2007-06-30 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:25:03 <jsled> Oh man ... just one more, and we're at 500 (open) bugs!
09:25:17 <jsled> Woo hoo! Come on bug-filers!
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10:50:15 <jsled> oblique gnucash reference: http://www.michaeldolan.com/913
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13:07:59 <dnajd> hello?
13:09:27 <dnajd> Here's my question: I recently installed GNUCash and entered all my financial data. I created a budget and entered in all my expenses as they will happen over time. I want to run a report that shows me if at any point in the budget period my cash flow is going to fall into the negative. Is this possible
13:09:43 <dnajd> ?
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14:20:53 <chris> dnajd: I can't think of any easy way to do that.
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15:15:34 <dnajd> in the documentation it talks about a "cash flow budget"
15:15:47 <dnajd> I believe this is what I'm trying to do
15:16:13 <dnajd> if I could run the cash flow report on the "budget" I could see if it runs negative
15:16:27 <dnajd> is there a way to do that?
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17:26:43 <dnajd> Question: Is there any way to view a cash flow report on a Budget instead of on "Accounts" tab information?
17:40:38 <dnajd> Who works on the Budget functionality and may i email them a question?
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21:37:10 <dnajd> I'd like to suggest a feature for GNUCash... who should I write to?
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21:41:00 <dnajd> sorry dropped out... again who would I write to request a feature
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22:00:46 <chris> dnajd: no one currently "works on" the budget functionality.
22:01:24 <chris> I wrote it, and I try to improve it when I get time, but it's not near the top of my todo list.
22:01:57 <chris> dnajd: you're welcome to file a Request For Enhancement in our bugzilla.
22:04:57 <chris> dnajd: however, the ways to get it implemented, in decreasing order of effectiveness, are 1) submit a patch, 2) put a significant bounty on the feature, 3) hang around, helping out however you can until someone gets to it, or 4) just wait.
23:23:00 <dnajd> hi chris
23:23:09 <dnajd> thanks for the advice and thanks for building that functionality
23:23:28 <dnajd> gnucash is really awesome and I even learned a lot from the documentation about general finace concepts
23:24:01 <dnajd> are you suggesting I can pay to get this feature? If this one feature were there, GNUCash would do everything I need and more
23:27:14 <chris> dnajd: you're welcome.
23:27:54 <chris> paying for features by putting a bounty on them has worked in the past, but not every time.
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23:29:06 <chris> In general, the feature has to be generally recognized as desireable; feasible; and not too difficult.
23:29:20 <chris> (to implement, I mean.)
23:30:32 <chris> And the bounty value has to be enough to change someone's priorities. It's a tough set of conditions to meet.
23:31:35 <dnajd> I just posted my request in bugzilla
23:32:08 <dnajd> I hope it is easy to understand. I program.. mostly in java / C#, and my understanding is this software is written in C. Is this correct?
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23:32:43 <dnajd> Also this feature seems simple from the outside, but you'll have to let me know what you think?
23:33:54 <chris> dnajd: yes, mostly C, although the reports are in scheme.
23:35:13 <dnajd> If you have a moment, could you glance at the request and tell me how much work you think it is? "Bug 452716 ? Budget Feature for personal finances"
23:35:24 <dnajd> it's not a bug
23:35:28 <dnajd> I think it added that to the title
23:35:30 <dnajd> :)
23:36:15 <dnajd> I'm halfway considering learning C... maybe this would make a good project?
23:36:43 <dnajd> or is this too much for a beginner with C, experienced with OOP languages?
23:38:17 <chris> dnajd: it's more work than it sounds like.
23:39:33 <chris> dnajd: for example, you have to consider, what about people who want to budget using asset accounts? the accumulation doesn't really work there.
23:40:22 <chris> dnajd: also, which currency should the summary be shown in? Income/expense accounts may be in several different currencies.
23:42:37 <chris> dnajd: also, I know that it would be convenient to see that info while entering the budget, but it's really _reporting_ information. Architecturally, it belongs in a report, and there's not a really nice way to coordinate the reporting with the entry.
23:43:54 <dnajd> as a report it would be difficult as well?
23:44:08 <chris> dnajd: It'd probably be easy for you to learn C, but that doesn't mean it'd be easy to figure out gnucash's internals.
23:44:30 <chris> dnajd: no, with a report, it'd be easier.
23:45:01 <chris> the reports already have some ways of reporting multi-currency information, for example.
23:45:43 <dnajd> is it easy enough that your team, as busy as they are... might do it?
23:45:43 <dnajd> :)
23:46:04 <dnajd> I'm assuming at this point htere is no existing way to get the same information?
23:46:06 <chris> however, the reports are in scheme, which doesn't seem to be on anybody's list-of-languages-i'd-like-to-learn.
23:46:15 <dnajd> totally. LOL
23:47:24 <chris> dnajd: It's unlikely that any of the current devs would implement that soon. Quite frankly, there are _much_ bigger fish to fry.
23:47:42 <dnajd> I thought that might be the case. :(
23:47:50 <dnajd> is there any way to export the budget into CSV?
23:48:04 <dnajd> so I could do some manual minipulation in spreadsheet without doing the data entry?
23:48:37 <chris> dnajd: well, you can export the budget report as HTML.
23:49:20 <chris> your spreadsheet program might be clever enough to import it.
23:51:55 <dnajd> oh awesome, that might work...
23:53:05 <dnajd> is it the "budget report" you're referring to?
23:53:43 <dnajd> and then pressing "export"
23:54:26 <chris> it sounds like that might be what I'm talking about. :)
23:55:21 <dnajd> thank you for taking the time for this!!!!
23:55:56 <chris> dnajd: np, (I'm waiting for code to build.)
23:56:55 <dnajd> I've never spoke with someone who actually contributes to an open source project and I'm curious how much time you all put into this?
23:57:12 <dnajd> Is it related to what you do for work, or purely a side project.
23:57:18 <dnajd> <- if you don't mind me asking.
23:57:52 <dnajd> I'm only recently into FreeBSD and java... moving over from .net and microsoft career