2007-09-07 GnuCash IRC logs

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09:02:29 <Rolf> jsled: Finally managed to compile xsh and even package it into a deb
09:02:46 <Rolf> thanks to dh-make-perl
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13:30:48 <jsled> "Subversion 1.5 will support Merge Tracking." - http://blogs.open.collab.net/svn/2007/09/what-subversion.html
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13:36:04 <AltiusBimm> It may be worth noting that I have found an open-source financial application known as Grisbi, which has a much easier method of currency management. Creating custom currencies is effortless compared to in GnuCash. :-)
13:36:30 <jsled> We've heard of Grisbi, but I don't personally know anything about it.
13:36:42 <AltiusBimm> ahha
13:37:10 <jsled> Do you mean currency specifically, or commodity?
13:37:28 <jsled> I mean, doesn't it take like ~3 steps to create a new commodity in gnucash?
13:37:48 <AltiusBimm> <dramatic voice>I mean currency specifically</dramatic voice>
13:37:52 <AltiusBimm> :-D
13:37:54 <jsled> heh.
13:38:07 <AltiusBimm> it was very exciting to discover
13:38:22 <AltiusBimm> exactly the sort of editor I had hoped to find in GnuCash
13:38:45 <jsled> hmm. How often/why do you need to create new currencies?
13:39:03 <AltiusBimm> because there are many private currencies in the world
13:40:18 <AltiusBimm> Linden Dollars, Chuck E. Cheese tokens, Liberty Dollars, Ithica Hours, to name but a few
13:41:04 <jsled> Oh. But, those aren't ISO4217 currencies, they're commodities ...
13:41:42 <AltiusBimm> hehehe
13:41:53 <AltiusBimm> I suppose you have a point there...lol
13:42:40 <AltiusBimm> it's just that GnuCash only draws the symbols for commodities on the right side of the number, while many of the aforementioned commodities are supposed to have their symbols on the left of the number
13:42:41 <jsled> I mean, Tools > Security Editor. Name: Linden Dollar, Symbol: L$ Type: Custom, Ctrl-O[k].
13:43:09 <jsled> That's true. I've never been thrilled with how we handle that.
13:43:17 <AltiusBimm> ^^v
13:43:27 <AltiusBimm> agreed
13:43:50 <jsled> And the whole "currency symbol from locale, currency abbrev otherwise" thing, which is somewhat related.
13:45:15 <AltiusBimm> in fact on some level I do prefer the commodity model of private currency, because e.g. with the Linden Dollar, it is bought and sold as though a commodity, whereas Grisbi has limited reference to exchange rates, but GnuCash lets me track the exchange rate for each purchase or sale
13:45:45 <AltiusBimm> by treating it as a 'share price' or whatever it's called
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14:15:54 <AltiusBimm> what does the gncbot do?
14:16:48 <jsled> She does: a/ channel logging, b/ message delivery, c/ chanops maintenance
14:17:01 <jsled> gncbot: tell AltiusBimm hello!
14:17:01 <gncbot> jsled: The operation succeeded.
14:19:07 <AltiusBimm> very nice
14:19:08 <gncbot> AltiusBimm: Sent 2 minutes ago: <jsled> hello!
14:20:06 <AltiusBimm> jsled: your pronoun use reminds me of BottenAnna ^^
14:28:09 <jsled> :)
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15:07:08 <cstim> warlord-afk: http://pastebin.ca/686043
15:07:33 <cstim> On gnucash-de someone pointed out this error message to be difficult to understand.
15:13:24 <cstim> (that patch was missing a closing quotation mark)
15:13:32 <cstim> warlord-afk: should I just go ahead and commit?
15:14:15 <jsled> yes
15:14:17 <jsled> :)
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15:22:19 <pecisk> Hi people, opening GnuCash file, I get error about parsing
15:22:27 <pecisk> what I shall do?
15:23:16 <jsled> What's the file path?
15:23:50 <jsled> what version of gnucash?
15:23:53 <pecisk> it's /home/pecisk/Desktop/Naudas
15:23:58 <jsled> where'd you get the datafile?
15:24:00 <pecisk> 2.0.2
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15:24:10 <pecisk> I got datafile from WIndows
15:24:16 <pecisk> version lastest
15:24:23 <pecisk> but I already have opened it
15:24:23 <jsled> Ah. So it's a 2.2 datafile.
15:24:27 <pecisk> and worked with it
15:24:33 <jsled> Are you using Scheduled Transactions?
15:24:37 <pecisk> nope
15:24:46 <pecisk> that was first what I checked :)
15:25:25 <jsled> <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Something_bad_happened.3B_how_can_I_help_debug.3F> ... what's printed to the terminal whne you reproduce?
15:26:06 <pecisk> eine sec
15:29:15 <pecisk> jsled: got something like this
15:29:16 <pecisk> http://pastebin.ca/686074
15:29:58 <jsled> hmm. I wonder if from 2.0.2 -> 2.0.5 there was something that made the account group removal possible.
15:30:13 <jsled> pecisk: I'm guessing your linux distro is debian or ubuntu?
15:30:18 <pecisk> Ubuntu
15:30:25 <jsled> Any chance you can upgrade to 2.0.5 ... maybe via backports?
15:30:30 <pecisk> hmmm
15:32:05 <jsled> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=gnucash
15:35:35 <cstim> BTW we made it on the cover of a German Linux Magazine: http://www.linux-magazin.de
15:35:42 <cstim> watch the cover: http://linux-magazin.de/var/linux_magazin/storage/images/media/linux_magazin/ausgabe/titelbilder/2007/title_2007_10/121930-1-ger-DE/title_2007_10_medium.jpg
15:35:50 <cstim> right under the word "Magazin"
15:36:22 <pecisk> nice :)
15:36:29 <jsled> nice.
15:36:30 <pecisk> yes, there are backports upgrade
15:36:31 <pecisk> I will try
15:37:14 <jsled> pecisk: the thing I'm hoping will happen with 2.0.5 is that you'll be able to open the datafile, but there will be a "ROOT" account interjected at the top of the account tree.
15:37:44 <jsled> 2.2.x inserts that account, but knows how to elide it at runtime; 2.0.x doesn't know quite what it means, but should still work.
15:47:27 <pecisk> heck, it has only 2.0.2-3 version
15:48:13 <pecisk> no, I was wrong ;)
15:49:09 <pecisk> hmmmm, with 2.0.5 the same error
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17:07:57 <warlord> jsled: yes, you need to update from 2.0.2 -> 2.0.5 to read 2.2 files.
17:07:57 <gncbot> warlord: Sent 4 days, 18 hours, and 8 minutes ago: <blahdeblah> A while back you told me: If all you do is take a posted/paid invoice, unpost it, and repost it (even with minor changes) then it should remain paid. But that's NOT necessarily the case if you have additional payments or additional unpaid invoices for that customer Is there a reliable way to edit posted invoices and keep the paid status? e.g. Could i unpost all of the invoices after the one i'm editing, unpost & post t
17:08:01 <warlord> It's a known issue.
17:08:17 <warlord> @tell cstim go ahead and commit; although that does break the 'string freeze'
17:08:17 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
17:08:18 <jsled> warlord: except it didn't work for him
17:08:30 <warlord> jsled: 2.0.5 didn't work? i disbelieve.
17:09:16 <warlord> @tell blahdeblah there may be a bug in there.. There's clearly SOME set of actions that reliably gets you into a broken state. But i can't figure it out in my "NORMAL" usage.
17:09:16 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
17:09:56 <warlord> @tell blahdeblah the workaround once you get into that state is to delete all the payment transactions and intra-A/R txns (Automatic Payment Forwards) and then repost all your payments.
17:09:56 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
17:10:16 <warlord> @tell blahdeblah ... and repost them in chronological order as per your invoices.
17:10:16 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
17:10:27 * warlord is off again.. Important company over
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17:10:37 <jsled> warlord-afk: take care
17:12:07 <pecisk> warlord-afk: after upgrade to 2.0.5 it still cries about parsing error
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18:52:40 <warlord> pecisk: what's the exact parsing error? Did you save your data file under ~/.gnucash/books ? Do you have SXes? I've not heard of ANY parsing errors except for those issues.
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18:53:09 <jsled> The data file is not under ~/.gnucash/books/, and he's not using SXes.
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19:16:47 <pecisk> warlord-afk: jsled is right about those two questions, and gnucash.trace under /tmp is this http://pastebin.ca/686074
19:17:07 <pecisk> I even compiled now 2.2.1 for Feisty and still get parsing error
19:25:06 <jsled> hmmm. It seems like your datafile is broken. Any chance you'd be willing to share it?
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