2007-06-20 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:01:54 <warlord> Almost less than zero! :)
00:06:57 <foo> Hm, I use 2checkout for receiving some payments... and say I want to add a transaction in 2checkout register that has funds go from 2checkout to bank account. 2checkout reports sending money on a day, and my bank statement reports it actually taking place the following day... in order to correctly log this in gnucash, what should I do? I believe there is an "n" and "c" for the R column I should utilize for this, right?
00:07:03 <foo> Or wrong?
00:08:41 <warlord> foo: correct, but feel free to log it when you THINK you have the money.
00:09:00 <warlord> (if it's purely electronic, then do it when you see confirmation, either from your bank or otherwise)
00:10:13 <foo> hmm, from the looks of it, my bank always reports it being done a day later
00:12:50 <warlord> okay.
00:16:38 <bonez39> warlord, gnucash has certainly evolved a bit over the past 2 years....it's impressive
00:16:57 <warlord> bonez39: hopefully it's evolved in a good way
00:17:57 <foo> Nope, it's terrible
00:18:05 <foo> Just don't tell the devs and we can talk behind their backs
00:18:09 <bonez39> warlord, well, it seems so to me...
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00:18:36 <warlord> :)
00:18:41 <foo> warlord: :P
00:19:44 <warlord> :-D
00:20:46 <foo> Hm, gnucash doesn't log when a transaction has "n" selected in the row, and when "c" is selected, right? eg. I can't really specify n on one date, and c on the other... it's just for my sake so I know if it's cleared or not, eh?
00:21:32 <warlord> I dont think gnucash keeps track of the "cleared date", only "reconciled date" (and post date, and entered-date)
00:24:08 <foo> gotcha, then I don't think book keeping will matter if I'm 1 day off between the time 2checkout says they sent the money and my bank received it. Cool, I didn't want to note that anyways
00:24:11 <foo> hehe, thanks :)
00:24:54 <warlord> 1 day isn't a big deal, anyways.
00:33:41 * foo nods
00:33:50 <foo> Hm, is there a reason there isn't an auto save feature in gnucash?
00:36:00 <warlord> because it's easy to click the "save" button.
00:36:43 <foo> Except if gnucash (or my system) crashes and I can't
00:37:31 <warlord> well, worst case you've lost one transaction.
00:38:46 <foo> Not if I've spent an hour inputting stuff... and I don't think manually saving every 2 minutes is very productive :) (especially when it takes a few seconds to save)
00:39:04 <foo> Anywho, was just curious... I'm sure my reasoning makes sense
00:39:33 <warlord> well, the long-term solution is to migrate to SQLite
00:40:28 <foo> oh, I see. So write now things are flat file based, SQLite = a light MySQL database engine or something?
00:43:33 <warlord> well, not MySQL...
00:44:01 <foo> oh, just something else? (I've never heard of it)
00:44:27 <warlord> www.sqlite.org
00:44:29 <bonez39> warlord, gnucash employes MySQL, right?
00:44:35 <warlord> bonez39: nope
00:44:41 <bonez39> or are you saying it can use other rdms
00:44:45 <warlord> nope
00:45:03 <bonez39> oh..I am confused now
00:45:04 <warlord> there was a postgres backend many moons ago, bit it's bit-rotted. hasn't been maintained since 1.6
00:48:52 <bonez39> so, does gnucash have its own proprietary database engine?
00:49:05 <warlord> no.
00:49:08 <warlord> it's a flat file.
00:49:12 <warlord> (well, XML)
00:49:58 <bonez39> does that mean over time, as information managed by gnucash grows...it will slow down access and reads/writes?
00:51:59 <warlord> yep
00:52:05 <warlord> linear at best.
00:53:58 <bonez39> I just read that Intuit is releasing a server version of Quickbooks .. to run on linux.but not on desktop..just on servers....and still have to access it from windows desktops...
00:54:42 <warlord> right.. not much of a show for linux, i'm afraid.
00:54:56 <warlord> show me quickbooks on the linux desktop and I'll buy that Intuit has accepted Linux
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00:55:20 <bonez39> apparently they wont' port it, cause the consumer base hasn't demanded it....from intuit...
00:57:02 <warlord> uhuh.. sure..
00:57:08 <warlord> (to them,not to you)
00:58:51 <bonez39> yeah
01:21:53 <warlord> okay, bedtime for me.
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02:58:06 <foo> Hm, I'm doing some accounting... and it looks like some checks that I wrote in 2006 were cashed in 2007... and I reported them in 2006 fiscal year.... but, I want to keep gnucash accurate with my bank statement (or close) ... if I was going to do an withdrawal and put the amount on the check, what transfer account should I use? Maybe, opening balances? That's the only thing I can think of (so it doesn't get logged somewhere else and throw ...
02:58:12 <foo> ... something off)
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10:03:28 <warlord> you wrote it in 2006; it cleared in 2007. So the post date is 2006, the cleared/reconciled date is 2007.
10:03:39 <warlord> foo: that was to you
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14:30:10 <foo> warlord: hm, right, but I thought gnucash doesn't ... wait, post date on a simple transaction? Hm
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14:43:46 <warlord> yeah, every txn has a post date -- you see it in the register. thsat's the date the money was promised.
14:51:09 <foo> warlord: FWIW, I went back to fluxbox (used to be on this for years), after using beryl for 6+ months... and, well, I don't miss beryl as much as I thought I would.
14:51:28 <foo> warlord: ah, ok, then how would I set the reconciled date?
14:51:51 <cstim> warlord: hi, how are you?
14:52:25 <warlord> foo: you run the reconcile process. Click on "reconcile"
14:52:36 <foo> warlord: ahh, ok
14:52:44 <warlord> cstim: hiya. i'm okay. trying to track down bug #448853
14:53:51 <jsled> cstim: re your commit earlier ... are we in string freeze, or no?
14:54:14 <cstim> jsled: yes, except that these particular msgid already existed in the po files.
14:54:24 <jsled> Ah, I see.
14:54:43 <cstim> to be precise: "Yes"/"No" existed already, whereas "yes"/"no" didn't.
14:55:02 <cstim> also, marking a previously unmarked string (which is an error anyway) is allowed at all times anyway.
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14:55:21 <jsled> Oh?
14:55:42 <jsled> I noticed the other day that some SX strings aren't _()'ed ... though I'm pretty sure they're already in the po file as well.
14:56:26 <cstim> The purpose of the String freeze is to not have any work of the translators potentially be in vein.
14:56:52 <cstim> but marking a previously unmarked string is orthogonal to what translators currently are working on.
14:57:16 <cstim> jsled: if they are unmarked, you can mark them anytime. just go ahead.
14:57:56 * cstim is trying to teach aqbanking qt-wizard to be translated on Windows as well.
15:02:46 <warlord> cstim: what's your view of http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445917 ?
15:05:08 <cstim> I'd rather defer this until 2.2.0 is out. On the other hand there hasn't been a formal announcement of the String Freeze, so you could just as well go ahead.
15:07:55 <warlord> ok
15:14:52 <cstim> btw Ubuntu announced that their next release in October will have Beryl as standard window manager
15:15:13 <cstim> We might end up with more error messages about that :-)
15:15:54 <cstim> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html
15:20:27 <warlord> Oh, lovely. well,maybe we need to figure out why beryl doesn't like gnucash.
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15:59:04 <cstim> huh, no ops?
15:59:10 <cstim> warlord, jsled: gncbot doesn't have ops?
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15:59:56 <warlord> @op cstim
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16:00:00 <warlord> @op chris
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16:00:09 <cstim> thanks
16:00:11 <warlord> NP
16:01:26 <cstim> chris: btw with using GIT I experience a similar speedup in commit work - it's noticable easier to commit to the local repository, from I'll send the commits upstream after some extra days of thinking.
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16:22:23 <warlord> cstim: if you're bored and want to audit a couple changesets to see if YOU can spot the bug.... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448853
16:22:43 <warlord> In particular, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448853#c18
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16:24:14 <cstim> me? bored? :-)
16:26:26 <warlord> LOL
16:26:35 <warlord> I'm sure Maia would love to help!
16:27:00 <cstim> she's out of town today. Grandparents.
16:28:29 <warlord> OH! So you should have PLENTY of time :)
16:37:12 <cstim> warlord: from looking over r15772 and r15773 I don't see anything that looks wrong. I just feel like turning into a lot of instances of entities
16:38:12 <warlord> Yeah. but SOMETHING in those changesets broke Invoice Searches.
16:38:15 <cstim> or entities of instances... or instantiated entities...
16:39:33 <cstim> Maia just learned to eat her Muesli by herself this week. Quite impressive :-)
16:40:15 <warlord> Yay!
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17:03:00 <cstim> warlord: re http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2007-June/020766.html Do you ever look at the amounts of the "summary bar"? Or did anyone else actually use those numbers? I can't imagine someone did.
17:03:13 <warlord> I never look at them.
17:03:56 <cstim> Same here.
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17:29:17 <cstim> Yieeeha! A translated qt-wizard.exe on win32! yayyyieh!
17:29:47 <warlord> Yay!!!!
17:32:12 <cstim> Trolltech had a subtle change in their QTranslator class between qt3 and qt4. Of course nowhere documented.
17:33:10 <warlord> Of course.
17:33:19 <warlord> You wonder, based on the name "Troll" trch?
17:34:06 <cstim> Nah. They do a pretty good job at documenting.
17:34:11 <cstim> just not this time.
17:34:43 <warlord> heh
17:34:50 <warlord> (I know -- i'm just being.. weird )
17:36:13 <cstim> @tell andi5 I'll release aqbanking-2.3.1 on Friday or Saturday because of the fixed Translation.
17:36:13 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
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17:41:03 <[0x100]> I've managed to trigger a bug(?) where I have a customer listed in the receivable aging report with a $0 balance.
17:42:06 <warlord> Are there numbers in any of the other buckets?
17:42:16 <warlord> And did you set the options to list 0-balance customers?
17:43:22 <[0x100]> MyCustomer $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
17:43:29 <[0x100]> I haven't changed any options that I'm aware of.
17:43:36 <[0x100]> I have other $0 balance customers not showing up
17:43:44 <cstim_zzz> @tell andi5 Do you know why locale messages should be installed under lib/ on win32? In aqbanking they're under share/locale. Feel free to change that in dist.sh.
17:43:44 <gncbot> cstim_zzz: The operation succeeded.
17:43:45 <[0x100]> I'm pretty sure I know how I triggered it, but not sure why
17:43:59 <warlord> Oh? How?
17:44:35 <[0x100]> My customer owed $X and I didn't send him and invoice for awhile, but he got anxious and guessed and paid $X+5.
17:44:58 <[0x100]> I "received" the payment, and told him that he overpaid $5, but he said don't worry about it
17:45:18 <[0x100]> So I unposted the invoice, added a $5 line item adjustment, and reposted it.
17:45:20 <warlord> Oh, well, that COULD be. ... I dont recall how the report deals with overpayments.
17:45:45 <[0x100]> Now he has a $0 balance, but shows up in accounts receivable
17:46:30 <[0x100]> I have a feeling if I delete the payment and "receive" it again, it's going to fix it
17:46:32 <warlord> Oh! I bet I know what happened. Go into A/R, delete the Auto Payment transactions, then repost.
17:46:51 <warlord> It will, if you also delete the "auto payment" transactions in A/R
17:47:19 <[0x100]> heh, what is an "auto payment" and where do i find it :)
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17:48:14 <warlord> look in your A/R account.
17:49:11 <[0x100]> yeah, in A/R I have payments and invoices, but now sure what you mean by auto
17:49:31 <[0x100]> unless you mean when i receive it, it's automatically added to the A/R ledger
17:50:16 <warlord> Take a closer look at the A/R ledger.
17:51:45 <[0x100]> I have two "payments" for this customer
17:52:08 <[0x100]> one for $X and one for $X+5
17:52:13 <[0x100]> er, $5
17:52:29 <warlord> And what's the "Action" say?
17:53:42 <[0x100]> hmm.. you mean "type"?
17:53:43 <warlord> If you overpay an existing Invoice GnuCash will create auto-payment transactions to split that payment into multiple lots
17:54:03 <warlord> maybe. i dont have the register in front of me ;)
17:54:12 <[0x100]> both are "P" for payment
17:54:52 <[0x100]> let me try deleting them and re-entering
17:55:26 <[0x100]> weird, i deleted one and they both disappeared, is that supposed to happen?
17:55:53 <warlord> If that was the auto-payment, then yes :-P
17:57:25 <[0x100]> you still have not told me what you mean by auto payment, but yes, that fixed it :)
17:58:26 <[0x100]> I'm firing my bank today because they provided me two transaction reports in the last year that were missing transactions!
17:58:52 <[0x100]> Well, that's not exactly true, I'm firing them because they can't explain why it's happening.
18:00:39 <[0x100]> I had to back-track through 1.5 years of statements between four banks to find the missing transactions by process of elimination (they didn't come from other banks, so they must have come from this one). I showed up today and had them check their computers again and I was right on each case.
18:01:04 <[0x100]> What happened to banks being reliable?
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18:02:52 <warlord> [0x100]: I already told you: <warlord> If you overpay an existing Invoice GnuCash will create auto-payment transactions to split that payment into multiple lots
18:03:57 <[0x100]> warlord: gotcha, i didn't correlate that for some reason
18:04:34 <warlord> There's clearly a bug in that code. Can you reproduce that artifact?
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18:07:35 <warlord> There should be an open bug, but if you can reproduce at will, providing the "how to reproduce this" woul dbe VERY useful!
18:08:01 <warlord> In fact, if you can provide be a recipe to reproduce, that would REALLY be useful.
18:14:56 <warlord> Huh, I thought there was an open bug but I can't find it!
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18:43:52 <[0x100]> warlord, I'll try to reproduce it later and give an example
18:45:33 <warlord> [0x100]: thank you. If you can reproduce it, please file a bug report and provide the step-by-step instructions to reproduce it. If you can even start with a nearly-empty data file and supply that, too, in the bug report, that would be REALLY COOL!
18:50:04 <[0x100]> that was my intention, i'm not too keen on mucking with my company data ;)
18:58:35 <warlord> Great!
18:58:40 <warlord> Okay, I gotta run. BIAB.
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20:41:43 <brian_> Ahh! I was going to ask a question, but I figured it out while waiting for chatzilla to open :)
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21:02:53 <brian_> Okay, What do I have to do to print out a few pages of an account register on 2.1.4 windows?
21:03:21 <brian_> not having any luck...
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21:07:50 <brian_> Ok, figured out something that will work. Run the *Account Report*...export to HTML, and then print only the pages I really need to see....
21:07:57 <brian_> adieu
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23:18:29 <[0x100]> warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449672
23:19:31 <warlord> excellent. thanks
23:36:58 <warlord> okay, bedtime
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