2007-07-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:21:03 <CrazyVas> hello..
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01:21:45 <timandahaf> anyone here?
01:25:07 <timandahaf> This is my question: I'm using OFX direct connect. It works great for my Amex credit cards..
01:26:01 <timandahaf> but for my Chase credit card, gnucash ignores the date ranges that I request, and /always/ downloads only the transactions that were made after my latest statement.
01:26:15 <timandahaf> In other words, I can't download anything from any of my past statements.
01:26:39 <timandahaf> I downloaded the trial version of Quicken, which seems to download everything I can see online at chase.com fine.
01:28:15 <timandahaf> Thanks :)
01:29:18 <timandahaf> I'll check later. Thanks for all the help!
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05:58:09 <witten> is there any reason to use Accounts Payable if payment to a vendor is immediate? (e.g. with a credit card)
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14:46:20 <elb> I have a procedural problem ... I held a stock which recently spun off a division, and during this spinoff I received 1) shares of the spinoff company, and 2) a cash disbursement for partial shares (the ratio was not even at all)
14:46:32 <elb> how in the world would one represent this in a reasonably concise fashion?
14:46:51 <elb> (that is, without representing it as a sale of the original shares, buy back at the new price, and purchase of spinoff shares
14:46:54 <elb> )
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14:54:10 <warlord> elb: do you still have your original shares?
14:57:43 <elb> yes
14:58:03 <elb> I had 11 shares of X, I received 7 shares of Y and some cash
14:58:48 <elb> the cash I can just represent as a dividend, I guess
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15:30:01 <ror> hi
15:31:43 <warlord> elb: yeah, that's what I would do.
15:37:42 <jsled> hello
15:40:46 <warlord> hey jsled
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16:19:03 <cstim> did you check out our sourceforge page? 17,061 downloads!
16:19:11 <cstim> in words: seven-teen thousands!
16:21:22 <jsled> plus one and three score!
16:22:30 <warlord> WOW!
16:22:40 <warlord> 3 score and 1 download ago....
16:22:43 <chris> that's a lot.
16:24:17 <cstim> actually, but you probably guessed it, those were the windows binary numbers alone. The source gz and bz2 together are another 1,400. Interesting ratio to the windows binary :-)
16:24:50 <warlord> Not surprising...
16:26:02 <ror> downloading source isn't terribly popular now that the current breed of package managers do a very good job
16:26:34 <jsled> true.
16:32:46 <warlord> exactly.
16:33:05 <warlord> Bill Nottingham downloads one copy of the source and thousands of users then use it.
16:33:17 <cstim> Bill? what does he provide?
16:34:45 <warlord> RedHat/Fedora packages
16:40:07 <cstim> jsled: how did you create the backport changesets? somehow in git? Or manually?
16:40:44 <jsled> manually.
16:41:45 <cstim> now that I get used to git, it's actually quite a pain having to go back to the days of manual managing of merges...
16:43:26 <warlord> "manual managing"?
16:44:43 <cstim> If I had the full gnucash repo in git, this would be
16:45:05 <cstim> git-checkout branches/2.0; git-merge master; git-checkout master
16:45:24 <cstim> no extra picking of the changesets necessary (iff I merge all of them)
16:45:42 <cstim> but so far I don't have the full gnucash repo in git.
16:46:48 <warlord> Oh, that's IFF you want to merge all of them.
16:46:57 <warlord> That's not what happens most of the time.
16:47:15 <cstim> well, that's what happens right now
16:47:58 <cstim> (which is why I still think it's too early for the 2.2 branch, but whatever)
16:48:03 <warlord> True. I can do it via svk smerge //mirrors/gnucash/<from-branch> //mirrors/gnucash/<to-branch>
16:55:53 <warlord> cstim: I assume you'll apply the jp.po update?
17:01:21 <cstim> yes
17:01:57 <warlord> okay, just making sure. Thanks!
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17:03:56 <samlovestacos> Has anyone heard of gnucash simply not running on vista? Problem is i install, run and the bin process starts and nothing happens after
17:03:58 <samlovestacos> any ideas?
17:04:12 <warlord> samlovestacos: are you running with admin privs?
17:04:20 <samlovestacos> yes i am
17:04:27 <warlord> ah, hmm..
17:04:43 <warlord> i dont think anyone has tested vista.
17:05:51 <samlovestacos> hmm strange. I have installed this program on my old computer running Ubuntu and its perfect but i need to run vista due to work related projects. I tried using the emulation with the different compatability settings
17:05:52 <samlovestacos> no dice
17:07:10 <warlord> Like i said, I dont think anyone has tested vista.
17:07:18 <warlord> cstim and andi5 would be the people to ask.
17:07:43 <samlovestacos> okay do you know when they would be available?
17:08:06 <cstim> samlovestaces: I've tested it on Vista just fine
17:08:24 <cstim> samlovestacos: You install it with Admin privileges, but then you run it as normal user, right?
17:08:42 <samlovestacos> Were you using any special settings like compatabillity, UAC on or off, Admin acount etc?
17:08:55 <cstim> samlovestacos: no, no special settings at all.
17:09:11 <cstim> samlovestacos: but there have been some reports about gnucash not starting at all.
17:10:01 <samlovestacos> thats what im having im trying to open bugzilla but it seems really slow or something today
17:10:12 * cstim is trying to look up these on bugzilla
17:10:18 <cstim> yeah, really slow
17:10:50 <samlovestacos> i have a server reset error on my end
17:10:55 <warlord> Could this be the "ior" problem?
17:11:37 <cstim> warlord: heh. I have no idea whether ORBit and ior and gconfd are even related to this.
17:11:58 <jsled> anything on the console? In the trace file?
17:12:02 <warlord> ior is from Orbit
17:12:09 <warlord> (iirc)
17:12:22 <warlord> Sometimes removing that file helps, according to some users. *shrugs*
17:12:54 <samlovestacos> so i should remove the ior file?
17:13:39 <warlord> You can try it.
17:13:43 <warlord> YMMV
17:13:48 <samlovestacos> and where would i find it?
17:14:18 <cstim> bugzilla...
17:14:27 <cstim> I've written *everything* about this issue there
17:14:36 <samlovestacos> yea but bugzilla is down
17:14:48 <samlovestacos> do you have a cache i could use
17:14:57 <samlovestacos> or does bugzilla have a mirror somewhere else
17:15:02 <cstim> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Windows_XP_Corporate_Edition_Problems
17:15:12 <cstim> and it points to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457100
17:15:35 <cstim> just check it later today or tomorrow. Everything we know (which is not much so far) is collected there. Thanks.
17:15:53 <cstim> also maybe http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#GConf.2FORBit_COMM_FAILURE
17:16:15 <samlovestacos> okay ill try that
17:16:18 <samlovestacos> thanks for the help
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17:41:25 <cstim> so are we really sure we want to use branches/2.2 now?
17:41:52 <cstim> Because as soon as the gnucash.pot diverge, I can update the translations on only one of them anymore.
17:44:24 <samlovestacos> okay sorry to bother you but the suggestions in bugzilla didn't work so i looked it up some more and someone said the earlier versions worked better specifically 2.1.5 and 2.1.0 so i tried those, nothing much happens. if you have quick eyes you can see a gnucash box pop up for less than a second and close right after a dos prompt comes up and does something. id love to help if you don't have access to vista. is there anything i can do
17:44:41 <warlord> cstim: I dont particularly care until we start wanting to fold in major feature changes.
17:51:36 <cstim> samlovestacos: no, I don't have any further suggestions. As I said, I *did* install and run it successfully from a setup.exe on Vista just fine.
17:51:48 <cstim> so it can't be fundamentally broken.
17:51:54 <cstim> (except for the Windows part :-)
17:52:37 <cstim> warlord: yes, deferring the 2.2. branch until actual new features arrive would definitely make life easier for translation commits.
17:53:30 <warlord> cstim: I have no objection to effectively making the correct 2.2.0 tag and then deleting the existing 2.2 branch until we're ready for 2.2.1 or 2.2.2 or some development branch is ready to merge back into trunk.
17:54:10 <witten> are there any benefits to using Accounts Payable if payment to a vendor is immediate? (e.g. with a credit card)
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17:56:01 <cstim> ok, who's going to do this? /me is off to bed shortly
17:56:20 <warlord> I can't right now.
17:56:27 <warlord> witten: maybe?
17:56:42 <witten> warlord: such as? :)
17:56:59 <warlord> Um, you want to easily keep track of how much you buy from each vendor?
17:57:17 <witten> I guess that's a good one
18:00:56 <warlord> but if you never run the "Vendor Report" then it probably doesn't matter.
18:01:27 <cstim> I'll copy tags/2.2.0 from trunk r16306
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18:02:51 <cstim> done
18:03:35 <warlord> cool
18:04:12 <piyo|gnucashWin> greetz and howdy
18:05:25 <cstim> so should I svn remove svn+ssh://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/branches/2.2 ?
18:05:37 <cstim> jsled, chris: any second opinion?
18:06:19 <cstim> (or third, for that matter)
18:10:36 <cstim> I think I'll simply remove it, and we'll branch again if new features are about to come.
18:12:12 <cstim> there you are.
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18:23:38 <jsled> I'm fine with a delayed 2.2 branch.
18:24:34 <chris> no strong opinion here.
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18:32:55 <piyo|gnucashWin> how come when I input something in Japanese (using Microsoft IME), I don't see the candidate input?
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18:36:15 <warlord> piyo|gnucashWin: this was answered on the mailing list today.
18:36:24 <piyo|gnucashWin> yea!
18:36:36 <warlord> (although not win-specific)
18:37:12 <piyo|gnucashWin> https://lists.gnucash.org/search/ "there is a problem with this website's security certificate"
18:37:26 <piyo|gnucashWin> click "Continue to this website (not recommended). "
18:38:12 <piyo|gnucashWin> warlord: when you say mailing list, do you mean gnuclash-user?
18:38:20 <piyo|gnucashWin> gnucash-user
18:38:50 <warlord> Either -user or -devel, I dont recall which
18:39:03 <warlord> piyo|gnucashWin: yeah, WinBlows doens't like self-signed certs.
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18:39:45 <piyo|gnucashWin> do you mean this https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2007-July/021054.html
18:40:52 <warlord> Well, I meant to reply to that: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2007-July/021056.html
18:42:02 <piyo|gnucashWin> ok
19:25:08 <warlord> later all.
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20:39:39 <elb> warlord: I did a complicated split, by the way, which included a 'sell 11 X at pre-split price', 'buy 11 X at post-split price', 'buy 7 Y at post-split price', 'withdraw cash balance from Income:Dividends', 'deposit cash balance to brokerage'
20:40:13 <warlord> elb: do you also take into account the cap-gains from the 'sell' split?
20:40:31 <elb> actually, no, the 'sell 11 X' was at the effective value of the other transactions, not post-split
20:40:37 <elb> heh no, I was just correcting that when you asked :-)
20:40:44 <elb> I'm not sure if I'm going to mess with that
20:41:02 <warlord> If you dont then your balance sheet might be "off". I suggest testing it now to make sure.
20:41:05 <elb> hmmmm but how does that work
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20:41:24 <elb> yeah
20:42:29 <elb> check & repair doesn't complain
20:43:11 <elb> but, yeah, where is that extra cash coming from
20:43:21 <elb> I have other stock transactions that don't explicitly model capital gains, either
20:43:34 <warlord> then your balance sheet will be off.
20:43:38 <elb> buy at X, sell at X + 15% or whatever
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20:43:39 <warlord> C&R doesn't handle that.
20:44:09 <elb> it shows an imbalance of $0
20:44:40 <elb> or, maybe I don't know how to read it
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20:50:28 <warlord> Do the math and see if your Assets - Liabilities = Equity.
20:54:29 <elb> I just read through the tutorial on capital gains, and didn't get how I use it to deal with stocks
20:54:35 <elb> I'll look at the manual again
20:55:36 <elb> no, it's off by a few hundred dollars
20:57:04 <warlord> elb: that's your cap gains..
20:57:18 <warlord> Unfortunately you need to compute them manually and account for them manually.
20:57:30 <elb> that's fine, I understand that, and I don't have a problem with it
20:57:36 <elb> but I don't understand how to *represent* it
20:57:54 <warlord> Income:Cap Gains?
20:57:56 <elb> should I always show, for example, a stock sale as my basis price and a capital gains transfer, rather than the share price?
20:58:03 <warlord> elb: there's an example in the docs.
20:58:14 <elb> I saw the painting example, if that's what you mean
20:58:30 <elb> but that doesn't seem to represent a stock or fund transaction very cleanly
20:58:47 <elb> as one typically thinks of them as a number of shares at a given price
20:59:39 <warlord> Look under "Investments", not "Cap Gains" in the docs.
20:59:40 <warlord> http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/guide/invest-sell1.html
21:01:21 <elb> ahh
21:03:22 <elb> yes, this is much more clear to me :-)
21:04:32 <elb> paying taxes on this transaction is going to rule at the end of the year
21:04:43 <elb> where by "Rule" I mean, I'll never have any idea if I did it right, and hopefully they won't audit
21:09:53 <warlord> Anyways, gotta run! Later.
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21:15:15 <elb> I got it all straightened out, thanks a lot
21:17:44 <elb> I'm still off, but by less
21:20:11 <elb> I think I should be putting my new car somewhere other than "Opening Balances"
21:20:19 <elb> since it makes my total net worth a negative value ;-)
21:21:14 * elb reads the section on mortgages
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21:32:40 <elb> much better
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