2007-08-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:18:54 <blindjesse> having trouble understanding accounts receivable and its relation to other accounts
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01:39:01 <as7r080y> greetings
01:40:05 <as7r080y> id like to ask a couple questions about this cool program can anyone help out ?
01:54:30 <as7r080y> meh
02:01:21 <foo_> as7r080y: Just ask.
02:01:30 <as7r080y> oh
02:02:07 <foo_> Unspoken laws of irc: Never ask to ask, just ask :)
02:04:08 <as7r080y> well im trying to streamline doing some ebay sales with this little program, but im not sure if its fit for that purpose.. for example... i have a paypal account that all my payments go into from customers, i need to set this up in gnucash and i also want to track customers and their spending, so i would like to enter new customers details and if possible also track products and how they sell
02:06:37 <as7r080y> so for example jim bought 1 vase at $29 this gets recorded and payment was made into my paypal account, i dont no if this can be done but i would also like to give the program a cost price on a product and also a sell price.. that would be awesom then i can track profit
02:15:19 <as7r080y> i was never good at accounting :)
02:17:24 <as7r080y> come on foo your probably a master at this :) heeeeelp
02:22:07 <foo_> Hmmm
02:22:49 <foo_> ok, I don't know if "tracking products and how they sell" is necessary part of accounting.
02:23:57 <as7r080y> yeah i agree tracking products is not necessary
02:24:14 <as7r080y> just as long as i can track my sales and make reports is enough
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03:15:54 <R0lf> ~seen cstim
03:16:03 <R0lf> !seen cstim
03:16:11 <R0lf> no bots here?
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04:24:00 <Jaran|zZzZzZzz> 2.2.1 \o/
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04:39:13 <as7r080y> does anyone know if you can input a cost price and a sale price of a product ?
04:45:31 <Jaran> haven't seen that option
04:59:52 <as7r080y> k thanks
05:00:33 <as7r080y> anyone here from australia ?
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08:01:22 <warlord> as7r080y: GnuCash doesn't track inventory.
08:01:45 <warlord> R0lf: yes, there is a bot. See:
08:01:47 <warlord> @seen cstim
08:01:47 <gncbot> warlord: cstim was last seen in #gnucash 3 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <cstim> see ya
08:02:19 <R0lf> oh, nice
08:02:21 <R0lf> Thanks
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10:46:53 <as7r080y> hi guys ive setup my accounts but the help files dont really explain the business customer and vendor sections anyone got a link for a tutorial or help file for that ???
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10:48:22 <warlord> www.gnucash.org
10:48:30 <warlord> follow the links tot the documentation
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11:36:00 <as7r080y> k getting further, invoicing seems to be working ok now... i have a question i have a income: sales account, assets: receivable account, assets: paypal account....... ive noticed that when i do an invoice and make it a Income: sales, then post it and choose Assets: accounts receivable from the drop down box it works ok, but my paypal account is not credited with the transaction and thats where the money is located, does that mean i simpl
11:37:58 <warlord> Invoice for the "Order", then "Process Payment" for the payment.
11:38:23 <warlord> as7r080y: your message ended at "that mean i simpl"
11:38:48 <warlord> Anyways, Process Payment to transfer from A/R -> Paypal and mark the Invoice as paid.
11:38:50 <as7r080y> k here is the rest
11:38:51 <as7r080y> does that mean i simply have to rename my Accounts: Receivable to Accounts: Recievable Paypal ??? thanks
11:39:23 <warlord> No.
11:39:36 <as7r080y> shit ok
11:40:22 <as7r080y> ill delete the transaction and do it your way see what happens
11:42:18 <as7r080y> hmm i have to unpost it first would i delete the transaction or just use the process payment ?
11:42:40 <warlord> Why do you have to unpost the transaction?
11:42:50 <warlord> er, unpost the invoice?
11:42:58 <as7r080y> yeah sorry the invoice
11:43:04 <warlord> Why would you need to unpost the invoice?
11:43:32 <as7r080y> dont know still getting my head around it, ill leave it posted then and process payment
11:43:35 <as7r080y> lol
11:44:14 <as7r080y> is post/unpost just making the invoice editable/uneditable ?
11:44:36 <warlord> It also creates/removes the "invoice txn" in your CoA.
11:46:56 <as7r080y> ok got it..... just read your above comments and this is the missing link the accounts receivable is just a temporary holding place for money OWEING, then once you clear payments you process and move to nominated account right ?
11:49:07 <as7r080y> sweet looks like it worked.. its marked as paid now :)
11:49:57 <as7r080y> thanks for the tips
11:50:46 <warlord> Yep, that's exactly right.
11:51:16 <as7r080y> phew.. took me allday just to figure this part out.. then again i know nothign about accouting
11:52:49 <as7r080y> i read a forum post about using multiple currencies and they said its best to setup seperate currency assets/accounts receivables/income accounts with their own currencies so i did that just incase i get payment in USD as opposed ot AUD
11:53:34 <as7r080y> would be awesom if the program could do currency conversion on the fly
11:53:52 <warlord> you need to make sure that you have the Customer configured to the correct currency before you create the invoice; and then make sure you use the correct currency income, a/r, and Asset acount
11:54:00 <warlord> yeah yeah yeah...
11:54:16 <as7r080y> yeah dont that
11:54:37 <as7r080y> huh i guess its been requested a few times ay
11:55:23 <as7r080y> warlord: since you know so much, in the case that i have to offer a refund how would i go about it ?
11:56:12 <warlord> Gnucash doesn't really do credit memos.. So... Unfortunately... Um.. Go back and modify the last invoice?
11:56:58 <as7r080y> huh ok so you would edit the transaction and set it to $0 or something
11:57:18 <as7r080y> the invoice i meant
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11:57:52 <as7r080y> or you probably could set it as an expense adjustment ?
11:57:57 <warlord> Yea, I'd unpost, edit, and repost the transaction; or add an offsetting line-entry.
11:58:12 <warlord> It's not something that's all that well-supported.
12:03:04 <as7r080y> worlord, one final question and im pretty much done for today :) i have about 10 invoices that i would like to enter for record keeping and customer information but my opening balances already include the total amounts... whats the best way to go about this, would you enter the invoices then somehow adjust or offset the amount with an expense or reconciliation or something to level it out to what is in your bank account or would you take
12:04:36 <warlord> I'd ignore it if the invoices are prior to your starting balances (and the invoices are all paid).
12:04:42 <warlord> You can still enter in the customer information if you care.
12:05:40 <as7r080y> i suppose thats the easy way out but could i use one of the methods i mentioned ???
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12:06:29 <warlord> I wouldn't do that. You could invoice/process-payment and then adjust the opening balances...
12:07:43 <as7r080y> ah k... so add all invoices obviously the balance will be blown out but then change the opening balance to whats actually in the bank
12:09:43 <warlord> see, this is why you should NOT enter anything before your opening balance.
12:11:18 <as7r080y> yeah k
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13:19:28 <as7r080y> thanks derek... got your email lol
13:21:07 <warlord> figured
13:21:14 <as7r080y> :)
13:22:29 <as7r080y> hmm i really wish i could have a unit price and a sale price that way i can see what its cosing me and how much profit im making any ideas if this can be done in a around about way ?
13:25:01 <warlord> Vendor chargebacks.
13:25:13 <warlord> Purchase it one a vendor bill; then sell it on a customer invoice.
13:25:21 <warlord> But there's no report that will show the purchase and sale price.
13:25:23 <as7r080y> good idea
13:25:39 <as7r080y> ill give it a go
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14:16:38 <as7r080y> what is the Default Chargeback Project in New bill used for is it for refunds ?
14:18:51 <warlord> Nope, a chargeback is when you charge a customer for something you bought from a vendor.
14:19:38 <as7r080y> bahhhh thats exactly what i wan to do.. buy something from vendor and sell it on directly to the customer
14:19:43 <as7r080y> is that correct ?
14:21:12 <warlord> Yes.......
14:21:19 <as7r080y> k
14:25:06 <as7r080y> how do i completely delete a bill i created cant get rid of Edit Bill -00002
14:28:02 <warlord> See the FAQ
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18:38:18 <absynth> I've got gnucash from SVN and am trying to run ./autogen.sh, however it complains "GCONF_SCHEMAS_INSTALL does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL" and "automake failed". Can anyone help?
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19:19:21 <warlord> absynth: it means you dont have gconf-devel
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22:01:57 <twunder> ping jsled
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22:21:01 <webromper> cannot install gnucash-2.2.0 guile gives error 1 and error 2, says it requires guile
22:21:31 <webromper> sorry i.e. gnucash says it requires guile
22:22:40 <webromper> Herewith results *****Making all in libguile
22:22:40 <webromper> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/guile-1.6.7/libguile'
22:22:40 <webromper> Generating libpath.h...
22:22:40 <webromper> ./guile-snarf -o load.x load.c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I./.. -I../libguile-ltdl -g -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -fno-strict-aliasing
22:22:40 <webromper> if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I./.. -I../libguile-ltdl -g -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -fno-strict-aliasing -MT guile.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/guile.Tpo" -c -o guile.o guile.c; \
22:22:42 <webromper> then mv -f ".deps/guile.Tpo" ".deps/guile.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/guile.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
22:22:44 <webromper> guile.c: In function ‘main’:
22:22:46 <webromper> guile.c:91: error: array type has incomplete element type
22:22:48 <webromper> guile.c:91: warning: unused variable ‘lt_preloaded_symbols’
22:22:50 <webromper> make[2]: *** [guile.o] Error 1
22:22:52 <webromper> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/guile-1.6.7/libguile'
22:22:54 <webromper> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
22:22:56 <webromper> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/guile-1.6.7'
22:22:58 <webromper> make: *** [all] Error 2
22:23:00 <webromper> [root@localhost guile-1.6.7]# make test
22:23:02 <webromper> make: *** No rule to make target `test'. Stop.
22:29:54 <chris> webromper: first off, use a pastebin. second off, you'd be better off in a #guile channel.
22:30:22 <webromper> ok tks, bye
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22:39:24 <twunder> In dialog-sx-since-last-run.c, does "gtk_tree_view_expand_all(dialog->instance_view);" act on a single SX instance? If so, then if that's only called when it is determined that the SX instance state is not a Reminder, then only non-reminders will have all the rows expanded in the dialog, right?
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22:52:25 <chris> twunder: I'm not familiar with that code, but gtk_tree_view_expand_all() will "expand" all the rows in the view.
22:55:05 <twunder> so to expand a single SX instance, I guess gtk_tree_view_expand_row () would need to be used? (sorry, I know next to nothing about what I'm looking at in the code)
22:57:57 <chris> twunder: sounds right.
22:58:18 <chris> There are pretty good docs for the gtk_tree_view widget
22:59:36 <chris> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.4/gtk/GtkTreeView.html
22:59:40 <twunder> chris: I'm sure... unfortunately, there's a base level of understanding that's assumed in any documentation nd I'm sure it's beyond me
23:00:12 <twunder> I've been looking at: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/GtkTreeView.html#id3171333
23:00:39 <chris> that's fine, even newer.
23:02:17 <twunder> what's a "GtkTreePath" ?
23:06:07 <chris> just a representation of the path to a row.
23:06:48 <chris> something like [0, 2, 1], meaning 2nd child of 3rd child of root.
23:09:35 <twunder> hmmm... that almost makes sense. I just need to figger out how that applies to the dialog :/
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23:39:48 <absynth> warlord: thanks, I'll try again.
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