2007-07-02 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:31:51 <sorush20> hi I need to put together a how to : for doing the financial statement of a small limited company in the uk via gnucash. can anyone help. email me sorush.nazari@gmail.com
00:32:33 <sorush20> first I need to find out what needs to be in a financial statement.
00:32:47 <sorush20> is there a profit and loss account report in tgnucash.
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07:14:05 <warlord> sorush20: this probably isn't the right forum to ask those questions.
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10:12:14 <jsled> warlord: supybot yes, though I didn't see it'd been started, and started a second one accidentally.
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10:14:06 <Wilddev> hi jsled
10:14:31 <jsled> hey Wilddev.
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12:01:32 <sorush20> is there anyone who is in the uk
12:01:42 <sorush20> here
12:05:27 <sorush20> is the a profit and loss report
12:06:02 <warlord> sorush20: PnL was renamed Income Statement
12:06:29 <Wilddev> hey warlord
12:06:36 <warlord> hiya Wilddev
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12:15:34 <sorush20> its dosent' look like the pnl I'm learning about
12:19:00 <warlord> Are you complaining about hte formatting or the actual content?
12:19:42 <sorush20> content
12:20:23 <sorush20> there is no add purchases and lee opening sctock and gross profit and net profit
12:20:32 <sorush20> its just a list of accounts and their values.
12:20:45 <sorush20> less opening stock
12:21:27 <warlord> "add purchases"? "lee opening sctock[sic]"?
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12:22:07 <warlord> There IS gross revenue and Net Profit. What's "gross profit"?
12:23:05 <sorush20> http://www.bizhelp24.com/accounting/the-profit-loss-account-5.html
12:24:12 <warlord> Ahh, gnucash doesn't do COGS
12:24:50 <warlord> at least, not specifically.
12:25:16 <sorush20> what is cogs ?
12:25:32 <warlord> I'll also point out that pretty much each of those items on that page ARE effectively accounts..
12:25:40 <warlord> Cost Of Goods Sold.
12:30:19 <warlord> but yes, the income statement looks very much like that page.. Just the labels are different.
12:46:20 <palatin> I began to translate gnucash's help into French, a lot of people are interested, so I would like to know if collaborative translation would be in the scope of Gnucash's wiki
12:48:33 <Wilddev> no, the help is in svn not in the wiki
12:49:46 <palatin> would it be fine if I used a wiki outsite the main site in order to do collaborative translation ?
12:50:00 <palatin> outside
12:50:53 <Wilddev> sure, just make sure you email gnucash-devel
12:52:42 <warlord> And make sure you send the translation back in patches.
12:53:15 <palatin> sure. I take it it's fine to adapt the translation for French accounting
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12:54:29 <warlord> Of course.
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13:35:02 <jsled> woo hoo.
13:53:09 <warlord> woohoo?
13:53:15 <jsled> 2.1.5 release.
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13:53:54 <warlord> Ah
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14:24:36 <jschavey> hi, I'm trying to setup online banking, and I'm not sure where to find the information I need
14:25:14 <warlord> jschavey: Try the wiki?
14:25:33 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2 in particular.
14:26:13 <jschavey> must have missed that part, I"ll check it out, thank you
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14:31:44 <jschavey> any idea on how to find connection settings for LaSalle Bank? They are not listed here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings
14:32:49 <warlord> jschavey: Follow the links to another site..
14:33:39 <jschavey> I'm sorry, what links?
14:35:03 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2 pounts to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Finding_OFX_Info_With_Quicken for example
14:36:03 <warlord> And also http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings has a link to "download everything"
14:36:14 <jsled> I just made that a bit more prominent.
14:36:32 <jsled> (as it's own <h>eading, rather than just bolded.
14:36:33 <jsled> )
14:37:44 <jschavey> I'm running windows, the download everything link is for linux users, correct?
14:42:01 <warlord> I closed my window.
14:42:09 <warlord> If you're running windows then install quicken.
14:44:06 <jsled> I'd guess that hte script would run on cygwin if the same tools (wget/curl, tidy, libxml) were installed; I believe they're all available.
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14:52:27 <darrenoh> I would like to allow multiple people to work on the same set of accounts. What is the status of GnuCash database support?
14:52:53 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Can_I_use_GnuCash_with_multiple_users.3F__Maybe_via_the_SQL_backend.3F
14:53:30 <jsled> (also, <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Is_the_Postgres_DB_.2F_SQL_backend_supported.3F>, above that one)
15:05:09 <sorush20> how many years as an estimate would it take for gnucash to be as good as sage
15:06:20 <warlord> sorush20: How much money are you willing to throw at the problem?
15:06:27 * warlord has never used SAGE, so... No clue.
15:06:47 <sorush20> well it probably has about 200 different reports..
15:07:16 <sorush20> £1000
15:09:55 <sorush20> warlord: .
15:10:50 <jsled> So, that'll buy maybe 2 weeks of developer time.
15:11:16 <jsled> Maybe more. Regardless, it's probably not going to make a dent in the feature gap.
15:11:31 <jsled> I don't know sage, either.
15:12:06 <jsled> But I'd guess that scoping it in "years" is about right. :)
15:12:33 <sorush20> damn
15:12:46 <sorush20> is the interest in the project growning
15:12:48 <warlord> sorush20: yeah, you're off by about two zeros (at least)
15:14:09 <sorush20> dose anyone here run a limited company and use gnucash only ?
15:14:26 <warlord> Yes, I do
15:14:48 <palatin> same here
15:16:08 <sorush20> what are the main reports that you send to companies house each year?
15:16:14 <sorush20> using gnucash
15:17:26 <palatin> well, none because I'm french
15:18:39 <palatin> it does not imply that french people are stupid, but rather that I cannot send compliant reports to the fiscal administration
15:18:56 <palatin> through Gnucash
15:19:07 <sorush20> I guess what would be a great idea if there could be a how to: for what you do each year to fulfill the companies house requierments. That would mean I would probably use gnucash instead of piret copy of sage
15:19:35 <sorush20> palatin: not through gnucash itself but rather via
15:19:43 <cortilap> your ISP's web page is the weirdest ever
15:20:03 <sorush20> cortilap: me?
15:20:20 <warlord> sorush20: "companies house"?
15:20:23 <cortilap> yeah :)
15:20:32 <cortilap> warlord, it's where limited companies in the UK send their accounts
15:20:56 <jsled> yeah, that's weird, indeed.
15:21:14 <warlord> ahh, we dont have anything like that here in the US.. And I dont send the gov't anything that comes out of gnucash. I send my Balance Sheet, Income Statement, and a full Transaction report for the year to my accountant to do my yearly taxes.
15:21:54 <cortilap> might be one for the mailing list perhaps?
15:21:55 <sorush20> warlord: I missunderstood your .. I thought you said you were from the UK
15:22:28 <warlord> No, I live in Massachusetts, USA
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16:29:51 <palatin> Is Gnucash tied enough to gnome to consider using gnome-doc-utils ?
16:31:19 <jsled> I don't know anything about gnome-doc-utils. What would it do for us?
16:32:01 <palatin> help translation by using po files for help docs
16:32:05 <jsled> it looks like it has "xml2po", which might be useful for the schemata....
16:32:32 <jsled> Hmm.
16:32:54 <jsled> I wonder if it would.
16:33:26 <palatin> I'm not sure it can handle images
16:33:29 <jsled> I mean, right now it's "as easy" as "copy the existing docbook and start translating.
16:33:32 <jsled> "
16:33:59 <jsled> But I don't know anything about translating and the workflow thereof. Maybe it is much easier if the content is in PO files.?
16:34:29 <jsled> Right now we have 2 help files, which I think is one too many.
16:34:48 <jsled> Especially since the more traditional one is basically just an enumeration of the menus. :(
16:34:52 <palatin> There are nice gui tools like poedit
16:36:00 <jsled> palatin: Do you know what the "docbook xslt" from gdu is/does?
16:36:11 <palatin> I mean, I spoke to a number of people who would like to help translating, but can't handle xml files
16:36:29 <palatin> not yet ^^
16:38:35 <jsled> Hmm. DocBook -> Scrollkeeper.
16:38:40 <jsled> And DocBook -> HTML.
16:39:00 <jsled> Which, I'd imagine, is what we use now...
16:39:13 <palatin> a killer feature is the ease to track changes
16:40:47 <jsled> ...with something like poedit, or?
16:48:08 <palatin> well, good question, I guess intltool
16:48:50 <palatin> anyway, I will perhaps try and do this, and if it helps translations, send a patch
16:48:54 <jsled> Sorry, I don't understand... "the ease to track changes" where?
16:49:20 <palatin> in the original help files
16:50:14 <jsled> Well, patches are good. You might want to bring it up on gnucash-devel ... solicit some opinion from cstim in particular, and other translators generally.
16:50:36 <palatin> thanks for the advice, I will do this
16:51:11 <jsled> I'd probably focus on the tutorial and concepts guide <http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash-docs/trunk/guide> rather than the "help", since it's way more useful.
16:51:28 <jsled> Though it's probably tougher, since it's more accounting practices ... which are much more locale specific. :(
16:51:49 <jsled> Which is another general issue we have.
16:53:01 <palatin> I guess it is, but half a dozen people on the french mailing list are ready to help, some have accounting knowledge, but can't speak English at all
16:53:20 <jsled> But, I'd really like to see the help and the guide come together somehow. Like, the descriptions of the menu items would link to relevant "accounting" documentation.
16:53:27 <palatin> and most are unable to work with xml and ask plain files to translate
16:53:37 <jsled> Of course, that's just a different thing ... /me rambles.
16:53:39 <jsled> Ah, I see.
16:54:00 <palatin> thus the reason for po files, which are easier to handle
16:54:11 <palatin> or so I was said
16:54:39 <jsled> Yeah. I seems like the xml2po or docbook2po stuff could be a good idea.
16:54:54 <jsled> If they want to help, btw, we do have the website content already in PO files to translate.
16:55:16 <jsled> http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/htdocs/trunk/
16:55:18 <palatin> If I understand correctly you would like to merge both help documents somehow ?
16:55:28 <palatin> sweet !
16:56:02 <jsled> (though there's no longer very much content on the website, but IIRC what content there is is not translated)
16:57:04 <jsled> Yeah, but I'm not sure how. I mean ... "use the account tree and register" (Help) isn't much different from "enter a transaction" (Guide).
16:57:10 <palatin> They seem more concerned with the correctness of the translation
16:57:31 <jsled> Yeah. I'm off on my own thing, now. :)
16:57:55 <jsled> Nevermind that. Getting PO files from the existing files is the right first step. :)
16:58:30 <palatin> it shoud be pretty straightforward with xml2po
16:58:51 <palatin> It will play with it this week
16:59:06 <jsled> Looks like. If you do formulate a patch, note that we generally don't depend on "current" gnome libs and packages.
16:59:07 <palatin> I
16:59:52 <jsled> We generally work with what the major distros released at least 6 months ago. Though this is more of a developer/buildtime thing, where that restriction does't mean as much.
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17:02:14 <palatin> I will try to keep this in mind
17:14:24 <palatin> good night
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19:52:33 <funky3k> hey, no bugs to report, but I just wanted to say (if any devs are here) that after a month of using GnuCash that I really like the software and grats on the 2.1.5 release. Thanks!
19:55:59 <warlord> Thanks, funky3k
19:56:05 <warlord> Glad you've not hit any bugs!
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23:21:20 <Gootch> Where can I get the windows binary? i can't seem to find it on sf
23:23:09 <warlord> It's on SF, under "unstable"
23:23:11 <Gootch> nm, i found one in 2.1.4... the main gnucash website i think is wrong
23:23:21 <Gootch> the announcement today mentions 2.1.5 has a binary
23:23:42 <Gootch> (and the link is broken)
23:23:51 <warlord> There's no 2.1.5 binary, yet
23:23:58 <Gootch> ok... sounds good
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23:25:47 <warlord> there should be a 2.1.5 binary in a day or three.
23:25:57 <Gootch> perfect... thanks :)
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