2007-08-11 GnuCash IRC logs

00:11:18 <fefe> hey, works pretty nice defining the UF as a commodity :)
00:12:15 <fefe> and i can see in one screen the value in UF, the exchange rate and how much i payed in pesos :)
00:12:24 <fefe> beats quicken already hehe
00:13:55 <fefe> i like it ;)
00:14:06 <warlord> There ya go
00:33:13 <fefe> hm, maybe i could still use the QIF import if i export the accounts in each currency separatey from quicken
00:34:15 <warlord> That might work... Although the importer will make different trees for each currency.
00:35:10 <fefe> what about transfers between accounts with different currencies? would they get imported right?
00:35:34 <warlord> probably not
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00:37:41 <fernan> hi all
00:38:27 <fernan> I want to separate my personal finance from my business finance
00:38:56 <fernan> sometimes I transfer funds from my day job to my investments
00:39:12 <fernan> how do I categorize that transfer?
00:39:33 <fernan> shoule the investment be in expense?
00:40:10 <warlord> Two files with separate equity or income/expense account as necessary to transfer between the two sets.
00:43:19 <fernan> I am not sure what you mean, but....
00:44:03 <warlord> Which word(s) dont you understand
00:44:31 <fernan> I already have a separate gnucash files for personal and buisiness
00:44:40 <warlord> Then you're where you need to be
00:46:10 <fernan> Yes, I just dont know how to categorize the transfer of some money from my personal account to the investment
00:46:46 <fernan> ex, I widthraw money from my bank account and buy supplies for my bisness
00:46:49 <warlord> Like I said, either an Equity account or an income/expense pair, depending.
00:47:11 <warlord> You need a pair of transactions, one txn in your personal books, and another in the business books.
00:47:56 <fernan> ahh, I think I get it now
00:48:52 <fernan> I can consider the withdrawal from my bank account as an income/expense pair with the investment as an expense
00:49:14 <fernan> and then update my investment file as an income/equity
00:49:33 <warlord> well, they need to match, but basically yeah.
00:50:48 <fernan> Yeah, thanks I understand now
00:50:51 <fernan> thanks
00:51:30 <warlord> you're welcome.
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02:10:06 <nbinont_> [ot] for those of you that have been following the SCO v. Novell case, seems SCO lost big time: www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070810165237718
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10:16:13 <MrN> hi
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10:17:55 <chris> MrN: hello
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10:32:43 <MrN> it's sad that people think gnucash were too complicated. it isn't really, it's just the complexity you need to be flexible enough IMHO
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11:09:00 <micah1_8> is there some way to make gnucash remember the changes I've made to the preferences on an invoice. Say I don't want the discount column to show up and I want to change the message at the bottom of the invoice. Do I have to change those things on every invoice I make? Or can I just save my default settings somehow?
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11:51:32 <jsled> micah1_8: you can just leave the invoice open and change it's options when you need to re-use it. I believe you can also save the report, but report saving has been a little twitchy recently; if you do save the report, I recommend immediately saving your data and restarting gnucash.
11:52:27 <micah1_8> what I want to do is have the next invoice I create look the same.
11:55:48 <micah1_8> you know, change the default column settings...
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11:58:11 <jsled> micah1_8: I understand. I don't believe there's any other way than re-using such a configured report or saving it and then re-using it later.
11:58:29 <dwhsix> when I've imported transactions (e.g. from bank) is there any way to bulk-modify?
11:58:40 <dwhsix> e.g. I know all transactions in a search should be transfers to "Expense:Grocery" account... can I do a bulk modify somehow?
11:59:13 <jsled> There is no way to batch-process transactions; the import operation should let you match transactions to accounts, though...
11:59:13 <dwhsix> (this is on 2.0.5, btw)
11:59:49 <dwhsix> jsled: thanks, although that still requires matching each transaction manually, right?
12:00:01 <jsled> Which importer?
12:00:06 <jsled> QIF or OFX?
12:00:39 <jsled> The OFX importer does bayesian matching; the QIF importer only does string-literal matching.
12:05:08 <micah1_8> ok, thanks for the help.
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13:13:58 <ecraven> hey all
13:15:14 <ecraven> a general question about transactions, if i have two checking accounts, one for private things and one for work, if i transfer money between them, that takes a few days.. and i have two receipts, would i transfer the money from the one account to some temporary account ("the bank"), with the one receipt as evidence, and then, the day it arrives at the other account, transfer it from "the bank" to the other account?
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13:38:05 <jsled> ecraven: pretty much, yeah. This was discussed on -user in a bit more detail in the last month or two.
13:38:27 <jsled> (just passing through ... /me goes afk again.)
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14:28:47 <ecraven> is there a way to import from csv to gnucash? my bank doesn't give me anything else ;(
14:30:03 <jsled> not yet. We have a Summer of Code project for delimited file import, but it's not completed yet.
14:30:16 <jsled> Best suggestion is to convert to QIF via an awk script or somehting.
14:30:34 <ecraven> ok, i'll look into that, thanks!
14:30:51 <ecraven> any quick intro to QIF available?
14:31:02 <jsled> hold.
14:31:24 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_convert_from_CSV.2C_TSV.2C_XLS_.28Excel.29.2C_or_SXC_.28.21OpenOffice.org_Calc.29_to_a_QIF.3F
14:31:35 <jsled> Has a short description and a link to WP about QIF.
14:31:52 <ecraven> ah, thank you, sorry for asking a question that's answered in the faq
14:32:14 <jsled> heh. it's all good.
14:32:56 <ecraven> i tried ofc, but that doesn't seem to work too well ;(
14:36:21 <cstim> hi all
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14:50:25 <ecraven> is there a way to put my currency into the QIF file, so that gnucash will not ask me?
14:50:26 <rchern> I'm having trouble with understanding double-entry for accounting for employee contributions to a 401k, someone willing to help me get the right accounts setup?
14:50:53 <chris> hey cstim
14:51:28 <chris> ecraven: I'm not sure, but I don't think so.
14:58:48 <ecraven> ah, this works nicely
14:59:04 <rchern> i was so close, i thought i had it right, but my equity:un-vested_contributions account is -(), which leads me to believe i've screwed up somewhere ;)
14:59:10 <ecraven> now i just have to write a filter that tries to guess the correct accounts for all transactions
14:59:16 <cstim> chris: hi
15:03:55 <cstim> how about a 2.2.1 release next weekend?
15:04:18 <cstim> nbinont_: would that work for you so that you can build a windows binary?
15:09:44 <jsled> Jeez. I moderated <http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2007-August/021353.html> through first thing this morning, and am totally ready to answer it, but I still haven't received it, yet.
15:12:42 <cstim> jsled: yes, I've been wondering as well what's up with lists.gnucash.org.
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15:54:26 <ecraven> is there a way to set the receiving account to 'assets:foo' for all transactions whose text matches '*phone bill*' ?
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16:21:49 <cstim> ecraven: no
16:22:15 <cstim> ecraven: that would be the feature "batch editing of transactions", which is still not available. There's a RFE in bugzilla about this.
16:23:37 <cstim> A quiet saturday night here...
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16:25:03 <tyler> where's "here"?
16:29:10 <ecraven> cstim: ah, that would have been nice.. so i'll just add the proper transformations to my csv2qif converter
16:29:34 <ecraven> one more question, can i tell gnucash to ignore all transactions that are outside the current month/week/arbitrary time interval?
16:30:53 <ecraven> i want to see what i spent this month, so i'd like the Accounts window to show only the relevant data
16:35:41 <cstim> ecraven: what do you mean by "ignore"?
16:35:54 <cstim> ecraven: that's what the reports are for. They all have a start and end date.
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16:36:18 <cstim> tyler: Hamburg, Germany?
16:36:43 <ecraven> i'd like to "hide" transactions ;)
16:36:57 <cstim> ecraven: but a different question: how did you hear about this IRC channel?
16:37:49 <MrN> Hamburg, Germany? huh? ecraven seems to be from Austria. or what did i get wrong?
16:43:11 <ecraven> yes, i work in Linz
16:43:29 <ecraven> cstim: from the #gnucash channel on freenode
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16:49:53 <chris> ecraven: in addition to the date ranges on reports, you can also have your account tree show a balance column for an arbitrary date range.
16:52:22 <chris> hmm, I seem to be having trouble commiting to the svn server.
16:52:26 <ecraven> chris: ah, cool, how do i do that?
16:53:03 <chris> ecraven: set the date range as your "accounting period" under prefs, and then add the column for "period balance".
16:53:59 <cstim> chris: I had some trouble earlier today.
16:55:07 <chris> cstim: did you resolve it?
16:55:44 <cstim> no, I just waited
16:56:47 <cstim> and then I got contact again.
16:56:57 <ecraven> chris: thanks, that's exactly what i wanted!
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16:57:29 <chris> ecraven: you're welcome.
16:58:06 <cstim> In bash scripts, how do I convert a variable that contains a newline-separated word list into a space-separated word list?
16:58:27 <ecraven> what is reconciling accounts?
16:59:26 <cstim> oh, I already found one possibility: B=`echo $A`
17:00:25 <chris> ecraven: please see the Tutorial and Concepts Guide.
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17:00:44 <Carl> Hello
17:00:51 <Carl> I need some help
17:01:31 <Carl> I just installed gnucash for windows. I'm trying to setup online banking
17:02:09 <ecraven> is there a way to start gnucash with a german user interface? i don't use gnome, so i can't easily change the default language for gnome apps
17:03:13 <Carl> When I click "start AqBanking Wizard" I get the message "The external program "aqbanking Setup Wizard" failed to run successfully because the additional software "Qt" was not found...."
17:03:23 <cstim> ecraven: export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
17:03:27 <Carl> I installed that QT program and I still get the same message
17:03:38 <chris> ecraven: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 gnucash
17:03:51 <ecraven> ah, i should have known it would be that simple ;)
17:04:15 <cstim> Carl: did you modify the "environment variables" after you installed Qt?
17:04:31 <Carl> Nope, can't figure out how to do that
17:04:46 <Carl> please help
17:04:47 <cstim> Carl: this will be fixed in gnucash-2.2.1, but here's what you can do already
17:04:55 <Carl> ok
17:04:59 <cstim> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Online_Banking_Setup_Druid_.28needs_Qt.29
17:05:03 <cstim> quote:
17:05:18 <cstim> After the installation completed, additionally you need to add the "bin" subdirectory of the newly installed Qt library (e.g. C:\Qt\4.2.3\bin) to your "PATH" environment variable. How to do this on Windows XP is described here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310519
17:06:15 <Carl> Ya, I read that alread, I coulden't get it 2 work
17:06:27 <Carl> already*
17:06:30 <cstim> or, well, alternatively you can just copy all .dll files from the C:\Qt\4.2.3\bin directory into the gnucash \bin directory.
17:06:46 <Carl> ok, I think I can manage that
17:06:54 <Carl> just a min
17:06:56 <cstim> by the way, unfortunately you have to get exactly the Qt version 4.2.3, not a newer one.
17:07:15 <Carl> oh, thats probably my problem
17:07:21 <Carl> I just got the newest one
17:07:56 <Carl> so I guess I got 2 go back and do that then
17:07:56 <cstim> yes. sorry for that. As I said, this will be fixed in gnucash-2.2.1.
17:08:56 <Carl> could you give me a link for that qt version?
17:09:13 <cstim> no, I'd have to search for this as well.
17:09:34 <chris> jsled: Is the svn server problem anything you can fix?
17:10:26 <chris> It seems that it accepted my commit after about 10 min, but it's stalled again on the next one.
17:10:33 <Carl> qt-win-opensource-4.2.3-mingw.exe That the one?
17:13:05 <cstim> yes
17:13:23 <cstim> and if it asks you "should we install mingw", you can answer no and ignore the respective warning.
17:14:49 <Carl> ok thankyou
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17:21:49 <Carl> yeh!! Thanks cstim It's working now
17:22:59 <cstim> you're welcome
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18:09:48 <ecraven> gn, thanks for all the help!
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18:15:06 <jsled> go chris go! :)
18:17:28 <warlord> My computer is all better! (well, except I still can't boot into the rescue & recovery partition, but htat's okay)
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18:50:35 <chris> hey warlord, any idea why svn commits take forever?
18:51:18 <warlord> chris: um, no..
18:51:41 <chris> I've got one "stuck" right now if it helps debugging.
18:52:12 <warlord> Well, I'm trying to login right now..
18:52:24 <warlord> even a login is taking a while.
18:52:35 <chris> sounds kind of like OOM.
18:52:55 <chris> ...hitting swap.
18:53:00 <warlord> Yeah..
18:53:07 <warlord> That happened recently, too..
18:53:11 <warlord> I'm checking.
18:53:23 <warlord> I might need to reboot..
18:53:56 <chris> well, my previous commits completed after 10 minutes or so.
18:54:11 <warlord> right. it sounds like OOM. I'll look.
18:54:12 <chris> So, it might be worth letting it go through, just to avoid any corruption.
18:54:32 <warlord> Yeah, but I might be able to kill the errant process, like httpd.
18:54:40 <warlord> Oooh, I just got a shell.
18:54:54 <warlord> 18:54:38 up 41 days, 16:14, 3 users, load average: 27.25, 51.84, 47.37
18:55:27 <chris> my commit just finished
18:55:40 <chris> 27! ouch!
18:56:05 <warlord> yeah. I'm killing httpd.
18:58:45 <warlord> well, that fixed it.
18:58:46 <warlord> 18:58:35 up 41 days, 16:18, 3 users, load average: 1.76, 25.38, 37.64
18:59:54 <warlord> http restarted
19:00:56 <warlord> And... load jumped up.
19:01:04 <warlord> Looks like someone is pulling down all of /trac
19:04:04 <warlord> looks like 125.235.10.8
19:07:23 <chris> vietnam, no?
19:07:49 <warlord> I dunno.. But I just blocked that IP.
19:08:39 <warlord> And lookie lookie -- load is down to 1
19:13:05 <warlord> chris: okay, let me know if you have more issues.
19:13:14 <chris> ok
19:13:18 <chris> thanks
19:13:23 <warlord> NP.
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19:51:34 <rchern> What do I change the parent account of a mutual fund to so that it shows a value besides $0? I can't change it to a mutual fund because then it wants a security.
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20:29:02 <rchern> (i guess i should specify that i mean when the child accounts have a specific security that pull prices from online, so the security isn't USD
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20:35:44 <rchern> so frustrating
20:36:33 <MrN> have you tried the wiki?
20:37:39 <rchern> haven't found anything that seems useful
20:38:15 <rchern> the druid creates mutual funds with USD as the security without anything in the security editor. i can't manually create an account like that
20:38:19 <MrN> i have seen a number of posts on the mailing lists on this issue but i never checked because i have no mutual fond ownership
20:39:49 <MrN> rchern: how about creating a security in the FUND realm?
20:41:03 <rchern> right, i have several mutual fund accounts each with their own security which is a FUND. the balance shows the number of shares held instead of a $ value
20:41:51 <MrN> well i only have company shares but the parent account does show a EUR value for me
20:42:08 <rchern> what is the type of the parent account?
20:42:24 <rchern> i'd assume it'd be the same situation for stocks, let me try that
20:43:55 <MrN> wait a moment i have to restart in english mode
20:44:31 <MrN> the parent account is "Asset"
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20:48:28 <rchern> I have Investments which is an asset type, and under that TEST which is a stock with a security set. The balance shows "25 TEST" (I used "TEST" as the ticker symbol) and Investments shows $0.00
20:48:56 <MrN> well maybe you forgot to assign a value to TEST in the price editor?
20:50:52 <rchern> there is a value set, the balance on the account still shows 25 TEST
20:51:46 <MrN> which is how it should be.
20:51:50 <rchern> (and Investments still = $0)
20:51:57 <MrN> which is how it should not be.
20:52:00 <rchern> lol
20:52:08 <MrN> :)
20:52:32 <rchern> Investments: Placeholder, Type=Asset, Parent=New Top Level
20:52:43 <rchern> oh and Security/Currency = USD
20:53:10 <MrN> well i really think something is wrong with the TEST price settings
20:54:45 <rchern> Price Editor: NYSE > TEST > TEST > USD, 8/11/2007, user:price-editor, last, 2.00
20:55:15 <MrN> cheap
20:55:34 <MrN> well it should be FUND > TEST, shouldn't it?
20:56:01 <rchern> i setup TEST as a stock to see if it was any different
20:56:28 <rchern> and tests should be cheap :P
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22:31:23 <micah1_8> ok, so let's say I've created a blank invoice that looks just how I want it. I've changed the greeting, put my phone number in the address area (why doesn't it already do that by the way?) and corrected the date so that it shows the day along with the month and year over in the upper right hand corner. I've also turned off the columns I don't want to show (discount, taxable, etc.) and I have an invoice that looks just like I want it. How d
22:35:10 <micah1_8> gnucash for windows (stable) by the way.
22:45:07 <chris> micah1_8: your question was cutoff by IRC line-length limits at " just like I want it. How d"
22:46:19 <micah1_8> How do I run things so that every time I want to make a new invoice, I start with this one, since I can't save these settings as default?
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22:47:00 <micah1_8> I sorta asked this question earlier, but I couldn't stick around... and I didn't get as specific.
22:48:26 <micah1_8> it seems that setting default columns would be a standard feature.
22:48:53 <chris> micah1_8: as I understand it, you can either a) leave the invoice open or b) Actions->Rename Report, and then click "Add Report"
22:50:49 <micah1_8> so you're saying, create a blank invoice with an imaginary customer, and just don't post it. When I need to create a new invoice, open that blank one, click duplicate, and then change the customer info?
22:51:57 <chris> um, I don't think that's what I'm saying :)
22:52:06 <micah1_8> or, goto actions-rename report, and call the invoice something like "sample invoice" and when I need to add a new invoice, load "sample invoice" and change the data therein?
22:52:22 <micah1_8> ok, then I'm confused.
22:52:37 <chris> the latter.
22:53:02 <chris> The invoice you've customized is just a report, so save it.
22:53:08 <micah1_8> is it going to be difficult to change the customer info on a "sample invoice" ?
22:53:34 <rchern> how do i go about figuring out what "report error: an error occurred while running the report" is really trying to tell me?
22:53:43 <chris> When you want to print an invoice (report) just load your saved report, and change which invoice (the data object) it references.
22:53:57 <micah1_8> hmmm...
22:54:19 <chris> rchern: check /tmp/gnucash.trace?
22:54:24 <micah1_8> so I don't just go to file---print when I'm done posting an invoice, instead I go to reports--sample invoice
22:54:43 <micah1_8> or whatever I name it
22:55:09 <chris> micah1_8: yeah.
22:55:19 <micah1_8> if I do that, will it keep my column settings?
22:55:48 <rchern> any idea where that would be on windows?
22:55:53 <chris> micah1_8: yes.
22:55:58 <micah1_8> who do I make a feature change request to?
22:56:18 <micah1_8> there should be a "keep these as default" button. That would sure simplify life.
22:56:45 <chris> micah1_8: usually, you file a Request For Enhancement (RFE) at bugzilla.gnome.org
22:56:56 <chris> rchern: no, sorry.
22:57:31 <rchern> was just hoping to avoid a search ;)
22:58:03 <micah1_8> ok, thanks chris. I'll look into that. I've installed this for a friend to help him with running his business. He wants something "quickbooks simple." But I'm trying hard to make the open-source sell. you know what I mean?
22:58:25 <chris> micah1_8: If you try what I said, I think you'll see that it's pretty simple.
22:58:53 <micah1_8> Oh I'm sure, I just want to make it as-few-clicks-as-possible for my friend.
22:58:55 <micah1_8> thanks.
22:59:06 <chris> micah1_8: you're welcome.
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23:05:38 <rchern> i have too many files on my computer to search rofl
23:08:10 <chris> rchern: I'm pretty sure andi5 or cstim could tell you right away, if they were here.
23:09:09 <chris> rchern: FWIW, that error really indicates a bug somewhere.
23:12:15 <rchern> i found the file, was just finishing up something so i could save and close gnucash and actually open the log heh
23:12:40 <chris> rchern: does the log contain a guile stack trace?
23:13:12 <chris> rchern: if so, please pastebin it.
23:16:50 <rchern> it sure would be nice if each log file didn't have a different file extension so that windows didn't keep asking me what app to use to open >.<
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23:18:05 <rchern> http://rafb.net/p/NPwHe642.html
23:19:03 <chris> rchern: that's it? 6 lines?
23:20:19 <rchern> i used a clean logfile that time
23:23:40 <chris> um, can you post the log after the "report error"?
23:24:48 <rchern> is that ehlpful in any way?
23:26:05 <chris> what you posted is not helpful, but the log may contain a stack trace after you trigger the "report error". That would be useful.
23:26:13 <rchern> that log came from opening gnucash, trying to do the report, and then closing gnucash to view the log
23:26:16 <rchern> ...?
23:27:04 <rchern> [21:53:33pm] <rchern> how do i go about figuring out what "report error: an error occurred while running the report" is really trying to tell me?
23:27:07 <rchern> is that what you mean?
23:27:14 <rchern> that message?
23:27:19 <chris> rchern: yes, that's what I mean.
23:27:27 <chris> did you see that?
23:27:28 <rchern> ah, well there it is then :P
23:29:33 <rchern> that's all gnucash shows, not what the error may be..
23:34:24 <chris> that's strange, because gnucash will call g_warning() with the stack trace.
23:37:13 <rchern> yeah, actually the logfile has the same 4 lines if i just open gnucash and close it without trying to get the report
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23:40:46 <rchern> the advanced portfolio report works, not the investment portfolio
23:44:59 <chris> rchern: I have a feeling that the error message of interest has a null error domain, and that the default logger behavior is not to log it.
23:46:24 <chris> if you're ambitious, you can see if you can coax the logger to log it anyway, perhaps by making a logger config file.
23:46:48 <chris> but the easy approach would be to wait until jsled can comment on the matter.
23:52:18 <rchern> heh
23:53:15 <rchern> wanna take a stab at 1 more question?
23:54:22 <chris> if it's quick, I'm off to bed soon.
23:54:45 <rchern> i have a 401k account with a vested subaccount and a nonvested subaccount. each of those have 8 funds underneath. the fund security matches between the nonvested and vested. is there an easy way to view the total (ie, getting it to combine based on the security)
23:56:04 <rchern> obviously i'm not sure about the investment portfolio, but the advanced portfolio doesn't combine them
23:59:00 <chris> rchern: well, I don't think there's a super-easy way to do that, but..
23:59:40 <chris> It shouldn't be too hard to create a report that includes only the two accounts of the same commodity, and...