2007-08-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:58:28 <warlord> Megiddo: I dont think you're running the right report.
00:58:39 <warlord> It sounds like you want an Income Statement, not a Cash Flow.
00:59:10 <warlord> Because in this case you really do have a split transaction between CC, Cash, and Expense, where CC is the amount on your CC; Cash is the amount your friend paid, and Expense is the difference.
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09:02:46 <Remowylliams> Hello everyone. I'm new to using gnucash. I am wondering is there some simple way to email invoices to customers?
09:05:20 <jsled> not from within gnucash. You should be able to export the Invoice as HTML, and mail that.
09:09:22 <Remowylliams> jsled: ah export invoice. thank you.
09:09:52 <Remowylliams> Why is it so hard to start invoices # on a specific number?
09:12:36 <jsled> I don't know. Is it hard?
09:14:20 <Remowylliams> The Tutorial says it is.
09:15:22 <jsled> So it does.
09:16:30 <Remowylliams> Under Accounts Receivable -> Invoices -> Assign Starting Invoice. 'There is no easy way to assign an automatic stating invoice number. GnuCash starts with number 1'
09:16:45 <warlord> Or you can print the invoice as a PDF and mail it.
09:17:01 <jsled> I don't really know what kind of answer you'd like. "An easier way isn't implemented" is kinda obvious, but right.
09:17:21 <Remowylliams> As my small bit of business has been running a while my invoices are at 138
09:17:32 <jsled> Right. That's obvious too. :)
09:17:40 <jsled> I mean, editing the XML isn't that big of a deal.
09:17:49 <warlord> Remowylliams: it's not implemented because I never thought about it. Currently the way to do it is to edit the XML to reset the counter manually.
09:18:10 <Remowylliams> Ah ok. yeah no problem. Sorry I didn't read that far.
09:20:11 <Remowylliams> warlord: I'm working through the information. I very much like gnucash and am glad I can use it on Windows as well as Unix type platforms.
09:20:24 <warlord> There are still lots of annoyances.
09:21:28 <Remowylliams> An accounting system like this is not an easy to engineer thing. You have so many exceptions to deal with and then limitations to maintain proper accounting proceedures. It's far from trivial.
09:21:41 <warlord> This is very true.
09:23:11 <Remowylliams> I've never written a full system but I've written some AR's and such and many times what I thought was a sensible way was completely wrong from how it should have been done. And always of course there's the way the accountant or user does things. Oy
09:25:11 <warlord> Well, I did write the business code 6 years ago.. I'd probably do it somewhat differently now.
09:27:23 <Remowylliams> I stayed way from GnuCash for a long time. But I think it will work well for me once I get settled in with it.
09:27:58 <warlord> if you dont mind me asking, why did you stay away from it?
09:29:37 <Remowylliams> It wasn't runnable on Windows the last time I looked at it. And it needed gnome to be installed to build it.
09:30:48 <warlord> Well, the latter hasn't changed. But the former has.
09:31:03 <warlord> Now we really need a "Native" MacOS X binary / installer.
09:31:04 <Remowylliams> There was also the matter of being able to easily carry around my file and make entries when I needed too, which cheap memory sticks now provide a very usable way of doing so. I know a good deal has changed since it was started.
09:31:29 <warlord> considering it was started back in ... 1996?
09:31:54 <warlord> yeah, lots has changed. :)
09:31:56 <Remowylliams> Actually I think it was around 1998
09:33:50 <Remowylliams> Having a device the size of bazooka bubble gum with 250 times the storage space of my first hard drive is a good bit of change.
09:33:50 <warlord> I think it was started before then -- I just found a slashdot article from 1998 that mentions both xacc AND gnucash.
09:34:12 <warlord> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=98/10/15/1742220&mode=thread
09:36:42 <Remowylliams> Well as I said, I think it was around 1998. I know there are some full charge accounting systems coming to fruit. But they are very much overkill for what I need and far less portable.
09:37:40 <warlord> I didn't get involved until '99
09:43:18 <warlord> anyways, I need to reboot into a new kernel. BIAB.
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10:13:17 <warlord> Okay, I'm back.
10:13:35 <Remowylliams> Welcome back warlord. I'm having difficulty finding the xml field I need to change for invoice #
10:14:02 <jsled> warlord: how's the new kernel? :)
10:14:17 <warlord> do you already have an invoice?
10:14:33 <Remowylliams> No not yet.
10:14:48 <warlord> Remowylliams: that's why -- you need to create an invoice before the counter gets instantiated
10:15:20 <warlord> jsled: i backed out. the bug is half-fixed, but there are still other side-effects. So I expect I'll get another update today or tomorrow.
10:15:42 <Remowylliams> I'll tuck that in the help file thanks.
10:17:45 <chris> @tell dbr Don't forget to add any new info to bug 467521.
10:17:45 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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12:46:13 <cstim> FYI: I'm on holiday and AFK from today until August 26th.
12:46:25 <cstim> As you might guess, I'd be very happy about the 2.2.1 release this weekend and there is nothing else in my queue that should have been committed.
12:46:37 <cstim> see ya
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12:49:39 <warlord> Damn, that was too quick..
12:49:44 <warlord> Has book-closing been disabled?
12:50:23 <jsled> yes.
12:50:52 <warlord> Have other "broken" features also been disabled?
12:51:01 <warlord> (sorry, I know I'm being pedantic here)
12:51:04 <jsled> QSF Import. That is all I disabled.
12:51:09 <warlord> Ok.
12:51:24 <warlord> Damn, I really wish Linux had a real filter driver interface.
12:51:28 <jsled> I'm not aware of other "broken" features.
12:51:36 <warlord> Lots? ;)
12:51:39 <jsled> heh.
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12:59:44 <warlord> Maybe one of these days I should convert from 2.0.x to 2.2.x for my personal, every day finances..
13:00:17 <jsled> perhaps, yeah. :)
13:00:24 <jsled> I did with 2.1.4, I think.
13:02:40 * twunder hasn't converted yet, either
13:02:52 <twunder> still can't get used to the new SLR :(
13:04:15 <jsled> :(
13:06:12 <warlord> twunder: send in a patch to make it work how you want ;)
13:06:39 * warlord wants to fix the M&LD to be more "correct", and add support for pre-payments.
13:08:57 <warlord> But /me has no time.
13:18:33 * twunder prefers whining and complaining over coding ;)
13:19:01 <jsled> heh.
13:19:14 <warlord> heh!
13:40:00 <jsled> Wow. We're supposed to begin final evaluations for SoC in 3 days...
13:40:13 <jsled> Though the eval deadline isn't for 2 weeks.
13:40:21 <jsled> (from today)
13:40:32 <jsled> Time flies...
13:40:57 <warlord> Indeed!
13:40:59 <warlord> Welcome to August.
13:41:13 <jsled> heh.
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14:00:29 <dbr> chris: note added to bug 467521. Last night here I was just trying to call jsled
14:00:29 <gncbot> dbr: Sent 3 hours and 42 minutes ago: <chris> Don't forget to add any new info to bug 467521.
14:01:02 <dbr> 's attention to it, since he committed 16378, but the bug (as general) gets assigned to wilddev
14:04:11 <warlord> We should probably change the ownership of those pieces from wilddev to andi5
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15:13:22 <sorush20> can I get a trial balance of active accounts only? rather than all of them and the inactive ones too
15:15:16 <warlord> have you tried editing the list of selected accounts in the report options?
15:17:09 <sorush20> that's gonna take a long time
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16:21:50 <warlord> sorush20: well, you've had an hour to work on it, so you should be done by now! Keep in mind that you can Save the report settings so you dont have to reset them later.
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17:26:21 <andi5> warlord: re: ownership of pieces... i see that documentation, general, reports and xml backend are owned by wilddev ... do you think i should take over the latter three or are there (better) default assignees?
17:27:06 <warlord> I think you should for now.
17:27:23 <warlord> maybe we can convince Dave Herman to take over the docs.
17:27:36 <andi5> yeah
17:49:41 <andi5> Q: shall i revert r15086 (like applying 14150), given #465602?
18:13:46 <andi5> do not mind
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19:27:19 <rchern> how feasible is having gnucash run from a usb drive?
19:30:53 <warlord> the application? or the data file?
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19:31:55 <MrN> rchern: windows?
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20:15:18 <warlord> rchern: are you going to respond to us?
20:20:12 <rchern> sorry, had to do a critical bugfix on my webapp. the application. i know the datafile can be stored externally. i mean portable gnucash, not portable datafile and multiple installations.
20:22:17 <MrN> rchern: windows?
20:24:36 <rchern> yes, no, linux, i have too many computers lol
20:24:46 <rchern> but we'll go with yes ;)
20:25:00 <MrN> well, you can't have one binary for multiple platforms
20:26:24 <warlord> rchern: gnucash is very location-dependent.
20:27:14 <rchern> i didn't mean i wanted to use the same binary on different os'...just that i have both windows and 'nix boxes
20:27:35 <warlord> so, i'm afraid installing the app on a USB stick isn't reasonable..
20:27:44 <rchern> but if i wanted to install gnucash on my usb stick, use it in my windows box at home, then take it to work and use it on that windows box
20:29:57 <warlord> Are you sure that the usb stick will mount into the same drive letter everywhere?
20:30:58 <warlord> Oh, also, you wont get the right registry entries.. You need to install gnucash on each machine.
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20:40:44 <rchern> ah well. was hopeful. i've been on portableapps.com for too long
20:41:27 <warlord> yeah. gnucash isn't quite that portable. It can be installed to any location, but it isn't portable across multiple systems.
20:44:29 <rchern> i guess i'll have to stop spending money during the day then. won't need to use gnucash if i don't spend money heh
20:44:51 <warlord> LOL
20:45:41 <rchern> well it's true. go to lunch...shop online...get my paycheck...get my 401k statements...a lot of financial stuff happens at work
20:45:51 <warlord> VNC?
20:46:52 <rchern> i don't keep my boxes connected to the external network 24/7.
20:48:18 <warlord> why not?
20:48:59 <rchern> no need. not all of them do stuff that requires an internet connection
20:49:29 <rchern> and i don't keep my xp laptop on during the day while i'm at work ;)
20:49:49 <warlord> Why not keep the data on your laptop?
20:50:35 <rchern> not sure how that would help me at work
20:51:22 <warlord> Carry your laptop with you
20:52:46 <rchern> hmm good point, a laptop is much more portable than a usb stick :P
20:53:02 <warlord> it's much more USABLE than a USB stick..
20:54:30 <rchern> seems kinda stupid to carry around a laptop to use for 5 minutes at work for 1 application though, yes?
20:55:18 <MrN> well then take a piece of paper and write down what to do at home
20:56:20 <rchern> lol
20:56:34 <warlord> Or just install gnucash on both machines.
20:56:40 <warlord> and put yor data file on the USB stick
20:58:14 <rchern> can't install at work
20:59:23 <warlord> then I suggest pencil and paper.. or collect receipts and take them home
20:59:46 <MrN> or e-mail yourself
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21:00:24 <rchern> i was just asking if it was possible...sorry for bothering, dang :|
21:00:48 <MrN> no problem :D
21:02:15 <warlord> well, you can certainly install gnucash onto the USB drive, but it wont work on both sides because of the registry.
21:03:54 <rchern> how so?
21:05:42 <warlord> Well, when you run the gnucash installer, tell it E: (or whatever your USB drive is)
21:07:18 <rchern> yes.
21:07:34 <warlord> but it wont work on the other systems..
21:08:21 <rchern> mapping the usb drive to the same drive letter isn't a concern
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21:44:05 <warlord> gotta go.
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