2007-08-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:03:52 <Krad> hello
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08:48:39 <Rolf> Hello
08:48:49 <Rolf> I wonder if http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433428#c15 is technically possible.
08:49:08 <Rolf> IOW, grant rw access not to the whole SVN repo but to only selected file(s)
08:49:53 <warlord> On what branch?
08:51:05 <Rolf> Just on one file
08:51:12 <Rolf> A German account chart
08:51:15 <Rolf> SKR04
08:51:18 <warlord> Rolf: one file ON WHAT BRANCH?
08:51:34 <warlord> I dont know how well the regex's work.
08:51:36 <Rolf> How about trunk ;-)
08:52:05 <Rolf> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/accounts/de_DE/acctchrt_skr04.gnucash-xea
08:53:04 <Rolf> Or maybe a newly created acctchrt_skr04-05.gnucash-xea
08:53:16 <Rolf> This chart might change a bit from year to year
08:53:33 <Rolf> Above one would be for 2005, thus skr04-05
08:53:35 <warlord> Why can't said person just file a bug report every year?
08:53:54 <Rolf> Because there are lots of changes to be done right now
08:54:07 <Rolf> Because this is shitty work noone wants to do
08:54:20 <Rolf> Because you have half-assed implementations all over the place
08:54:24 <Rolf> But no cooperation
08:54:27 <Rolf> ...yet!
08:54:39 <Rolf> Frank and I would be willing to cooperate, I guess
08:54:53 <Rolf> This accounts chart is quite important for German business users.
08:55:24 <warlord> My issue is that granting access to trunk isn't necessarily the best thing in the long run. Because once we branch 2.2, you'll not be updating the 'release' anymore.
08:55:30 <Rolf> My question was (not yet) about whether or not access would be granted but whether it was technically feasible to rw restrict access to just one file.
08:55:46 <Rolf> warlord: I am fine with any branch, really.
08:55:59 <Rolf> It could even be outside of gnucash itself.
08:56:07 <warlord> But I dont know if I can say 'gnucash/*/accounts/de_DE/acctchrt_skr*.gnucash-xea
08:56:33 <warlord> You would also need access to the makefile if you need to add new files.
08:56:57 <Rolf> Well, adding new files is a once-a-year-thing
08:57:17 <Rolf> It would just be nice to have a platform to share the work among those working on it
08:57:37 <Rolf> Sync'ing back to gnucash trunk could be done from time to time
08:57:47 <Rolf> How about a separate branch, then?
08:58:01 <Rolf> And branch only the German account charts?
08:58:16 <Rolf> That is what Frank and I would be interested in working on.
08:59:02 <warlord> I could certainly just give you access to gnucash/trunk/accounts/de_DE
08:59:20 <chris> warlord: pm?
08:59:25 <warlord> and gnucash/branches/2.2/accounts/de_DE -- once we branch
08:59:28 <warlord> chris: of course
08:59:52 <warlord> So, it IS technically feasible... But there are other, political aspects about it that would need to be overcome.
08:59:53 <Rolf> warlord: cool
09:00:05 <Rolf> what are the next steps?
09:01:57 <warlord> Umm... See, that's a very good question.
09:02:10 <warlord> Send mail to gnucash-devel proposing what you want to do?
09:02:16 <Rolf> OK
09:07:39 <jsled> branch outside gnucash itself =? bugzilla ;)
09:27:18 <warlord> jsled: hehehe
09:27:27 <warlord> okay, I gotta run to go help my cousin. BBL.
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09:58:43 <Krad> hello
09:58:53 <jsled> hello
09:59:09 <Krad> I'm looking for some help
09:59:57 <Krad> to do with gnu cash and importing account information.
10:01:25 <jsled> just, uh, go ahead and ask. No one can answer if we don't know the question.
10:01:34 <Krad> ok
10:02:33 <Krad> What happen is I down load a exel spread sheet from the bank with the month stament and import it to gnu cash.
10:02:38 <Krad> no problem with that
10:02:42 <Krad> next
10:02:52 <jsled> How do you import an excel spreadsheet?
10:02:54 <Krad> I import using the tools in gnu cahs
10:03:10 <jsled> We can't import excel. Are you looking for #gnumeric?
10:03:14 <Krad> gnucash druid
10:03:43 <Krad> that will import exel, csv, ms money or quicken.
10:04:22 <jsled> We don't import ms money or excel; our csv import is only a Summer of Code project at the moment.
10:04:23 <Krad> this works ok i can import my statment in to the software and will show a description of payment and incoming and outgoings.
10:04:52 <jsled> okay.
10:05:02 <Krad> what I'm wanting to get is the software to autolearn discriptions
10:05:05 <Krad> so for example
10:06:10 <Krad> if I download a statment and it contans WM Morrison and i tell the software its a food expens. Next time I down load a new stament it knows the description WM Morrison is food
10:06:29 <jsled> The QIF and OFX importers will do that, in different ways.
10:06:41 <jsled> But we need to ascertain how and what you're actually importing.
10:06:48 <jsled> What menu item are you using to invoke the import?
10:06:48 <Krad> ok
10:07:31 <Krad> err I using the tool buit in to gnu cash but I'm not a t home at the moment so can't pull up how i do it
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10:11:50 <jsled> Krad: which of <http://asynchronous.org/tmp/import-options.png> do you select?
10:15:05 <Krad> I use the ofx as I matchs to the download I can get from the bank
10:16:31 <jsled> Ah! So you're using the OFX importer.
10:16:38 <Krad> The bank lets me download these file ext Ms Money, CSV, EXCEL, Quicken. I have tried each one. I have then put the information from each statment in to the correct type
10:16:39 <Krad> yes
10:17:00 <jsled> So, in Edit > Preferences > Online Banking, in the Generic Importer section, is "Use bayesian matching" on or off?
10:18:29 <Krad> no sure but is that where you can controll the matching of descriptions?
10:18:42 <jsled> Oh, right, you're not in front of it.
10:18:49 <Krad> I'm not at home at the moment
10:19:06 <jsled> You can control it in as much as it's either on or off.
10:20:22 <Krad> right will have to take a look tonight
10:20:41 <jsled> Krad: you want "bayesian matching" to be *on*.
10:20:43 <Krad> and try agian other than that little problem the software is great
10:21:02 <Krad> right and how does it work
10:21:48 <jsled> Krad: through Bayes' algorithm. ;) It's a probabilistic matching of the transaction description and amounts, AIUI.
10:27:50 <Krad> right will have to look that up I no programmer just a work in telecomms and it
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11:21:26 <chan> jsled, warlord-af: hello, if you remember me from 2 days ago, the guy having issue with aqofxconnect
11:21:48 <chan> I am still having problem
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11:23:43 <Krad> what is aqofxconnect?
11:24:07 <chan> I uninstall all previously installed gnucash 2.2.1 from my ubuntu 7.04 and start building aqbanking from ubuntu source with the instruction on http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian
11:25:00 <chan> oh aqofxconnect is the bankend on aqbanking that gnucash use to connect to bank
11:26:30 <chan> I was able to build everything except for what I need 'libaqbanking-ofx0'
11:26:39 <chan> is anyone can help?
11:29:04 <Krad> I haven't linked GNU cash to the bank yet not sure how safe the information would be.
11:35:37 <chan> it should be via ssl
11:37:56 <chan> anyway could anyone please help? I followed the instruction on that site jsled pointed me to, but gets error while installing the libaqbanking-ofx0 deb package
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11:41:22 <chan> sorry, lost my wifi for a moment
11:44:01 <chan> this is the error I am getting, if anyone could help
11:44:03 <chan> sudo dpkg --install libaqbanking-ofx0_*.deb
11:44:04 <chan> (Reading database ... 144643 files and directories currently installed.)
11:44:04 <chan> Unpacking libaqbanking-ofx0 (from libaqbanking-ofx0_2.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
11:44:04 <chan> dpkg: error processing libaqbanking-ofx0_2.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
11:44:04 <chan> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libaqofxconnect.so', which is also in package libaqbanking16-dev
11:44:04 <chan> Errors were encountered while processing:
11:44:06 <chan> libaqbanking-ofx0_2.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
11:44:48 <chan> sorry, I meant, http://pastebin.ca/676975
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11:55:52 <chan> hi anyone could help me on building and installing aqbanking with ofx?
11:56:36 <chan> I am having problem installing libaqbanking-ofx0
11:56:46 <chan> thanks in advanced
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12:15:02 <chan> l
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12:36:58 <chan> hello, had anyone got aqofxconnect running on ubuntu 7.04 or debian?
12:37:20 <chan> with gnucash 2.2.1
12:39:17 <chan> ls
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13:59:58 <warlord> chan: looks like you have two versions of aqbanking installed.
14:00:10 <warlord> .. and they are interacting poorly.
14:01:14 <chan> hi
14:01:28 <chan> warlord: nice to hear from you
14:01:34 <chan> are you still there?
14:01:42 <chan> user
14:06:57 <chan> warlord: I've gone into apt and removed all my libaqbanking stuff, then I followed the instruction on the site that jsled gave me (only the aqbanking portion)
14:07:26 <jsled> chan: is there a libaqbanking-devel or something?
14:07:48 <jsled> chan: or, "libaqbanking16-dev", as per the previous error.
14:08:01 <chan> yes, there was
14:08:35 <chan> and that was the libaqbanking that the dpkg created from the ubuntu source
14:09:38 <chan> I installed that because I ran into a dependency error when I was trying to just install the aqbanking-ofx0 package
14:10:27 <chan> anyway, I've tried to uninstall everything 30 minutes ago, see if you guys can help me to start from the beginning
14:10:46 <jsled> chan: Sorry, I'm not familiar with ubuntu. You might want to find a ubuntu-specific support channel.
14:11:03 <warlord> I would suggest you REALLY start at the beginning.. Go install Gentoo or Fedora and then pull in the GnuCash binary and you'll be all set.
14:11:40 <jsled> pfft.
14:11:49 <jsled> heh.
14:12:05 <chan> =]
14:13:04 <chan> anyway, I think I am not going for the 2.2.1 build, my new plan is to just follow the debian instruction including the gnucash installation
14:13:24 <chan> and see what errors I can report and ask you guys for help later
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14:13:37 <chan> if that is ok with you gent
14:17:22 <chan> warlord & jsled: quick question regarding to /opt: I've read part of the doc you send me (will read the whole thing). but is there any quick start pointer you can give in terms of dpkg?
14:17:59 <jsled> chan: If you're using the package manager, then much of the need of /opt is gone.
14:18:18 <jsled> that is: the package manager will keep track of what files are installed where, and make it easy to remove them.
14:18:39 <jsled> /opt/ is best suited to stuff that you compile by hand, and don't want to build using the package manager.
14:18:43 <chan> I see, that means if I generate a .deb, then it doesn't matter where it lives and aptitude will handle it
14:18:52 <jsled> pretty much.
14:18:56 <chan> kool
14:19:15 <jsled> At the same time, it might be trivial to get dpkg (or whatever) to install into /opt. I just don't know debian/'buntu at all.
14:19:51 <chan> I am going to try building the .deb, if no go, then I'll compile from scratch with gnuscash 2.2.1 and aqbanking from the aqbanking official source
14:20:42 <chan> jsled: thanks I think I got the picture with your hints
14:25:33 <chan> brb, probably with more errors =o
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15:52:44 <chan> warlord , jsled: me again and good news, I got no error this time
15:53:13 <chan> anyway, this might be something to share with some others with Debian/Ubuntu
15:55:42 <chan> I downloaded both gnucash 2.0.2 (current on debian repository & libaqbanking from aptitude (instead of gnucash2.2.1 from gnucash)
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15:56:33 <chan> there were no problem turning aqofxconnect on
15:57:42 <chan> I have try compiling gnucash 2.2.1 with latest libaqbanking (non debian official source)
15:58:11 <chan> but I will try it on a test box once I get back to work
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15:59:35 <chan> I think the problem was that there are some conflict between gnucash 2.2.1 and the older aqbanking (from debian)
15:59:54 <warlord> That's POSSIBLE but unlikely.
16:00:11 <warlord> (I dont recall the minimal version)
16:00:39 <chan> cause the pkg manager (apt) didn't know how to configure the libaqbanking-ofx0
16:00:49 <chan> but I dont' know much
16:01:06 <chan> so the only way to find out is wait till I run it on the test box
16:01:49 <chan> at work, using both non-debian source for libaqbanking & gnucash2.2.1
16:02:23 <chan> if that works means the debian aqbank is not good for the official source
16:02:28 <chan> what do you think
16:03:05 <chan> or that sound kinda dumb (the linux newbie point of view
16:03:07 <chan> )
16:03:10 <chan> =]
16:03:35 <warlord> no idea. i dont do debian
16:03:39 <chan> please let me know, I would like to run some test with you guys knowledge
16:04:09 <chan> I am just thinking that might help someone else down the road
16:04:09 <warlord> any tests you run should either go into the wiki.. or get sent to dibian
16:04:10 <chan> hehe
16:04:17 <chan> ok
16:04:32 <chan> awesome, anyway, thank you very much for you guys help
16:04:42 <warlord> welcome
16:04:50 <chan> I learned a lot, more then just making it work
16:04:56 <chan> later
16:09:11 <warlord> later
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22:25:31 <chris> "Unbound variable: slib:features"? slib is starting to become the new g-wrap.
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22:46:23 <warlord> chris: yep
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23:04:00 * chris was feeling left out of the emacs22 club.
23:04:14 * chris is now upgrading to fedora 7.
23:19:48 <warlord> welcome to F7
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