 2.0.2
11:56:17 <PecisDarbs> after that it can't open it
11:56:35 <jsled> do you use scheduled transactions?
11:56:42 <PecisDarbs> nope
11:56:52 <PecisDarbs> it says something about groups
11:56:58 <jsled> hmm. Oh, 2.0.2. You need 2.0.5, I believe.
11:56:59 <PecisDarbs> that something is lacking about them
11:57:05 <PecisDarbs> jsled: I tried already
11:57:13 <PecisDarbs> 2.0.5 and compiled 2.2 even for feisty
11:57:16 <PecisDarbs> the same error
11:57:18 <jsled> Ah, you were in here the other day.
11:57:25 <jsled> with a different nick.
11:57:32 <PecisDarbs> this is my work nick
11:57:35 * jsled nods
11:57:39 <PecisDarbs> from home it's pecisk
11:57:49 <PecisDarbs> can I get some stuff out of it?
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11:57:51 <jsled> So, if you've built 2.2, there's no reason it shouldn't open.
11:57:57 <jsled> So, there's some other problem.
11:58:09 <jsled> But, yeah, you can open the file.
12:03:57 <PecisDarbs> hmmmm, I can't decode what it is said in that
12:05:56 <jsled> what are you looking for?
12:06:48 <jsled> PecisDarbs: <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_export_data.3F> might be useful to you
12:06:51 <PecisDarbs> transactions for four five days
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12:08:17 <PecisDarbs> jsled: it was this error for 2.0.2 and 2.2 http://pastebin.ca/690381
12:08:25 <PecisDarbs> the same error for both versions
12:09:23 <jsled> PecisDarbs: can you open your datafile in a text editor?
12:10:05 <jsled> search for the string "name>Root Account"?
12:11:14 <PecisDarbs> right away
12:11:28 <jsled> It's a bit of a long shot, but ...
12:11:49 <PecisDarbs> yes, there is such string
12:12:04 <jsled> okay. in that same block, is there an <act:type>ROOT</act:type> line?
12:12:30 <jsled> it should be 2 lines down from the name.
12:16:19 <PecisDarbs> m
12:16:21 <PecisDarbs> no
12:16:29 <jsled> Ah. Add it in, then.
12:17:29 <PecisDarbs> ahh
12:17:31 <PecisDarbs> added
12:17:34 <PecisDarbs> let's try it
12:17:37 <PecisDarbs> :)
12:17:57 <jsled> That's really weird, though. Did it ever open with 2.0.2/2.0.5?
12:18:12 <jsled> (er, 2.0.2, I guess; since you didn't try 2.0.5 until it broke)
12:20:26 <PecisDarbs> It was like that
12:21:16 <PecisDarbs> Windows 2.2 => Ubuntu 2.0.2 (it opened) => saved => next time Ubuntu 2.0.2 didn't open => tried with 2.0.5 (via backports) and 2.2 (via /dev/hands/compile), no luck
12:21:26 * PecisDarbs will just try now fixed version
12:21:30 <PecisDarbs> let's see maybe it opens
12:21:43 <jsled> ah.
12:22:03 <jsled> I think 2.0.5 has a change that makes it able to re-save the files correctly.
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12:25:00 <cortilap> does anyone know which of hibernate, s2ram, acpi-support are installed by default?
12:25:19 <jsled> gnucash installs none of those by default. ;)
12:25:23 <cortilap> oops
12:25:25 <PecisDarbs> jsled: riiight :) thanks for hint, it fixed it
12:25:26 <cortilap> bloody xchat
12:25:35 <jsled> PecisDarbs: oh, great!
12:25:36 <cortilap> i'm sure this was #debian-devel when i started typing that message!
12:25:59 <jsled> cortana: I've done the same ... it likes to mess with focus on joins too much.
12:26:04 <PecisDarbs> jsled: it should be written down into FAQ somewhere. it is easy fix :)
12:26:17 <jsled> PecisDarbs: Well, it's not a frequently asked question, thankfully.
12:26:28 <jsled> PecisDarbs: but if I hear it again, I'll definitely add it.
12:26:52 <PecisDarbs> great
12:27:01 <jsled> I just wish 'buntu got 2.0.5 out for their older distros. There's a reason we make bug-fix releases. :/
12:31:34 <PecisDarbs> yes
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14:13:52 <fell> Hi, all together
14:14:04 <jsled> hello
14:14:25 <fell> Rolf: I am back, but have not so much time
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14:28:44 <pogma> local user group is doing a gnucash presentation in october: http://www.muug.mb.ca/meetings/07-08.html#oct
14:29:55 <wharp> I'm having an issue getting my gnucash file from version 2.0.2 and 2.0.5 to open in version 2.2.1
14:31:31 <jsled> pogma: nifty. Do you know my Jenkins?
14:31:37 <jsled> s/my/Mr./
14:31:43 <jsled> wharp: hmm. what's the issue?
14:32:26 <wharp> when I tell it to open the file, it gets part way through loading the file and then gnucash crashes
14:33:03 <jsled> wharp: c.f. <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Something_bad_happened.3B_how_can_I_help_debug.3F>, is anything printed to the console when it crashes? Or /tmp/gnucash.trace?
14:33:26 <wharp> maybe I should mention that I'm running 2.2.1 on windows xp pro
14:33:27 <jsled> Please use a pastebin (e.g., <http://pastebin.ca/>) to report anything you do find.
14:33:49 <pogma> jsled: Nope, only immigrated to Canada this year, so don't actually know anyone :)
14:34:07 <jsled> pogma: you were in .jp before, right? For a long time, IIRC.
14:34:41 <jsled> wharp: it shouldn't matter (though I guess I should fixup that "/tmp/gnucash.trace" reference to be a bit more platform agnostic). The only troubles should be going from 2.2.x back to 2.0.x.
14:34:49 <warlord> pogma: welcome (back) to North America
14:35:06 <pogma> thanks :)
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14:37:47 <wharp> none of the trace files I've found have anything in them
14:38:02 <wharp> and nothing is printed to the console either
14:38:07 <jsled> it just crashes?
14:38:35 <wharp> yes, and then the standard windows crash dialog comes up
14:39:05 <jsled> wharp: if you have the time/inclination, it'd be great if you could repro to the problem within the debugger (see <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#gdb>) to see where/how it crashes.
14:39:59 <wharp> leme see about that
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14:58:19 <wharp> ok, i've done that, what should I do with the info?, pastebin.ca?
15:03:24 <jsled> pastebin, to start off.
15:04:06 <jsled> Maybe we'll open a bug for it; I'm not very handy on the windows side, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to help
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15:05:09 <wharp> ok
15:06:40 <wharp> pastebin.ca\690602
15:07:04 <jsled> url?
15:08:28 <wharp> http://pastebin.ca/690602
15:08:50 <jsled> hmm. not a very useful stack trace. :*
15:09:04 <jsled> s,:*,:(,
15:09:13 <wharp> hopefully its just a windows issue, I haven't been able to get 2.2.1 to compile on ubuntu yet
15:09:19 <wharp> anything I can do to get a better one?
15:10:00 <warlord> wow, that's a poor stacktrace!
15:11:23 <warlord> unfortunately i'm not a windows person, so... I'm afraid I dont have a good answer for you.
15:11:28 <warlord> @op benoitg
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15:11:42 <warlord> you could ask andi5 when he's around?
15:11:53 <wharp> ok
15:12:03 <jsled> There's notes/links about "getting better stack traces" at <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#gdb>
15:14:24 <warlord> wharp: does it crash if you just do "File -> New -> New File"
15:16:56 <wharp> nope, I can do that fine
15:17:07 <wharp> and this is on two different windows xp pro machines
15:17:55 <warlord> Could be a problem in the data file... Unlikely, but possible. Have you been able to try it with 2.2.x on a Linux/Unix machine?
15:20:15 <wharp> no, unfortunately I've been unable to get it to compile
15:20:44 <warlord> apt-get build-dep gnucash; ./configure --prefix=/opt/gnucash; make; make install
15:21:06 <wharp> yeah, trust me, I've followed all the instructions, but I keep getting errors here and there
15:21:25 <wharp> though I am trying to create a .deb and then install that
15:22:02 <warlord> Do what I said above and you dont need to build/install a .deb
15:22:25 <wharp> but I understand its better to use a package in case you need to remove and such
15:22:29 <warlord> The --prefix=/opt/gnucash will keep ALL of gnucash's installed files under /opt/gnucash -- and you can remove them later.
15:22:41 <wharp> ah, ok
15:22:52 <warlord> Trust me, I wont steer you wrong.
15:22:56 <wharp> will I need to remove the existing installation (2.0.5)?
15:23:02 <warlord> Yes.
15:23:10 <wharp> ok
15:23:10 <warlord> (if it's installed in /usr)
15:23:21 <wharp> Not sure, its wherever ubuntu sticks it
15:23:29 <warlord> right.. /usr
15:23:47 <wharp> so just use aptititude to remove it and then run what you gave me?
15:25:23 <jsled> yes
15:25:26 <warlord> pretty much, yes.
15:25:37 <jsled> though you should be able to get through everything but `make install` before removing it.
15:26:07 <warlord> You obviously need to 'untar' the gnucash sources, and maybe you'll want to add additional arguments to configure
15:26:24 <wharp> ok
15:26:28 <wharp> yeah, I've done all that
15:26:58 <wharp> just the final steps to create the deb always go wrong somewhere, I think gzopen was the last thing I was having a problem with
15:27:20 <wharp> I was trying to compile 2.2.1 with online banking support
15:27:23 <warlord> "checkinstall broken. news at 11"
15:31:01 <wharp> I tried using checkinstall and also the official debian package builder (I believe that's what it was), no dice either way, but I'll give it another shot when I get a chance tonight hopefully
15:44:20 <warlord> Well, there are enough changes between 2.0.x and 2.2.x that it's unlikely the 2.0.x debian files would work without changes.
15:45:48 <wharp> so does that mean I'm hosed?
15:51:55 <warlord> No, it means you should do what I said and stop trying to build a .deb
15:52:06 <wharp> on these additionaly instructions on getting a better stack trace, I assume that by "frame 4" it means column 4, right?
15:52:08 <wharp> ah, ok
15:52:39 <jsled> No, "frame" is a stack frame ... the numbered items in the list that 'backtrace' generates.
15:54:05 <wharp> oh, so in the case of the bt I did, that would be 0x00000001?
15:55:00 <jsled> In the backtrace you did, the address of frame #4 is 0x01, yes.
15:57:02 <wharp> Hm....I'm not seeing anything in MMP listed with that exactly, there are some things that start out with 0x01, such as 0x019e0000
15:57:43 <jsled> Sorry. 0x01 is a short way of saying 0x00000001.
15:57:54 <jsled> I shouldn't have shortened it ... too confusing.
15:58:09 <wharp> no, I understand that, but its not listed in the dump at all
15:58:15 <wharp> not 0x00000001
15:58:29 <jsled> okay. Yeah, the 0x01 is strange, as are 0x00 and 0x60
15:58:47 <jsled> Er. 0x40 and 0x06 (sorry ... was going off memory)
15:59:07 <wharp> hm....so what should I be looking for, do you know?
15:59:23 <warlord> On windows? or on Linux/unix?
15:59:26 <wharp> win
15:59:37 <jsled> Sorry ... I have no idea. andi5 or cstim or nbinot might be able to help.
15:59:46 <wharp> ok
15:59:59 <wharp> know when they're usually around?
16:00:00 <jsled> wharp: I'd suggest filing a bug, with all the detail; you should probably re-attach the pastebin'ed info to the bug, since I'm not sure of the lifetime of the pastebin'ed
16:00:38 <wharp> ok, thanks
16:00:58 <warlord> And dont be too surprised if one of the devs asks you for your data file.
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16:09:44 <wharp> Ok, I've filed the bug, hopefully its not my data file because that would completely suck
16:46:56 <chris> fell: are you Swiss by any chance?
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16:53:37 <Rolf> fell: Great to see you around again.
16:53:50 <Rolf> I guess you already saw the low progress being done.
16:54:07 <Rolf> Whatever you can contribute would be very much appreciated.
16:54:27 <Rolf> Maybe you also want to apply for RW access to the account charts.
16:54:36 <Rolf> I cleaned them up a bit over the last couple of days.
16:54:55 <fell> chris: No, corner germany, Netherland, Belgium
16:55:00 <warlord> hiya Rolf
16:55:01 <Rolf> Maybe you can check my changes at http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/timeline if you are interested.
16:55:07 <chris> Rolf: "low progess" compared to no progess before that?
16:56:45 <chris> fell: ah, I see... more Germans. :)
16:59:00 <fell> Rolf: today I was busy reading all your postings in -devel, -de and bugzilla
16:59:40 <warlord> fell: me too ;)
16:59:47 <fell> chris: your name sounds a little dutch
17:00:00 <Rolf> fell: Really? I will move to ddf next month!
17:00:28 <fell> rolf. ddf?
17:00:39 <Rolf> chris: Don't know about the progress before. But it is my feeling that gnucash is currently not ready for use in a german business context.
17:00:52 <Rolf> It is pretty close but somebody needs to do a bit of work
17:00:53 <chris> fell: maybe. probably some German, too.
17:01:08 <Rolf> or I just need to learn the appropriate steps that I overlooked so far.
17:02:13 <Rolf> fell: Das Autokennzeichen der Stadt ist D ;-)
17:02:52 <fell> I am in AC
17:03:34 <Rolf> Oh, cool
17:03:42 <Rolf> Maybe we can eventually meet some time.
17:03:59 <Rolf> I heard the housing situation is very tight in AC
17:04:09 <Rolf> A friend of mine is looking right now.
17:04:20 <Rolf> OK, I am off to bed.
17:04:32 <Rolf> Would be nice to see you around, fell.
17:04:33 <fell> but I also know Brilon-Wald Bf. In My Childhood I stood there often with the train.
17:04:44 <Rolf> hehe.
17:04:47 <Rolf> In the woods!
17:05:11 <Rolf> There are still a couple of your comments, I have not completely understood.
17:05:18 <Rolf> fell: One last question
17:05:26 <Rolf> Do you actually use gnucash for business?
17:05:41 <Rolf> Or is it just your burning interest in accounting?
17:05:49 <Rolf> :-D
17:07:32 <fell> Hm, I am just thinking about changing to lx-office, because I like SQL more than XML and could use some part of ERP also.
17:09:20 <fell> But I think, we could at least complete the SKR04, UStVa and possible EUeR
17:12:02 <fell> Another problem in GC, I realized to late in its meaning for me as importer is the problem with the currency handling, as described by P. Selinger.
17:12:14 <Rolf> fell: That is the old sql-ledger, right?
17:12:33 <Rolf> I gave them some consideration a while ago
17:12:47 <Rolf> But I don't think it ever ran for me at that time.
17:13:12 <Rolf> And I'd also hate to do my accounting from a browser front end (an optional front-end would be nice)
17:13:20 <Rolf> Both things might have changed by now.
17:13:25 <fell> Rolf: the german fork, because they had the same problems between american and german governmental rules
17:13:49 <Rolf> Would be nice if gnucash avoids the fork ;-)
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17:14:15 <Rolf> fell: What kind of front-ends by now?
17:15:18 <Rolf> fell: I am a freelancer (service/Dienstleistung)
17:15:36 <Rolf> I am not interested in a Warenwirtschaftssystem
17:15:50 <fell> It is a web frontend, because it is independend from OS - you can use in your local net with different machines.
17:15:54 <Rolf> Not sure if gnucash is indeed the right tool for that.
17:16:08 <Rolf> which is the nice part about a web-frontend
17:16:22 <Rolf> But you will soon hate it if you have any kind of serious data input.
17:16:36 <Rolf> Or interaction with the data for that matter.
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17:17:37 <fell> for bigger imports you can use postgresql tools or write a small perl or php app.
17:18:44 <Rolf> fell: Maybe compiere or the fork of it is more what you need.
17:18:49 <Rolf> But I think it is complex
17:19:07 <Rolf> The arena for OSS ERP has certainly moved and made great progress recently.
17:19:08 <fell> by example they are thinking about a interface to ebay
17:19:38 <Rolf> Nice for those with real goods flow, it seems.
17:20:17 <Rolf> fell: Have you ever tried compiere?
17:20:39 <fell> No, URL?
17:22:28 <Rolf> www.compiere.com
17:22:42 <Rolf> http://sf.net/projects/compiere
17:22:53 <fell> http://www.compiere.de/
17:23:07 <Rolf> But I remember that it is extremely OSS-unfriendly
17:23:13 <Rolf> Which is why there was a fork
17:23:28 <Rolf> If I were to test it out again, I'd go with the fork
17:23:57 <Rolf> compiere itself has no real community because the founder does not let it happen despite many very skilled people being interested
17:25:12 <Rolf> fell: I saw talk about a live CD for lx office
17:25:18 <Rolf> Do you know where to find it?
17:25:23 <fell> Which is the good fork in your eyes
17:25:28 <Rolf> http://www.lx-office.org/index.php?id=30&backPID=6&tt_news=45
17:25:38 <Rolf> fell: more than one?
17:25:51 <Rolf> fell: Sorry, I have not looked at the thing for quite some time.
17:26:09 <Rolf> fell: I believe it was adempiere.
17:27:16 <Rolf> I can only find that one with google for "compiere fork"
17:27:23 <Rolf> And I remember the adempiere name
17:28:30 <fell> http://www.lx-office.org/forum/board_entry.php?id=5078&page=0&category=1&order=last_answer&descasc=DESC
17:28:52 <fell> this happened me to organize
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17:35:26 <fell> But my intention about telling this is, I think, independend of the favoured project, the projects could boost by learning from each other.
17:38:15 <fell> when I startet with my version of skr04, I knew nearly nothing. I took Bettinas version and 1 week I completed account classes from official datev-skr.
17:38:19 <Rolf> fell: What about the link?
17:38:25 <Rolf> I am not on an rpm-based distro
17:38:36 <Rolf> And I probably never will be in the future
17:38:57 <Rolf> you are absolutely right.
17:39:03 <Rolf> FOSS is about collaboration
17:39:19 <Rolf> Which is why I think that giving out RW access for the account charts was important.
17:39:30 <Rolf> I will stick with gnucash
17:39:37 <Rolf> And you could get RW, too
17:40:10 <Rolf> I think the US-vs.-DE glitches can hopefully be worked around until a more long-term solution evolves
17:40:14 <fell> Never say never... If you or someone else were interested, I could ask the people of packman.
17:40:18 <Rolf> The problem is just that nobody used it yet
17:40:32 <Rolf> And thus the DE-business side of things had no voice.
17:40:48 <fell> They have nice scripts for packing.
17:40:50 * Rolf does not even know packman
17:40:56 <Rolf> Or why I would want it
17:41:10 <fell> packman.links2linux.de
17:41:20 * Rolf is very happy with Debian-based distros for the last couple of years.
17:42:14 <Rolf> fell: I usually have no problem building packages with debian-provided tools
17:42:31 <Rolf> And if there really is no other way, I install to ~/bin
17:42:47 <Rolf> I have not had the need for anythiing packman-like
17:43:07 <Rolf> And I would probably not trust it enough to install it and let it mess with my system
17:43:17 <Rolf> I am really a .deb-guy
17:46:08 <fell> i think, downloading bin.tar is a little outdated. On one machine I look for a .deb, on the other for a .rpm; else I use svn and build...
17:52:58 <fell> 1 point, I learned last time from the berlios project is, there are more views / structures to see the account frame: HGB, EUR, WBA and user.
17:54:30 <fell> I imlemented the view HGB. The question is now, is it possible, to switch to other views in another kind than writing reports?
17:55:37 <jsled> account frame = account tree?
17:55:45 <fell> yes
17:57:22 <jsled> It depends on what the definition of those other views is.
17:57:34 <jsled> The existing account tree makes it easy to filter things ... that's about all.
17:57:47 <jsled> Otherwise, it just displays the "natural" tree that hte accounts exist in.
17:57:54 <Rolf> fell: EUR = EÜR?
17:58:15 <Rolf> fell: WBA?
17:58:16 <fell> Rolf: EUeR
17:58:20 <jsled> Reports are a way to create an alternate view, but I'd be hard-pressed to recommend them.
17:58:51 <jsled> What are HGB, EUR, &c.?
17:59:01 <Rolf> jsled: German stuff
17:59:08 <Rolf> HGB = Handelsgesetzbuch
17:59:18 <Rolf> a law governing business in Germany
17:59:34 <Rolf> EUeR = Einnahme-Überschußrechnung
17:59:46 <jsled> Ah, I'm a bit familiar with the alternate view where there are two trees: Active and Passive.
18:00:04 <Rolf> You calculate your profit by substracting expenses from income
18:00:13 <fell> WBA= Wirtschaftliche Betriebs-Aufstellung or so, a View, which banks prefer today
18:00:18 <Rolf> This is easier than Bilanzierung, full-lown accounting
18:00:27 <Rolf> full-blown
18:00:59 <Rolf> With full-blown accounting, you record transactions independent of money flow.
18:01:17 <Rolf> not completely independent, but still
18:01:58 <Rolf> fell: Do you think those different view are really important for using gnucash in a business setting?
18:02:13 <Rolf> Maybe my needs are different than yours, but I don't think I would care
18:02:19 <Rolf> care about the views
18:02:29 <fell> EUeR only reports cash flows, while a balance sheet also has liabilities ...
18:02:56 <jsled> Some of these sound like they could be accomodated as reports, yes.
18:03:19 <Rolf> fell: Not 100% correct. But I am not an accountant, either.
18:03:34 <Rolf> jsled: I think reports would be the best solution.
18:03:43 <Rolf> I cannot see why they would not work.
18:03:55 <Rolf> You slice and dice the data the way you want it.
18:04:21 <Rolf> And you only need to be concerned that the data is available in a way flexible enough to get the data you really need.
18:04:30 * Rolf is off to bed.
18:04:33 <Rolf> Good night
18:04:38 <fell> Rolf: I saw other projects had this - and I saw, You and me sometimes prefer different views of skr04
18:04:56 <Rolf> fell: Yes, that will happen.
18:05:05 <Rolf> The task is to become aware of that
18:05:12 <Rolf> And then implement a flexible solution.
18:05:30 <Rolf> I don't think there is anything per se that would prevent gnucash from accomplishing this task
18:06:05 <Rolf> the only thing I am a bit worried about right now is that gnucash seems to only know about one tax-relevancy, but you need at least two
18:06:13 <Rolf> a) income tax relevancy
18:06:19 <Rolf> b) sales tax relevancy
18:06:32 <Rolf> jsled: Can that be done? Am I overlooking something?
18:06:45 <fell> It is only from my experience in sql very easy, and I dont know inxml and scheme ;)
18:06:47 <jsled> I know nothing about the support for taxes.
18:07:20 <jsled> Well, neither xml nor scheme have much to do with it, though I guess the existing tax handling is done as a report in scheme.
18:07:26 <Rolf> fell: I think xml is ok, although I am just learning it myself
18:07:44 <Rolf> (and it took me some time to get the tools, still not sure if they will work)
18:07:53 <Rolf> But thanks a lot to jsled for guiding me along
18:07:57 <jsled> :)
18:08:01 <Rolf> Scheme is, well, not so cool.
18:08:08 <jsled> thanks to you for finding the time to help out.
18:08:12 <chris> hehe
18:08:12 <Rolf> But I guess it is what you have to live with ATM
18:08:40 <Rolf> jsled: Me helping out?
18:08:53 <jsled> with the SKR0[34] improvements.
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18:08:54 <Rolf> I am not helping out anyone, really. As far as I can see.
18:09:09 <Rolf> Well, that is purely for my own benefit
18:09:10 <Rolf> :-D
18:10:01 <Rolf> who is the guy behind taxes?
18:10:14 <Rolf> The same guy who did the business support part?
18:10:52 <jsled> Well, Derek (warlord) did the business features, and there is tax-related support there.
18:11:23 <jsled> But it looks like the txf support was done by Richard Uschold
18:11:31 <jsled> maybe
18:11:48 <Rolf> Is Richard in IRC at times?
18:12:06 <Rolf> I will contact the two and ask about how things could be done.
18:12:15 * Rolf is really off to bed now
18:12:18 <Rolf> Good night.
18:12:24 <jsled> Rolf: wait.
18:12:28 <Rolf> OK
18:12:43 <jsled> Rolf: Richard Uschold is barely mentioned in AUTHORS; he's never been in IRC, AFAIK.
18:12:47 * fell is auto shutting down after 30h uptime
18:12:56 <jsled> The TXF support was contributed and not really maintained.
18:13:15 <jsled> I guess it'd correspond to the income-tax treatment, where the business features support for taxes would be sales-tax treatment.
18:13:23 <jsled> But, AFAIK, they're separate.
18:13:30 <jsled> But, the TXF support does have explicit DE support.
18:13:39 <chris> well, cstim was the last to do any significant work with it, after a _long_ time unmaintained.
18:13:42 <jsled> So, you should take a look at it. src/tax/us/
18:13:54 <jsled> chris: Right, I thought cstim did some work on it.
18:14:08 <Rolf> cstim has already said that he is not interested in it and does not use it.
18:14:22 <jsled> Anyways, Rolf, that is all. I just wanted to flush my buffer on the subject before you left.
18:14:30 <Rolf> I hope he will give me enough of a clue that I can possibly make it workable.
18:14:40 <Rolf> jsled: Thanks.
18:14:53 <Rolf> Talk to you again tomorrow (probably)
18:14:57 <jsled> cheers
18:15:20 <Rolf> good night
18:15:31 <fell> cstim worked at tax about 2 years ago, I found the call for test in the mailing list a half year ago, now it´s your turn, rolf ;)
18:15:58 <Rolf> fell: basically, it is working
18:16:07 <Rolf> But it needs a lot of hand-holding.
18:16:19 <chris> 2 years ago is _recent_ compared to what came before.
18:16:21 <Rolf> And maybe some things can not even be done without real code changes
18:16:58 <Rolf> But gnucash certainly looks like being capable of doing the job I want to task it with.
18:17:51 <fell> as I wrote on gnucash.de UStVa is no big problem, but if we want more, may be there 1 or 2
18:20:06 <fell> Rolf, I think we make some concretisation about possible workflows on linuxwikide/gnucash/EUer...
18:24:50 <Rolf> good
18:24:53 <Rolf> small steps
18:25:05 <Rolf> UStVa would be quite welcome for me
18:25:14 <Rolf> And it certainly is not possible OOTB, yet
18:25:29 <fell> OOTB?
18:25:32 <Rolf> without manual fiddling
18:25:39 <Rolf> OOTB = out of the box
18:27:56 <Rolf> fell: Are you doing EÜR?
18:28:12 <fell> there are only a few rows(=Fields) missing. 1. col="UStVA", 2. col="Kennzahl NN"
18:28:22 <fell> yes
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18:29:31 <fell> but from study I am most thinking in "full accounting"
18:32:57 <Rolf> I don't understand what you mean by missing
18:32:57 <fell> but now I have really to sleep. Good night together!
18:33:04 <Rolf> Missing where?
18:33:32 <fell> Kennzahl 45 "foobar"
18:33:54 <fell> (Your bug/Mail???)
18:34:20 <fell> this are rows in the report
18:38:53 <fell> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2007-August/021257.html
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20:46:12 <warlord> I'll let someone else answer the "but WHY is it this way?" question on -user.
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21:29:04 <whar1> are there any newer instructions on compiling with HBCI and aqofxconnect enabled than http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian?
21:29:41 <jsled> not that I'm aware of.
21:29:55 <whar1> ok, thanks
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23:11:12 <whar1> hey jsled, I compiled and installed with the commands you gave me earlier but I can't get it running
23:15:46 <whar1> scratch that
23:22:38 <jsled> consider it scratched. It's working, then?
23:26:47 <whar1> yeah, odd thing though
23:27:12 <whar1> my file is on a removable drive, so the first time I ran it I got a message about it not being found, which, duh, the drive wasn't plugged in
23:27:31 <whar1> so I plugged it in, ran gnucash, and then got a segmentation fault, which is what I was getting on windows at work
23:27:48 <whar1> ran gnucash with the nofile option, and then opened my file and it worked fine and continues to do so
23:30:47 <jsled> Hmm. What's the path to the removable drive's file?
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23:31:58 <whar1> um..../media/KINGSTON/docs/gnucash/pf1
23:32:18 <whar1> i've always used it on this drive and never had a problem before
23:32:23 <jsled> What's that prefix? Is it stable?
23:32:38 <whar1> prefix?
23:33:03 <jsled> Oh ... is "/media/KINGSTON[...]" the full path?
23:33:10 <whar1> yes
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23:33:31 <jsled> ah.
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