2007-07-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:39:43 <zorblek> I've got to go, but I'll check the logs online later. Thanks.
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02:37:21 <Sathamoth> Just installed 2.1.5 from MacPorts with instructions from http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/MacPortsDetail#Current_developer_version
02:37:28 <Sathamoth> On launch I get this error: http://pastebin.com/mc638ee1
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03:03:23 <warlord> use guile1.6
03:03:34 <warlord> Sathamoth: that's to you. check the email archives.
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03:13:29 <Sathamoth> ok, the wiki page should be updated then, because sudo port -f install gnucash-devel will install guile 1.8 over 1.6 ;)
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04:01:16 <Sathamoth> oh, actually the variant (+guile16) is just missing from the instructions of the wiki page.
04:01:24 <Sathamoth> works now :]
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08:39:58 <piyo> greetz and howdy
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08:59:17 <ndlovu> is there a way to enter a foreign exchange payment without opening an account in the foreign currency?
09:00:09 <ndlovu> for example, I live in South Africa and make a $200 purchase with my credit card over the Internet
09:01:08 <ndlovu> I know what the exchange rate is from my bank statement, and that the amount in South African Rand is 1458.76
09:02:16 <ndlovu> so I can easily enough just record it as a transaction of R1458.76 without bothering to include the details of the exchange
09:02:45 <ndlovu> but then the amount won't match the invoice amount, so I'd like to record the transaction somehow...
09:03:29 <ndlovu> I've tried to right-click on the amount and choose edit exchange rate, but nothing happens
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09:04:03 <ndlovu> I presume this is because both accounts are assigned to the same currency
09:04:47 <ndlovu> I suppose I could add a sub-account to my credit card for USD purchases and record it that way, but it seems like a long way around?
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09:10:59 <jsled> ndlovu: I know nothing about multi-currency, but I believe there's a section of the Tutorial and Concepts Guide devoted to it.
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09:15:07 <ndlovu> jsled, yes, I've looked through it and it's not particularly helpful
09:17:24 <chris> ndlovu: you could just record the transaction in Rand, and include the $ amount in the memo, for reference.
09:18:49 <ndlovu> chris, yes, that's pretty much the way I'm leaning...
09:28:46 <ndlovu> actually I did create a USD sub-account on my credit card and it works ok that way, I'm just wondering how it might work with reconciling.
09:29:14 <ndlovu> does the reconciling window include sub-accounts, or just the 'root' account?
09:31:43 <ndlovu> ah, just seen the handy little "include sub-accounts" tick box!
09:34:48 <ndlovu> might be a bit buggy though, I'm not sure the developers really considered sub-accounts in different currencies during reconciliation... it seems to show the USD amount as a Rand amount (ie R200)
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09:50:03 <chris> ndlovu: please file a bug about that
09:50:55 <ndlovu> chris: I'll investigate it a little further and will file a bug if it turns out to be one (might be my ignorance at this stage)
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10:53:24 <warlord> ndlovu: IMHO there's little need to save the USD amount in a simple expense transaction where you know the exchange rate a priori.
10:56:35 <ndlovu> warlord: I agree for my personal context, but I'm also considering using GnuCash to handle the accounts of an NGO I work for, and in that case it's more of an audit consideration.
10:58:51 <warlord> ndlovu: Ahh, yes, in that case you probably do want to record the actual currency of transactions. Gnucash's current multi-currency is really half-baked.
11:00:50 <ndlovu> warlord, it seems that way... so far the only thing stopping me from recommending GC for organisation accounts is the limited multi-currency support, and limited support for cost centres
11:01:36 <warlord> Find some programmer and convince them to work on it. ;)
11:03:16 <ndlovu> warlord, if I bump into any I'll certainly bring it up :)
11:04:14 <warlord> :)
11:04:26 <warlord> Hey, when you have an itch, scratch it. ;)
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13:33:09 <james> How do I update from 2.0.5 to the new stable 2.2?
13:34:44 <jsled> james: what os/distribution are you using?
13:35:14 <james> ubuntu feisty
13:35:15 <jsled> In most cases, the response is going to be: wait until your distribution packages it up and upgrade through your package management system.
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13:36:15 <jsled> If you're interesting in building it yourself, there are some notes at <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building>.
13:37:04 <james> ok thanks. Think I'll probably wait. Hope it updates soon
13:37:28 <jsled> us too. :) Though ... now that gutsy's in-progress, I'd imagine it'll show up there first.
13:37:34 <jsled> Then maybe will get backported.
13:37:47 <jsled> But I'm not too sure how all that works in debian/ubuntu land.
13:38:33 <james> Is gutsy another package manager?
13:39:21 <jsled> No ... Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon
13:40:46 <james> Aaah. Thats gotta be a while yet, feisty not been out long
13:41:02 <jsled> Oct 2007. Ubuntu's on a 6-mo release schedule.
13:41:18 <jsled> Lagging the GNOME release schedule by one month, specifically.
13:41:26 <jsled> (As I'm reading... :)
13:42:00 <james> me too
13:44:08 <james> will waitb and see. Thanks jsled
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16:23:03 <sean> On the "Scheduled Transaction -> Since Last Run..." screen, I see reminders with no amounts; tomorrow is the first day that any of these really come due. What should I expect to see happen?
16:23:30 <sean> Docs aren't very clear... but I'll try to make them moreso after tomorrow. I just want to know what to expect.
16:24:38 <warlord> sean: what version of gnucash?
16:25:55 <sean> 2.2.0
16:25:59 <jsled> sean: there are no amounts in the Since Last Run dialog.
16:26:03 <jsled> Unless you have ad-hoc variables.
16:26:07 <sean> ah
16:26:08 <sean> okay
16:26:14 <sean> Thanks jsled.
16:26:22 <jsled> In which case there still aren't amounts, but prompts to bind amount values to the variables.
16:26:39 <sean> I saw a column called "values" so I didn't know if I should see an amount there or not.
16:26:54 <jsled> Yeah ... that's for the variable values.
16:26:58 <sean> ok
16:27:16 <jsled> There was a thread last month on -devel about that dialog, putting some amount in for the SX, &c.
16:27:48 <jsled> It gets complicated when there's a bunch of splits or formulæ in the template transactions or whatnot ... but in the 80% case, there probably is a good value to put in that dialog.
16:28:06 <sean> I'll check it, and see what I can do to help add or solidify the addition of it.
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17:23:49 <oauto> is there a way to tag a particular type of transaction for trax purposes?
17:23:53 <oauto> s/trax/tax
17:24:29 <oauto> if I have clients that are located in our state I have to pay different taxes than if they are out of state, so I want to run a report once a quarter with all the in-state clients
17:27:39 <warlord> oauto: Um, put those transactions into a different account?
17:35:36 <oauto> warlord: different one than my checking account?
17:37:56 <warlord> no.. Different income/expense accounts
17:38:05 <jsled> warlord: what do you think about 2.2.1 commits ... commit to trunk, with the same 'BP' convention/mechanism?
17:38:43 <warlord> jsled: well, did we want to actually branch for 2.2 yet? I know wilddev did (and didn't tag 2.2.0), but do we really want to keep that?
17:39:16 <jsled> Hmm. I think so.
17:39:42 <jsled> I mean, it might be a bit easier to just commit to trunk, but it's conceptually cleaner to use that branch as-is.
17:40:41 <jsled> The tag I guess we can create with an '@$rev' specification ... the commit messages should have enough info to figure out what revision he used.
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17:42:05 <jsled> I'm hoping to get some forward-looking development going here soon, but it's going to be on a feature branch at the start.
17:43:17 <warlord> In that case, then yes, we should use the same BP construct.
17:43:34 <warlord> Too bad I'm like 200 messages behind on -commits
18:08:46 <jsled> Bah, and of course I forget the 'BP' on the first commmit... :/
18:08:53 <warlord> LOL
18:09:30 <jsled> Oh, and I committed it to the branch, so it's really more of a forward port.
18:09:46 <jsled> But the whole review thing for these is silly anyways.
18:11:13 <warlord> For the .spec change, just go commit it.
18:11:55 <jsled> the rest are similar. copyright year change. "stable=2.2, development=2.4" text change. Disabling the close books/qsf import menu items.
18:13:12 <jsled> I know I don't care about the review, and I doubt anyone else does ... warlord, do you?
18:14:06 <warlord> for these kinds of changes, no.
18:14:52 <jsled> right. thanks. I'm just going to get these all done, then.
18:15:29 <warlord> go ahead.
18:15:36 <warlord> I need to take off shortly.
18:17:45 <warlord> later.
18:17:48 <jsled> take care.
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22:12:21 <dbr> are slib and slib-guile build-time or run-time dependencies?
22:16:28 <chris> dbr: I think they're only run-time.
22:17:10 <dbr> chris: thanks. They used to get dragged in (in fink) with g-wrap. Now I'm trying to figure out where they go
22:17:20 <dbr> in the package description without g-wrap
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23:05:40 <Higgaion> about opening bal... I had a debt on a credit card. i set it as equity:opening bal.
23:05:47 <Higgaion> I then pay off the card.
23:06:30 <Higgaion> It's zeroed out in my list of liabilities, but then by opening bals are still a big negative...
23:06:46 <Higgaion> is this the way it should work?
23:08:10 <warlord> Higgaion: yes.
23:08:32 <warlord> the opening balance is a snapshot in time when you started your accounting. That snapshot doesn't change.
23:08:44 <warlord> Your level of equity does change.. Run the Balance Sheet report.
23:09:25 <Higgaion> so then my "equity" is just always going to be negative?
23:09:35 <Higgaion> ok.
23:09:46 <jsled> That Equity, yes. But that's not "equity". :)
23:10:16 <warlord> right
23:10:18 <jsled> The real equity is a function. That is just an account that's some subset of equity ... in particular, we use it pretty much only for Opening Balance transactions.
23:13:27 <Higgaion> I'm gonna just set it to hidden then. don't want to see red numbers.
23:13:51 <Higgaion> the report says I'm in the *black* now :)
23:14:10 <jsled> woo hoo. :)
23:15:19 <Higgaion> anyone have HBCI set up for ingdirect.com ?
23:16:51 <warlord> yay!
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23:18:15 <warlord> You cant use HBCI there.. HBCI is only in Germany
23:21:16 <Higgaion> right... well thats what the wizard is called. I mean aqofxconnect.
23:21:34 <warlord> Ah, okay.
23:23:15 <Higgaion> it wasn't retrieved by the awesome gedfidata.sh
23:26:11 <Higgaion> woohoo nevermind I found it listed as a brokerage.
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23:36:04 <Higgaion> how to get around yodlee?
23:36:43 <jsled> hmm?
23:39:21 <Higgaion> from here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2
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23:39:47 <Higgaion> says that If the data you are looking at has "Yodlee" in the broker ID, you need to find another OFX tag source
23:39:48 <Higgaion> Yodlee is a branding agent that stands between you and your data. You will need to find the next server down the link list before you will be able to log in via GnuCash/AqBanking.
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23:41:17 * jsled has not a clue
23:41:46 <jsled> ...and continues to read Top Chef recaps at TVwoP
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23:48:38 <dbr> The only way I know around Yodlee is to use Quicken for one connection/attempted connection and read the ofx.log that quicken creates
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23:50:00 <dbr> hmm. just missed him.
23:51:03 <jsled> You got him from my ordering... here's to hope.
23:52:06 <dbr> well, maybe by the length of time it takes to press Return.
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