2007-09-04 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:14:51 <jiD> hi guys
01:29:06 <jiD> i need help
01:29:08 <jiD> =x
01:44:09 <foo> ok ... so ... ask your question
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01:51:36 <jiD> how do i install gnucash
01:51:43 <jiD> i downloaded 3 different files but i have no idea what to do
01:51:43 <jiD> <.<
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03:18:20 <foo> Hm, does 2.2.1 not keep stylesheets when printing or something
03:18:22 <foo> ?
03:18:24 <foo> Mine seem to have disappeared
03:46:48 <foo> $ gnucash
03:46:48 <foo> Backtrace:
03:46:48 <foo> In unknown file: ?: 0* gnc:id-book
03:46:48 <foo> <unnamed port>: In expression gnc:id-book:
03:46:48 <foo> <unnamed port>: Unbound variable: gnc:id-book
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03:46:54 <foo> gnucash crashed... hmm.
03:46:57 * foo tries again
03:49:47 <foo> bleh, I guess 2.2.1 isn't stable? Hmph, maybe a little bug. It looks like whenever I try to click on OK when trying to create a new invoice it does this. warlord-afk - any ideas?
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03:50:13 * foo will try to catch you guys tomorrow
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03:50:23 <Jaran> ?
03:50:33 <foo> Jaran: Are you a dev by any chance?
03:50:37 <Jaran> it is tomorrow!
03:50:41 <Jaran> heh, nope sorry
03:50:42 <foo> :P
03:51:06 <Jaran> but maybe if you ask now and check the logs later one of the devs will have answered
03:51:20 <foo> Yup, did :) before you woke up, or joined
03:51:29 <Jaran> \o/
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06:32:03 <Rolf> @seen andi5
06:32:03 <gncbot> Rolf: andi5 was last seen in #gnucash 2 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <andi5> you are welcome
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06:51:24 <Rolf> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/16497#file0
06:51:34 <Rolf> Trac doesn't know how to deal with UTF-8?
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08:53:57 <Milbo> Rolf?
08:54:39 <Milbo> it is you Rolf?
08:54:41 <Milbo> That would be funny
09:04:22 <Milbo> Hmm tjanssen, seems to be a swedish people here, so it could be the Rolf I know, because he is swedish
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09:47:15 <chris> foo: Are you still having that crash related to gnc:id-book?
09:47:47 <foo> chris: I stopped trying because it crashed 3 times in a row, weird
09:48:14 <jsled> Rolf: hey ... I'm not sure that you need to file bugs for all these SKR04 issues, if you're just going to turn around and fix them.
09:48:19 <chris> foo: because, that string is not in any recent version of GnuCash, so, you probably have old files hanging around.
09:48:40 <Rolf> jsled: It is my todo-list, so to speak
09:48:41 <Milbo> I am here because I have a crash problem too
09:48:55 <Rolf> write it down and forget about it until I have time to really fix it
09:49:03 <jsled> Rolf: ah. heh.
09:49:18 <foo> chris: old like 2.0.1 old?
09:49:26 <Rolf> jsled: Good to see the devs in the US waking up
09:49:30 <Rolf> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/16497#file0
09:49:32 <jsled> heh.
09:49:33 <Rolf> Trac doesn't know how to deal with UTF-8?
09:49:43 <chris> foo: yeah, that would do it.
09:50:01 <jsled> yeah, I was looking at that. I'm not quite sure where the problem lies, there. I'm glad to see the file get converted over to UTF-8, though.
09:51:12 <jsled> hmm. Trac's default_charset config is iso-8859-15. :/
09:51:52 <chris> 15?
09:51:59 <jsled> indeed.
09:52:41 <foo> hmm, ok. I'll apt-get remove that. I believe that's how I installed it. thanks
09:53:41 <jsled> Well, nothing really obvious with trac. But I'll have to look at it later.
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10:01:35 <Rolf> jsled: Do you have an idea about the UTF-8 thing?
10:02:12 <jsled> Rolf: not really, but I only spent 2 minutes looking at it. I don't have time to investigate further atm.
10:02:19 <Rolf> OK
10:10:57 <Rolf> jsled: from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=54719&action=view
10:11:02 <Rolf> - <act:id type="guid">4024c12237a11069344818d19a181dc9</act:id>
10:11:02 <Rolf> + <act:id type="new">4024c12237a11069344818d19a181dc9</act:id>
10:11:19 <Rolf> Is it better to use "new" instead of "guid" for account charts?
10:11:59 <jsled> Hmm. Where'd the trailing '>'s go?
10:12:10 <jsled> What's the bug#?
10:12:52 <jsled> And, to your question, I think it probably is, if my understanding of id="new" is correct (that it will create a new GUID for the account and fixup all references to it)
10:18:57 <Rolf> sorry, bug number is bug 321405
10:19:13 <Rolf> Thus, new would be safer than guid, right?
10:19:19 <Rolf> I'll replace it, then.
10:19:57 <jsled> If "new" works.
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10:31:25 <Rolf> It looks like it is working
10:31:56 <Rolf> Although it seems like I introduced some problem in r16503
10:35:06 <Rolf> r16502 still works, but r16503 produces http://rafb.net/p/PVToXJ59.html
10:35:15 <Rolf> jsled: Does that mean anything to you?
10:36:52 <jsled> not in particular, no.
10:37:06 <jsled> I mean. I understand the root error; (cdr #f) is invalid.
10:37:23 <jsled> Er, the leaf error.
10:37:30 <jsled> I'd need to trace up from there to find the root error.
10:38:22 <jsled> But, given that 16503 is a bunch of tax-related changes ...
10:38:41 <jsled> Should there be a <slot:key>tax-DE</slot:key> section on those tax-related items.
10:38:47 <jsled> Or maybe should tax-US -> tax-DE?
10:39:03 <Rolf> I think tax-US is the way it is implemented now.
10:39:13 <Rolf> Although I agree that is not right
10:39:36 <Rolf> Adding one or two of the changes from r16503 seems to work
10:40:17 <Rolf> Maybe there are too many relations for the code as it is implemented.
10:40:24 <jsled> I could understand if the account claims it's tax-related (though using integer = 1 as "true" rather than a boolean slot, apparently), then the txf-de_DE.scm might look for a tax-DE list-slot, fail to find it (getting #f back), then hand it to `cdr`, thus bombing. :/
10:40:28 <Rolf> Or maybe one of the changes from r16503 is faulty.
10:40:53 <jsled> But I'm not sure ... I'd need to trace the code to figure it out.
10:41:00 <jsled> I don't know the txf stuff at all.
10:41:12 <Rolf> It seems to work for some entries but not for all.
10:41:28 <Rolf> So, I had hoped you could spot the error quickly.
10:41:32 <Rolf> Thanks for looking at it.
10:41:46 <Rolf> Let's hope Christian comes around.
10:42:00 <Milbo> yepp
10:42:18 <Milbo> There is a special german invoice.scm
10:42:46 <jsled> there is?
10:42:48 <Milbo> Or better there was a special german invoice.scm,.. now it seems to be broken,.. I want to find out what happened
10:42:56 <Rolf> Milbo: this is not about invoices.
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10:43:26 <Milbo> I was talking about Christian,.. or the reason I am waiting here
10:43:35 <Milbo> I hope he can help me with it
10:43:55 <Rolf> I see.
10:44:16 <Rolf> What is broken?
10:44:21 <Rolf> And what is the file name?
10:45:50 <Milbo> there exist a download for the invoice.scm,... for bills. It should add the "taxnumber", I dont know the exact english word.
10:48:47 <Milbo> The files are here http://ae-go.de/gnucash_pack_de.tar.gz and the view looks then like this http://ae-go.de/rechnung.pdf but if I change the files. the gnucash just crashes if I try to make a printable bill. BTW I use WinXP. But I used Linux a long time ago ;-)
10:50:49 <jsled> what's gnucash.mo, there?
10:51:03 <Milbo> some language thing
10:51:33 <jsled> right. I'm wondering if it's translations that should be merged with the distributed translation file.
10:55:00 <Milbo> yepp
10:55:23 <Milbo> compiled by the wrapper if I understanded Christians explanations right
10:56:21 <Milbo> compiled on the fly but like "hard coded"
10:56:28 <Milbo> some trick
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14:22:43 <johng> Struggling to get GC installed on Win2K, basic install worked OK with earlier version 214 I think, but had problems. Later versions I've had problems with the install.
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15:54:38 <ron_> I remember a time when reports used to be linked to other reports - if I had a pie chart, I could click on a slice of the pie to get another report that showed detail about that slice. It seems that my latest version of gnucash (whatever version debian stable has now) doesn't do that. Where'd it go? Is there some switch I gotta flip to turn this functionality back on? Or is it broken and disabled now for some reason?
15:55:14 <jsled> it's a regression in the switch from guppi to GOG.
15:55:26 <jsled> (from 1.8 to 2.0)
15:55:45 <ron_> oh.
15:56:04 <ron_> so y'all switched the tool you use to draw the reports, and now I can't click anything.
15:56:14 <jsled> yes.
15:56:15 <ron_> that was a really cool feature
15:56:20 <ron_> any plans to reimplement it?
15:56:33 <jsled> not active.
15:56:59 <jsled> We know people want it. More recent versions of libgoffice might even make it easier/directly support it.
15:57:15 <jsled> But I've not heard anyone say that they're working on it.
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15:57:31 <ron_> what';s holding it back? not enough coders or not enough support in the libaries, or something else?
15:57:55 <jsled> we generally don't have much momentum, but lacking the feature in goffice is a problem, yes.
15:59:59 <ron_> huh. that's disappointing - I hope gnucash isn't dying. I've used it for years and I've always hoped it would turn into a complete, easy to use package.
16:00:32 <jsled> I don't think it's dying, but it's been at the same low level of momentum for many moons, now.
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16:00:46 <jsled> Actually, the last 6 months have been better, and the 6 months before that were better.
16:00:52 <jsled> Er...
16:01:02 <jsled> The last 6 months have been better, and better than the 6 months before that.
16:01:10 <ron_> ok
16:01:21 <ron_> then I won't start looking for a new finance package.
16:02:20 <pecisk> hi people, anyone have encoured an error in GnuCash in Windows?
16:02:27 <jsled> pecisk: yes.
16:02:41 <pecisk> I got into it yesterday
16:02:47 <jsled> pecisk: <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Known_issues> is a good place to start.
16:03:06 <pecisk> cool
16:04:11 <pecisk> yeah, top issue
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16:18:40 <foo> chris: still around? I don't have any older version of gnucash... dpkg -l |grep -i gnucash didn't show any, at least
16:18:43 <foo> Backtrace:
16:18:44 <foo> Still crashing with that
16:18:47 <foo> In unknown file: ?: 0* gnc:id-book
16:18:49 <foo> <unnamed port>: In expression gnc:id-book:
16:18:52 <foo> <unnamed port>: Unbound variable: gnc:id-book
16:24:34 <foo> chris: Where would the old files be?
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17:51:34 <chris> foo: check one thing for me: `grep -sR gnc:id-book ~/.gnucash`
17:52:32 <chris> foo: If that finds nothing, then you really have an old gnucash installation hanging around somewhere.
17:52:34 <andi5> hi... quick poll: what do you think about a 2.0.6 release to get pending changes out and then sort of stop supporting 2.0.x?
17:53:02 <chris> andi5: I think it's a good idea.
17:53:36 <chris> andi5: but, I do recall that there's at least one unpublished regression sitting in the branch.
17:53:51 <andi5> what is it?
17:53:59 <chris> andi5: So, as long as the fix for that also gets backported...
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17:56:28 * andi5 consults his calendar... looks like the weekend sep 15/16 would be a feasible date for me ; i will contact the mailing list beforehand, of course
17:58:10 <chris> andi5: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2007-July/021079.html
17:59:06 <andi5> chris: thanks! i will take a second look at all trunk commits, maybe there are others as well
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19:36:56 <foo> chris: that returns nothing
19:48:11 <foo> chris: I'm grepping for it elseware
19:48:26 <foo> chris: Ah, nice, I didn't know about -s
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20:07:19 <foo> warlord: heya
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20:10:09 <chris> foo: you said you're running 2.2.x, right?
20:10:40 <foo> chris: Correct, I built 2.2.1. I did do apt-get build-dep gnucash in ubuntu dapper
20:10:48 <foo> to build the deps
20:12:19 <chris> foo: just making sure.
20:12:33 <foo> chris: np :) At this point I think we need to make sure of anything weird.
20:12:52 <foo> chris: I've grep'd /etc/ /usr/ and where I have all my gnucash files for gnu:book-id ... no luck
20:13:10 <jsled> chris: do you recall which file contains the string?
20:13:12 <chris> I hope you mean "gnc:book-id"
20:13:28 <foo> chris: hm, yeah - that's what I meant. /me blames memory
20:13:38 <jsled> (/me is thinking `locate` ... assuming the db is maintained)
20:14:32 <chris> well, I have no idea what the filename would be. That symbol used to be in dozens of files.
20:14:35 <foo> You want me to look for the file, then? And not the string that contains that file
20:14:41 <foo> hmph
20:14:50 <foo> chris: I did overwrite over my last gnucash install ... is that my problem?
20:15:09 <foo> chris: I could probably go into the 2.0.5 source, make uninstall, and then make install on the 2.2.1 version ...
20:15:12 <foo> should I try that?
20:15:15 <chris> foo: If you didn't delete all the existing files, it could be.
20:15:52 <chris> where did you install gnucash?
20:16:05 <foo> chris: Hm, usually I'm told with source I can just overwrite... but I can try that, unless you think otherwis.
20:16:15 <foo> chris: ~/.gnucash - IIRC
20:16:24 <foo> If I open gnucash, will it tell me somewhere?
20:16:34 <jsled> you installed into ~/.gnucash/ ?
20:16:59 <chris> `whereis gnucash`
20:17:11 <jsled> like `./configure --prefix /home/foo/.gnucash/ [...]`?
20:17:21 <chris> foo: no, it won't tell you.
20:17:25 <foo> jsled: I just did ./configure
20:17:31 <foo> gnucash: /usr/local/bin/gnucash /usr/local/etc/gnucash /usr/local/lib/gnucas
20:17:54 <chris> ok, by default, ./configure installs into /usr/local
20:17:57 * foo does the grep in /usr/local
20:19:18 <foo> ./share/gnucash/guile-modules/g-wrapped/gw-engine-spec.scm:(gw:wrap-value ws 'gn
20:19:21 <foo> c:id-book '<gnc:id-type> "GNC_ID_BOOK")
20:19:22 * foo wonders if that it's
20:19:39 <foo> Ok, should I just uninstall 2.0.5 ?
20:19:42 <foo> I think that'll clear up this problem
20:20:54 <jsled> maybe.
20:21:42 <jsled> 1/ why are you trying to build from source. 2a/ you might find it easier to `./configure --prefix /opt/gnucash-{version}/` or something so you can cleanly remove old versions, 2b/ or maybe take a look at gnu stow.
20:22:21 <foo> 1) ubuntu dapper has an older version of gnucash, I like the latest.
20:22:24 <foo> 2) Hm, good idea.
20:22:42 <chris> foo: that's very likely the problem.
20:22:54 <foo> chris: 1) ?
20:23:16 <jsled> the other option is to build the package yourself ... then you can remove it via the package manager, the deps are tracked, &c...
20:23:23 <jsled> s/the other/an other/
20:23:50 <foo> Hm, I wouldn't mind to do it myself - but I'm unsure how to do that, and kind of pressed for time. Behind for last months book keeping.
20:23:56 <foo> Hm, but, I'll give that a shot
20:24:02 <foo> after book keeping
20:24:53 <foo> jsled: FYI, I installed 2.0.5 via source... I don't know how relevant ubuntu having an older version is, other than it having the deps for those
20:25:50 <jsled> hmm. do you have 2.0.2 (or whatever) *also* installed via ubunut?
20:26:36 <foo> jsled: nope. dpkg -l |grep gnucash returns nothing
20:26:47 <jsled> oh, right. as you said ealier.
20:27:56 <foo> np. Ok, I did a make uninstall in 2.0.5 source dir, then a make install in 2.2.1 directory... and now it's working. I've made an invoice. Before it would crash (did 4 times) when I would click Ok to make an invoice
20:28:01 <foo> Thanks jsled and chris
20:32:46 <chris> foo: you're welcome.
20:34:03 <jsled> so, are you loving emacs-22, yet? :)
20:34:21 <chris> jsled: me?
20:34:25 <jsled> yea.
20:35:14 <chris> I'm a bit ambivalent.
20:35:30 <chris> On the one hand, I like the better integration with GTK.
20:35:57 <chris> but, on the other hand, I did crash it once already, and it feels a bit slower.
20:36:15 <chris> Actually, I *know* it's slower.
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20:36:55 <foo> Hm, FYI - if I had any two cents to add to the project, it'd be to add default printing options. Like, clicking options when printing... I change them to the same thing every time
20:36:59 <chris> at least, the menus are slower to open/respond. It's not a huge deal, because I don't use them much.
20:38:03 <foo> Any possible future thoughts of implementing a "set options to default" type of deal or something?
20:38:08 <jsled> ah. I turn all the chrome off.... (menu-bar-mode nil) (tool-bar-mode nil ...) (scroll-bar-mode nil) ;)
20:38:19 <chris> Clicking on any menu at all takes ~.5 sec to open.
20:38:45 <chris> jsled: ah, well, you probably wounldn't notice. :)
20:39:05 <chris> the scroll bar is actuall much nicer though.
20:39:59 <chris> the emacs 21 scroll bar was semi-random in appearance. This standard GTK scrollbar is at least consistent.
20:40:12 <jsled> foo: I think we'd generally like to improve things, yes; I'm pretty sure no one is actively working on that, though. You might want to file an RFE in bugzilla.
20:43:12 <jsled> chris: did you read through NEWS ?
20:43:52 <chris> no. I should.
20:44:08 <jsled> It takes a while, but there's a bunch of goodness in there.
20:44:10 <foo> jsled: aha, thanks.
20:45:07 <jsled> Like "C-x C-f RET" is no longer a special case. :(
21:16:37 <foo> Hm, I think I'm noticing a bug that I didn't see in version 2.0.5.
21:17:53 <foo> I am looking at an invoice, I click post, change the date back 4 days, then click on OK, and it says: "No Account selected. Please try again." ... but "Assets:Accounts Receivable" is selected. If I just click on "Assets:Accounts Receivable" ... click OK .. .it works ... that's weird.
21:17:58 <foo> Anyone else see that?
21:19:31 <jsled> Yeah, I think I recall seeing that.
21:20:04 <foo> Cool, ok.
21:20:31 <jsled> I can't recall if there's a bug filed for that.
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21:21:25 <foo> jsled: Want me to check? Where do I check at?
21:22:17 <pithen> Hey all, this isn't directly related to GNUcash, but does anybody have advice on how to separate Joint vs. personal income/expenses?
21:23:47 <jsled> foo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=GnuCash
21:24:03 <pithen> I was thinking to create two top level folders Joint and Personal, and create the whole hierarchy in each of those folders
21:24:34 <jsled> except the account parents is type-restricted, so I don't think that's possible.
21:24:44 <jsled> s/parents/parenting/
21:25:48 <jsled> pithen: it's tricky. My finacee and I don't have a joint account, but we keep track of shared expenses.
21:25:50 <pithen> true.. So maybe I should do Income:[Personal|Joint], Expenses:[Personal|Joint], etc.
21:27:00 <jsled> Shared Expenses are generally a split between the asset/liability account of relevance, the expense account, and Assets:Money Owed to Me:<Partner>
21:29:05 <pithen> Hmm...are you basically restating the above plus an accounts receivable account?
21:29:58 <jsled> Well, we don't have the Income:Joint or even Expenses:Joint accounts. The Assets:Money Owed to Me:<...> is basically an A/R account, I guess.
21:31:35 <pithen> are you just tracking your stake in the shared expenses then?
21:35:09 <jsled> unfortunately, yes. That part isn't working very well.
21:37:03 <pithen> jsled, yeah, well as you said it's pretty tricky. We do have joint checking/savings acts that we deposit to equally each pay period, which makes things easier in some ways and more difficult in others
21:39:51 <foo> jsled: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443971 - I believe this is it
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22:06:03 <jsled> foo: sounds like.
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22:41:58 <jsled> a w e s o m e [[[
22:42:00 <jsled> gtk_list_store_set
22:42:00 <jsled> (store, &iter,
22:42:00 <jsled> CONTENTS_COL_NAME, SCM_STRING_CHARS(scm_call_1(report_menu_name,
22:42:00 <jsled> this_report)),
22:42:00 <jsled> CONTENTS_COL_ROW, i,
22:42:01 <jsled> CONTENTS_COL_REPORT_COLS, scm_num2int(SCM_CADR(SCM_CAR(contents)),
22:42:03 <jsled> SCM_ARG1, __FUNCTION__),
22:42:06 <jsled> CONTENTS_COL_REPORT_ROWS, scm_num2int(SCM_CADDR(SCM_CAR(contents)),
22:42:07 <jsled> SCM_ARG1, __FUNCTION__),
22:42:09 <jsled> -1);
22:42:12 <jsled> ]]] - dialog-column-view.c
22:49:09 <jsled> huh. There's support for "advanced" option pages in dialog-option.c ... that's just not used anywhere.
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