2007-07-14 GnuCash IRC logs

00:41:07 *** jmgreen has quit IRC
00:41:54 *** fell has quit IRC
00:48:12 *** IanL has quit IRC
00:49:48 *** jakin has quit IRC
00:51:19 *** Geot has joined #gnucash
01:02:37 *** IanL has joined #gnucash
01:24:26 *** dbr has quit IRC
03:34:28 *** ErKa has quit IRC
04:32:03 *** IanL has quit IRC
04:34:30 *** nomeata has joined #gnucash
05:03:25 *** nomeata has quit IRC
05:29:43 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
05:33:35 *** _lasindi has joined #gnucash
05:36:15 *** palatin has joined #gnucash
05:36:20 *** Rolf has joined #gnucash
05:40:51 *** lasindi_ has quit IRC
05:51:09 *** muddoc has left #gnucash
06:13:37 *** cortana has quit IRC
06:28:10 *** IanL has joined #gnucash
06:30:39 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
06:42:36 *** palatin has quit IRC
06:44:03 *** palatin has joined #gnucash
06:44:23 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
07:19:38 *** twunder has quit IRC
07:26:23 *** palatin has quit IRC
07:28:37 *** palatin has joined #gnucash
07:59:58 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:07:17 *** IanL has quit IRC
08:16:54 *** twunder has quit IRC
09:13:00 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
09:36:26 *** johng has joined #gnucash
09:46:08 <johng> Where can I find the GC crash or debug logs on a Windows install?
10:00:38 <johng> OK Found them. Trace files in Docs&Settings\user\localsettings\temp\gnucash.trace.xxxxx
10:06:39 <johng> Having problems with scheduled transactions in GC Windows 2.14. Using accounts file transferred from Linux (Ubuntu) GC1.8. "Since Last Run" window just closes without processing SchedX.
10:07:40 <johng> Bringing the file across was OK, I had to set the language but otherwise the file seems fine, and other transactions, nad reports work OK
10:12:39 *** gunnicom| has joined #gnucash
10:12:39 *** gunnicom_ has quit IRC
11:06:27 *** nbinont has joined #gnucash
11:16:51 *** jmgreen has joined #gnucash
11:21:52 *** IanL has joined #gnucash
11:43:06 *** Wilddev has joined #gnucash
11:43:06 *** gncbot sets mode: +o Wilddev
11:43:36 <Wilddev> morning
11:46:20 *** jmgreen has quit IRC
11:50:09 <nbinont> morning
11:50:18 <Wilddev> hey nathan
11:51:09 <Wilddev> nbinont: so I wanted to ask you about how the docs are included in the windows builds
11:53:41 <nbinont> wilddev: andi5 did the actual coding, but I can give a birds eye-overview
11:54:17 <Wilddev> ok
11:54:30 <nbinont> wilddev: we pull down the latest svn of the docs and prepare them...then that gets included in the binary
11:55:20 <Wilddev> oh, so it automatically grabs them from svn?
11:55:23 <Wilddev> that's cool
11:55:45 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
11:55:48 <warlord> good morning!
11:55:56 <Wilddev> morning derek
11:55:58 <nbinont> morning warlord
11:56:02 <warlord> morning
11:56:31 <Wilddev> in that case I should make a tarball release of the docs today too
11:57:45 <nbinont> wilddev: as far as I can see...the most recent change to the docs that was included in the windows build was r16259
11:58:19 <Wilddev> nbinont: ok, I will change the version to 2.2.0 at least as well
11:59:00 <nbinont> great
12:00:12 <Wilddev> will that mean u need to rebuild the win binary?
12:02:04 <warlord> well, has there been a significant change to the docs since the last docs release?
12:02:10 <nbinont> hmm...are there any changes to the docs ?
12:02:45 <Wilddev> looking at that now...
12:03:27 <Wilddev> nbinont: no change since you built it last nite apart from the version number in configure.in and me releasing a new 2.2.0 tarball
12:04:14 <Wilddev> warlord: yeah there have been a few changes since the last release
12:04:33 *** jmgreen has joined #gnucash
12:04:37 <warlord> have all the reported changes that David Herman sent in been applied to the docs?
12:05:45 <Wilddev> warlord: I'm going thru that now to prepare the release, hopefully he updated it himself
12:08:26 <warlord> I dont think he committed it all
12:08:29 <warlord> But I dont know.
12:08:29 <nbinont> the only thing I can see that might be a bit strange is the revision history shows the latest revision was for 2.0.1, but beyond that I think the docs that are bundled with the windows binary are probably ok
12:09:05 <Wilddev> nbinont: ok
12:09:17 <Wilddev> warlord: ok let me check what is there
12:13:53 <warlord> thanks
12:14:12 <Wilddev> hmm, yeah he never comitted any of his changes to the help
12:14:40 <warlord> Wilddev: wait, did we ever actually have a 2.0 docs "branch"?
12:14:52 <Wilddev> nbinont: I think we need to commit what he's done and make it part of 2.2.0
12:14:55 <Wilddev> warlord: no
12:15:01 <Wilddev> I just made one now
12:15:21 <warlord> Ah, for historical changes?
12:15:26 <Wilddev> to preserve how things were before I make 2.2.0
12:16:55 <nbinont> wilddev: ok...let me know when I can rebuild it.
12:17:08 <Wilddev> nbinont: will do
12:29:56 <warlord> Wilddev: isn't there a tag? Eh, whatever.. Not a big deal.
12:30:18 <Wilddev> warlord: tag for?
12:30:28 <warlord> the 2.0.1 docs release
12:30:38 <Wilddev> hmm I thought I did one...
12:30:46 <Wilddev> so long ago I dont remember
12:31:18 <Wilddev> yeah trac shows one
12:31:24 <Wilddev> wow 9 months ago
12:31:25 <Wilddev> ooop
12:32:10 *** guyforget has joined #gnucash
12:32:54 <warlord> heh
12:47:02 *** palatin has quit IRC
12:58:36 *** jmgreen has quit IRC
13:15:36 <Wilddev> ====================================================
13:15:36 <Wilddev> gnucash-docs-2.2.0 archives ready for distribution:
13:15:36 <Wilddev> gnucash-docs-2.2.0.tar.gz
13:15:36 <Wilddev> ====================================================
13:15:44 <Wilddev> nbinont: you can rebuild it now
13:16:23 *** swegner has joined #gnucash
13:16:33 <warlord> Oh, the first build was broken?
13:17:08 <Wilddev> warlord: apparently it grabs the latest -docs svn, I just comitted the changes for -docs 2.2.0
13:17:16 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
13:17:28 <Wilddev> which included the last changes dave made to the help
13:17:47 <swegner> Hi, I'm just getting started with GNUCash (2.0.5 on ubuntu feisty), and am having trouble importing from QIF. Are there any known issues importing Chase-bank QIF files?
13:17:50 <warlord> Oh, DOCS..
13:18:13 <warlord> swegner: not specifically.. what's the error?
13:18:34 <swegner> QIF file load failed: File does not appear to be a QIF file.
13:18:37 *** kam has quit IRC
13:19:28 <Wilddev> pffft, wouldn't ya know it I'm getting 50K upload to the gnucash ftp now
13:19:31 <nbinont> wilddev: build starting...whoa and there it goes! ;)
13:19:49 <Wilddev> nbinont: there what goes?
13:19:52 <warlord> swegner: well, what's the first few lines of the file?
13:20:43 <guyforget> swenger, I use chase for my credit card. try doing "intuit quicken web connect QFX" when you download the data from chase's website. I have had luck using that
13:21:08 <nbinont> wilddev: the build...is going=running...sorry I'm in a strangely upbeat mood right now
13:21:17 <Wilddev> lol
13:22:00 <Wilddev> nbinont: are you going to upload it to the gnucash ftp or just sf?
13:22:45 <warlord> Wilddev: nbinont doesn't have access to gnucash.org
13:22:53 <nbinont> off wilddev: well, seeing I don't have access to gnucash ftp, just sf
13:23:09 <Wilddev> hmm didnt know that
13:23:19 <warlord> guyforget: that wouldn't be QIF, that would be OFX/QFX
13:23:22 *** twunder has quit IRC
13:23:28 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
13:23:50 <swegner> warlord: i've pasted it here: http://rafb.net/p/egBpkN62.html
13:24:01 <chris> warlord: I think guyforget was just suggesting that Chase supports OFX.
13:24:06 <Wilddev> nbinont: you should be able to put it in the incoming directory and I could move it
13:24:14 <warlord> swegner: it's missing a !Type
13:24:28 <warlord> Add !Type:Bank to the top of the file
13:24:49 <Wilddev> depends if we wanna do that or just let ppl go to sf I suppose
13:25:34 <warlord> Well, we should encourage people to download from SF.
13:26:12 <nbinont> wilddev: I currently have the old 2.2.0 compile (last night) on the sourceforge incoming directory. I'll replace it with the new build when it's ready.
13:26:21 <Wilddev> ok
13:26:40 <Wilddev> nbinont: do you have admin access to the sf file upload pages?
13:27:05 <swegner> warlord: that appears to have worked. is this something I'll need to do everytime I import?
13:27:07 <warlord> Wilddev: define "admin access"? He can upload to sf.
13:27:30 <Wilddev> warlord: that means he can create a release and move it to the gnucash ftp folders there
13:27:35 <warlord> swegner: yes, because Chase is giving you broken QIF.. EVENTUALLY we'll fix that.
13:27:46 <warlord> Wilddev: yes, he's a release engineer in SF.
13:27:51 <Wilddev> ok cool
13:28:08 <swegner> warlord: sounds good. thanks for your help :)
13:28:35 *** twunder has quit IRC
13:28:41 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
13:29:27 <warlord> youre welcome
13:29:40 *** twunder has quit IRC
13:29:48 *** swegner has left #gnucash
13:30:13 <guyforget> warlord: i know, but the QFX file imports just as well (for me anyway)
13:31:21 <warlord> oh, sure
13:31:57 <guyforget> actually i guess it imports better since swegner's qif file was broken. Chase also supports direct connect if he can get it set up correctly (which is the big problem :) )
13:34:15 <warlord> heh
13:35:13 <Wilddev> nbinont: ok I created the 2.2.0 release on sf, you can just add the files to it when ur ready
13:35:14 <johng> Can I import a GC1.8 Linus (Ubuntu) Data File into GC2.14 Windows?
13:35:36 <guyforget> 2.2 coming out today i guess? how exciting :)
13:36:45 <nbinont> wilddev: ok, it'll probably be a couple hours.
13:37:50 <jsled> johng: (linux, and 2.1.4.) It should just open; what's the trouble?
13:38:30 <nbinont> guyforget: actually it's pre-release work - the anouncement is planned for tomorrow
13:38:39 <johng> GC crashes when I run the Scheduled transactions
13:38:49 <jsled> What's on the console/in gnucash.trace?
13:38:57 <jsled> Can you http://pastebin.ca/ it?
13:40:09 <johng> I get things like
13:40:11 <Wilddev> nbinont: thx, I'll send out the release announcement this evening then
13:40:11 <johng> * WARN <qof.engine> [guid_init()] only got 1756 bytes.
13:40:14 <johng> The identifiers might not be very random.
13:40:14 <johng> * WARN <gnc.engine> failed to load gnc-backend-postgres from E:\Program Files\1-MajorApps\gnucash\lib\gnucash
13:40:16 <johng> * WARN <gnc.app-util> Could not spawn perl: Failed to execute child process (Invalid argument)
13:40:17 <johng> Then one of these for each SX
13:40:19 <johng> * WARN <gnc.backend.file.sx> saw freqspec in version 2 sx [PhoneBill]
13:40:22 <jsled> johng: please pastebin.
13:40:46 *** IanL has quit IRC
13:40:53 <johng> pastebin?
13:40:53 <guyforget> nbinont, cool thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to trying gnucash out again when it's released
13:41:01 <jsled> http://pastebin.ca/
13:41:27 <Wilddev> in the mean time I'm off
13:41:37 <Wilddev> talk to you all later
13:41:54 <johng> OK I'll paste the Trace(s) there hang on . . .
13:42:12 *** Wilddev has quit IRC
13:44:51 <johng> jsled: see http://pastebin.ca/619365
13:46:00 <jsled> The "version 2 sx" lines mean that the datafile was saved with gnucash-2.1.(>3) ... are you sure it's a datafile from gnucash-1.8?
13:46:07 <jsled> Because, well, it's not.
13:46:29 <jsled> But there's nothing else in gnucash.trace or on the console after this? And gnucash just crashes?
13:52:09 <johng> I have a larger trace from a previous attempt http://pastebin.ca/619372
13:53:52 <johng> I have been using GC1.8 on Ubuntu 5x for some time. I saw the windows release and tried it. I pulled my data file across, and opened it in GCwin2.14. It asked for the Text code check which I did.
13:54:07 <jsled> hmm. Well, there's that null-guid sx around line 2287. But that shouldn't make it crash. I'd imagine some of the date-related problems after that might be related.
13:54:14 <jsled> After you've stayed with 2.1.4 on windows since?
13:55:10 <johng> Well, I had to get some stuff done, so I did that back in Linux. I'm trying to reolve this issue, and then I can bring my latest file in again
13:55:40 <jsled> So you copied the 2.1.4-saved file from windows to linux, opening it with 2.0.5?
13:56:28 <johng> I did pick up on that, and I usually have my Windows date set to dd/MMM/yy, I did try setting it to US standard amd tried again but got the some results more or less.
13:56:44 <jsled> huh?
13:56:48 <jsled> pick up on what?
13:57:00 <johng> No, I just continued to use my original file in Linux
13:58:00 <johng> Re the dates. I also noticed that and tried with US date settings to no avail.
13:58:11 <jsled> Ah.
13:58:58 <jsled> Well, at this point, I think you need to reproduce the crash under gdb to get more detail.
13:59:09 <jsled> Or maybe send the file to me privately to see if I can reproduce.
13:59:50 *** cortana has quit IRC
14:00:40 <johng> I'm happy to send you the file, what's best method?
14:01:46 <warlord> okay, I'm off to the airport. Later, all
14:01:51 <jsled> warlord: take care.
14:02:02 <warlord> talk to you all tonight'
14:02:44 <johng> Ok let me zip a pack for you, I'll include the current Linux file, a freshly converted windows file, and the current windows file.
14:03:21 <jsled> oh, that'd be great.
14:03:23 *** warlord has quit IRC
14:12:21 <johng> OK those are on the way, I'll try again and collect a matching data file and trace file
14:13:55 <johng> I'll have to reboot to linux to do that, see you shortly
14:15:34 *** johng has quit IRC
14:42:06 *** gunnicom| has quit IRC
14:48:04 *** johng has joined #gnucash
14:52:25 <johng> How can I get GC to start up in Windows without opening a file?
14:55:13 <chris> johng: can you run it from a command line with --nofile?
14:56:37 <johng> I dont think so. I had a look in Program FIles, and there seems to be a quite complex Batch file startup procedure, no simply executing the Exe
14:58:16 <johng> Theres a load of stuff about Guile, and eventually "start gnucash-bin"
15:01:06 <chris> johng: well, you could temporarily rename the file it's trying to open.
15:02:43 <johng> Yep I guess that would do it. I wondered if there was an equivalent to using the --nofile as I do for Linux, I've kinda gotten used to it.
15:33:38 <johng> jsled: I've done a more structured test, the results of which are on their way to you, with a detailed description, I hope you will find this better to troubleshoot.
15:51:14 *** sjc has joined #gnucash
15:52:34 *** palatin has joined #gnucash
16:23:07 *** jsled has quit IRC
16:26:01 <leonardof> Good morning/afternoon/night/evening
16:26:31 <leonardof> what's the status of the 2.2 release? is there any time left to include some translation?
16:27:57 <leonardof> nevermind, just read the "NEWS" file.
16:35:40 *** nbinont has quit IRC
16:37:51 <chris> leonardof: don't worry too much; there's bound to be a 2.2.1 soon enough.
16:38:50 <leonardof> chris: besides completing the translation, we (pt_BR) have to do some quality assurance. How much time do you think we'll have until 2.2.1?
16:39:01 <leonardof> btw, thanks
16:39:49 <chris> leonardof: I don't know for sure, but I'd guess at least 2 weeks.
16:39:56 <leonardof> chris: thanks
16:40:11 <chris> np
16:46:08 *** jsled has joined #gnucash
16:46:09 *** gncbot sets mode: +o jsled
16:53:03 *** jsled has quit IRC
16:53:43 *** jsled has joined #gnucash
16:53:44 *** gncbot sets mode: +o jsled
16:57:15 *** rbparten has joined #gnucash
16:57:20 <rbparten> Hello all
16:57:47 <rbparten> In regards to how gnucash handles things, it is month to month correct? It will automatically create a new month for me to do financies in?
16:58:29 <rbparten> and also, how would I go backwards so that I can have reports done for January until now?
16:58:42 <jsled> Gnucash simply keeps a list of transactions; it does not handle closing out the books per year or per month.
16:58:56 <jsled> The reports can generally be window'ed to a specific (monthly) time range.
16:59:12 <jsled> To go "backwards", just enter the historical transactions that you wish to account for.
17:00:06 <rbparten> oh
17:00:13 <rbparten> so for each month I need to create a new file
17:00:23 <chris> rbparten: also, there's a "Reconcile" feature that ensures that your records agree with your banks every month.
17:00:31 <rbparten> and name it like 'AHSLLC01/07'
17:00:33 <jsled> No. you can just enter all the transactions for all months in the same file.
17:00:50 <rbparten> Hmmm
17:00:51 <jsled> In fact, if you enter the transactions into seperate monthly files, you can't report on them.
17:00:56 <rbparten> I guess I have a lot to learn then
17:01:15 <rbparten> I was having trouble learning quickbooks (partially due to no time)
17:01:26 <rbparten> is this a little more difficult or the same?
17:03:23 <rbparten> Also, where is the option to make an invoice?
17:03:32 <rbparten> One more thing...is gnucash ported to Windows to use for my wife?>
17:03:48 <jsled> I've never used quickbooks.
17:03:58 <rbparten> REally
17:04:10 <rbparten> People called me crazy for looking for an alternative
17:04:12 <jsled> Invoices are available in the business features; IIRC you need to create a Job first; see the docs.
17:04:21 <rbparten> said that "Quickbooks is in ALL businesses"
17:04:47 <jsled> The first "stable" release for windows will be made tomorrow, in fact. 2.2.0.
17:05:00 <jsled> There are 2.1.x ("unstable"/betas) available presently.
17:05:34 <johng> As a non accountant I have found GC pretty easy to use.
17:06:22 <johng> You do need to "get your head around" however the included help file / or manual is very nicely done with a very practical approach, lots of examples and tutorials.
17:07:03 <johng> I have also found it very flexible, and easy to mould it to your purposes.
18:03:02 *** palatin has quit IRC
18:04:11 *** johng has quit IRC
18:19:26 *** ErKa has quit IRC
18:50:44 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
19:02:23 *** twunder has quit IRC
19:34:18 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
20:45:33 *** Demitar has quit IRC
21:17:19 *** Rolf has quit IRC
21:19:50 *** sjc has quit IRC
21:32:35 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
22:16:21 *** IanL has joined #gnucash
22:53:18 *** twunder has quit IRC