2007-06-18 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:17:21 <yve1> I have created two separate Cash files (ex: A & B). In each file I have created custom reports. When I open file A, the reports created for file B are also listed in 'Custom reports'. Is their a way to make the custom reports of each file, available only with it's respective file?
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01:31:27 <foo> Gah, I opened up gnucash... and for some reason I can't modify the date on a register under assets... I double click on it and does nothing. Another weird problem is the buffer is kind of distorted. bah, lame. /me is going to see if he has the latest version
01:34:31 <foo> Hm, I have 2.0.5. Hmph, looks like latest stable.
01:37:37 <foo> Strange, I just maximized the screen and it seems to be all fine now. *scratches head*
01:47:17 <foo> eh, I spoke too soon.
01:47:36 * foo checks the FAQ and hopes there was something in there
01:48:07 <foo> gah
01:50:20 <foo> eh, this is really annoying. Anyone have any ideas? I think the last thing I did was upgraded to 2.0.5 ... but I don't remember seeing these issues
01:51:43 <foo> I've restarted gnucash several times, and I've also restarted my computer just for giggles ...
01:59:09 <foo> eh, well, I can't fill in the past 3 months ... so, I guess I'll just wait. Thanks
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02:21:45 <nbinont> I'm getting an assertion failure when trying to launch the aqbanking wizard....has anything changed with aqbanking / qt lately that could cause an assertion?
02:23:24 <nbinont> program: gnucash-bin.exe. File: stringlist.c. line:416. Expression: |
02:33:47 <foo> ok, I tried to rebuild 2.0.5 and still same issue. I give up. No luck on the wiki or google
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04:29:49 <andi5> nbinont: please make sure you rebuild aqbanking and gnucash _completely_, i.e. remove build (\tmp\aqbanking-*, \gnucash\build) and installation (\aqbanking, \gnucash\inst) directories before issuing install.sh ...i hope that fixes the problem
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04:30:51 <nbinont> tell andi5 I restarted and all was fine...thanks
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11:50:21 <Slaj_R> question -- I processed a customer payment, but I'd like to transfer the income from "other income" to an account named "PayPal." GC doesn't seem to allow this. How do I turn income into a current asset?
11:51:49 <warlord> Slaj_R: well, you delete the payment and re-process it to the correct account.
11:52:19 <warlord> or you could bring it up in the GL and edit it there.
11:52:46 <warlord> Oh, wait.. "Other Income"? The process payment shouldn't affect "income" at all.
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11:53:04 <Slaj_R> Okay, but if it posts to the proper account, then is it not logged as income?
11:54:09 <warlord> The INVOICE is what logs to income.
11:54:16 <warlord> Invoice is: Income -> A/Ar
11:54:24 <warlord> Payment is: A/R -> Checking
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11:56:37 <Slaj_R> Okay, I unposted the invoice. How do I delete the payment?
11:56:58 <warlord> Go into the register and delete it.
11:57:20 <Slaj_R> Ok, I see. thanks.
11:58:23 <warlord> you're welcome.
11:58:54 <Slaj_R> I'm sorry. I'm still confused. I re-opened the invoice and re-did the payment, except the transfer field says PayPal. Now, my PayPal account was deducted, instead of credited, that amount, and Income shows no change.
12:00:30 <Slaj_R> Basically, all I want is for the payment to be counted as income, along with being credited to an asset account.
12:01:00 <warlord> The payment isn't income. The INVOICE is income.
12:01:13 <warlord> What account(s) did you use on the invoice line-items?
12:01:35 <Slaj_R> One invoice line-item, and it says Income:Other Income.
12:02:30 <warlord> Okay, so when you post the invoice it'll create a transaction from Income:Other Income -> A/R
12:03:04 <warlord> Then when you get paid, it'll be A/R -> [some other asset, where you put the money]. That could be PayPal, if you want.
12:03:20 <warlord> It's NOT "Income:Paypal", unless paypal is your income source (which I doubt)
12:03:23 <Slaj_R> I posted it, and Current Assets:Accounts Receivable is negative the amount.
12:03:41 <Slaj_R> Should I not have an Accounts Receivable?
12:04:07 <warlord> You need Accounts Receivable if you're using the Invoice feature. The question to be asking yourself is: do you need the Invoice feature?
12:04:59 <Slaj_R> I suppose it would save some hassle.
12:05:27 <Slaj_R> I just posted the payment, and now A/R shows negative TWICE the balance, income is zero, and PayPal is correct.
12:05:39 <Slaj_R> I guess I just don't get business accounting.
12:06:59 <warlord> Wait.... When you post the invoice, it should increase both Income and A/R.
12:08:06 <warlord> (unless your numbers are backwards)
12:09:48 <Slaj_R> ugh, now I double-checked and it still doesn't show 'paid.' I'm going to start over from scratch...
12:10:14 <warlord> It wont show paid because the numbers are wrong.
12:12:15 <Slaj_R> okay, now it works.
12:12:20 <warlord> There you go.
12:12:29 <Slaj_R> It looks like i duplicated a transaction while troubleshooting.
12:13:29 <warlord> Ah.
12:14:07 <Slaj_R> thanks for your patience
12:14:26 <warlord> you're welcome.
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12:41:25 <chris> wb, warlord, good weekend?
12:41:54 <warlord> Thanks, chris. Yeah, had a lot of fun!
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12:52:59 <sam_> Howdy, having problems trying to enter transacions in gnucash. can't figure out how to turn on the Account Options.
12:53:59 <jsled> account options?
12:54:23 <sam_> yes,
12:55:10 <warlord> what do you mean, "account options?" better question: what problem are you having entering transactions?
12:55:23 <sam_> that is the message I get, Read ONly, must go to Account Options and change something
12:56:44 <jsled> Ah. Well, if the account is read-only, you might not want to enter transactions against it ... which account?
12:57:01 <jsled> In the account tree, right-click on the account, and it's "Edit Account...", I think.
12:57:01 <sam_> version that i have is gnucash2.0.5-1
12:57:22 <warlord> What account do you have open?
12:57:27 <sam_> Expenses
12:57:57 <warlord> "Expenses" is usually a placeholder account, and only exists to hold subaccounts. Why are you trying to edit it?
12:59:03 <sam_> I cannot enter any transactions. Message comes up and says something about This is Read Only, must go to account options and change something or other to add transactions
13:01:00 <jsled> sam_: you probably want to enter the transactions not from the Expenses register, but the relevant Asset account register ... like Assets:Checking or whatever.
13:01:23 <sam_> well, how do i do that?
13:01:42 <jsled> In the account tree, double click on that account, and the register will open.
13:01:49 <warlord> sam_: double-click to open your Assets:Checking register.
13:04:32 <sam_> When I double click on Accounts a Window comes up and says This account register is read-only. This account may not be edited. If you want to edit transactions in this register, please open the account options and turn off the placeholder checkbox.
13:05:09 <jsled> In the account tree, there's a little triangle next to Accounts. Click on that to expand the tree.
13:05:36 <jsled> Er, "next to Assets".
13:06:42 <sam_> Please explain is this on the top row? with File Edit View and so on?
13:07:32 <jsled> Nope, in the Account tree itself. Immediately left of the icon, which is just to the left of the string "Assets", in the "Account Name" column of hte "Accounts" tab.
13:07:44 <ScislaC> jsled: is it preferable for me to try guile-1.8 over 1.6? (I'm the guy on Gutsy from yesterday with the SLIB problem) The error page configure refers me to seems to indicate it's more about guile finding slib than configure finding it.
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13:08:56 <sam_> Where is the Account Tree
13:09:18 <jsled> ScislaC: I don't know about preferrable, but I've success with guile-1.8. I believe guile-1.8 in particular changes how it expects to interact with libraries like slib.
13:09:26 <jsled> sam_: It's the tab called "Accounts".
13:10:01 <sam_> Tab with "Accounts" would be under the Save Icon?
13:10:15 <jsled> sam_: coincidentally underneath, yes.
13:10:54 <sam_> As soon as I click on the "Accounts" tab the message with the "REadOnly " comes up
13:11:24 <jsled> sam_: in the account register (that you can't leave, apparently), click the red 'X' in the toolbar.
13:11:31 <jsled> (to cancel the current transaction)
13:11:45 <jsled> Then go ahead and close the register's tab ... it's not useful anyways.
13:13:23 <sam_> do not see a red "X" anywhere
13:14:24 <jsled> sam_: Try the menu {Transaction > Cancel Transaction}, then.
13:17:21 <sam_> I just went to Transaction and Cancel transaction, Under the save icon, i have an accounts, general ledger, and expenses tab showing, doesn't look like anything changed
13:17:36 <jsled> Can you click on the Accounts tab, now?
13:18:13 <sam_> yes, under account name i see Assets, Equity, Expenses, Income, Liabilities
13:18:26 <jsled> Right. See the little triangles to the far left of the Account Name column?
13:20:35 <sam_> no, first row under the Accounts tab, says.. Account Name next is Description, total right of total is an arrow pointing down, when I click on that lots of things show up including "Placeholder"
13:21:31 <jsled> What's the first thing under the header bar... in the actaul list?
13:21:42 <jsled> "Assets"?
13:22:47 <sam_> first is "Account" has check mark in box and is light, next is Type and is in Bold
13:23:22 <jsled> No, click on that down arrow again. We don't want that list.
13:24:54 <sam_> what am I supposed to do when I click on the down arrow?
13:25:09 <jsled> Nothing. You clicked on the wrong thing.
13:26:19 <sam_> I am running of Pclinux0s, do I need to download a newer version of guncash?
13:26:24 <jsled> no.
13:26:56 <sam_> well, what should i do here?
13:27:04 <jsled> hold.
13:28:13 <jsled> sam_: <http://asynchronous.org/tmp/triangle.png>
13:32:19 <jsled> sam_: does that help?
13:33:08 <sam_> the circled arrow to the left does NOT show
13:33:25 <jsled> Nice. How did you create your accounts?
13:33:29 <warlord> sam_: can you show a screenshot?
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13:35:01 <sam_> excuse me, yes the little triangle does show. I clicked on "Assests and under assets Accounts Receivable, current assets also showed up
13:35:26 <jsled> Ah. Under "Current Assets" should be "Savings" and "Checking" and whatnot.
13:35:48 <jsled> If you're like most, most of your transactions will be out of a Checking account; I suggest using that register.
13:36:12 <sam_> did that under Current assets I see Cash in wallet, Checking Account, Petty Cash, Savings Account
13:40:02 <sam_> If I download the new version of the program would that have a "doc" file?
13:40:09 <jsled> The current one should.
13:40:15 <jsled> Help > Tutorial and Concepts Guide.
13:40:43 <jsled> 2.0.5 is the latest stable version.
13:41:07 <jsled> Also, if the Help menu doesn't work, the content is available on the web at <http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/>.
13:41:35 <sam_> I do that and it says the gnucash.docs file is not installed, look through my "synaptic" for list of installed files, etc, this doc file does not show
13:42:40 <sam_> I hit the tutorial link, comes up. This should work.
13:44:10 <warlord> sam_: sounds like you dont have the gnucash-docs package installed.
13:45:58 <sam_> no< I don't
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14:25:00 <foo> Hm, warlord / jsled - can you guys scroll up to see my messages from last night?
14:25:11 <foo> The problem is weird, hmph.
14:25:45 <jsled> foo: what distro?
14:27:15 <foo> ubuntu dapper
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14:28:10 <foo> Only thing I can think of was that I upgraded some library and it broke something or something ... via apt-get... otherwise, I'm not sure
14:28:24 <warlord> There's a focus issue; when you open the register it LOOKS like the date is highlighted but it doesn't have focus. But other than that I've never seen an issue.. Also, dont doubleclick.
14:31:20 <foo> So, single click? It's a lot more than a "focus" issue, though.
14:31:29 <foo> I open gnucash... and it only shows like 50% of the register
14:31:34 <foo> The other 50% is gray
14:31:42 <foo> (obviously cut off and not what it should be doing)
14:32:01 <warlord> gray?
14:32:04 <warlord> Screenshot, please?
14:32:17 <foo> If I use the drop down menu for the Income Account or whatever in the register... I select what I want, then click out of it... you can see the menu partly distorted ...
14:32:21 <foo> Sure, good idea
14:32:25 <foo> Hm, you going to be around for 30 minutes or so?
14:32:39 <warlord> should be
14:32:52 <foo> alrighty, I'll be back in 10
14:32:56 <foo> Thanks warlord
14:34:53 <andi5> warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448853 ... i am not the only one
14:36:22 <warlord> andi5: Yeah, I saw that bug report. I'll have to build and test trunk myself.
14:36:55 <andi5> thanks
14:47:25 <foo> warlord: http://x02.ath.cx/temp/gnucash.png - gnucash opened up exactly like this, aside from my good bluring job :)
14:47:31 <foo> Let me see if I can take something else
14:48:14 <warlord> Wow! That's.... freaky!
14:48:33 <warlord> Are you running "unstable"? Did you recently update some gtk or gnome libraries?
14:49:10 <jsled> Yeah ... I also love how the Accounts tab content is at the bottom of the register.
14:49:17 <foo> warlord: I'm running dapper, which is stable with LTS (5 year support). I can get you versions of gtk libraries gnucash utilizes if you want.
14:49:24 <foo> If you want me to take another screenshot I can... this is weird
14:49:25 <foo> :D
14:51:47 <warlord> it's very weird
14:52:19 <andi5> do you use gnucash locally or is this via some network tunnel?
14:52:37 <foo> I use it locally, like I have been for the past 6 months... hehe. Hm, data is on an nfs mount, but that shouldn't affect anything
14:53:07 <foo> http://x02.ath.cx/temp/gnucash2.png - another one... pretty much opened the transfer dialoge box, and selected what I want... but it still left part of the menu on the screen
14:53:11 <andi5> did you change anything?
14:53:30 <andi5> update x or so?
14:53:35 <foo> andi5: Only thing that has changed it apt-get update && apt-get upgrade... I'm thinking it's some library difference or something. I'm on 2.0.5
14:53:52 <foo> Hm, I probably update beryl via apt-get at some point
14:54:02 <jsled> ah.
14:54:04 <warlord> This looks like a refresh/redraw problem
14:54:04 <andi5> arrgh... do not use beryl
14:54:11 <warlord> Ahh, BERYL!
14:54:16 <warlord> Yeah, stop using beryl and try again
14:54:17 <andi5> =warlord
14:54:21 <foo> warlord: yes, it is
14:54:34 <foo> hmmm, but I've used gnucash for 3 months with beryl ... never had an issue...
14:54:47 <warlord> Then you've been lucky
14:54:59 <andi5> i have seen really strange things with beryl and keep telling people to turn it off when you want to actually use their computers ;-)
14:55:34 <foo> I've been using beryl for 6 months, and other than some little crashes and starting up beryl-xgl ... I've never had other issues.
14:55:46 <andi5> now you have :)
14:56:13 <foo> So ya think this is beryl related, huh? Hmph. I remember starting googleearth one time with DISPLAY=:1 or something before it to get it to work... could that be a fix to this
14:57:01 <warlord> No clue.
14:57:06 <warlord> try it
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15:05:11 <foo> hmph, alright. Thanks guys.
15:05:39 <jsled> foo: did it work when not using Beryl?
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15:06:38 <foo> jsled: Haven't tried yet, hm, let me try that
15:09:57 <foo> hm, looks like it worked fine under fluxbox.
15:10:28 <foo> So, are you guys blaming beryl "just because," or is there known conflicts with beryl & gnucash or something? Like I said, I've used beryl with gnucash for 3 months, used gnucash every week or so... never had an issue.
15:11:09 <andi5> i blame beryl because gnucash works with all other window managers :-)
15:11:27 <andi5> it works on windows!
15:11:58 <foo> So other people have reported issues with gnucash + beryl or something? Hmph
15:12:07 <andi5> and the redraw glitches it has seen there have been a lot milder than that
15:13:18 * foo shrugs
15:13:30 <jsled> I've not seen anyone complain about beryl + gnucash.
15:13:38 <foo> Anywho, thanks. If there is anything else I can do to help you guys with this, let me know. eg. see if somethin' is conflicting.
15:13:52 <foo> Hmm, I see. Interesting.
15:14:09 <jsled> But, a) beryl is "new", b) it deals with drawing stuff. It jumps out as being a likely conflict.
15:14:17 <jsled> [and c) you mentioned it. ;)]
15:17:11 <andi5> foo: so you are running dapper with beryl? ... this sounds to me that beryl must be still be pre-alpha
15:18:06 <foo> Looks like I have 0.3.0~0beryl1. I did upgrade beyl from 0.2.1 at some point in the past... and that's the only thing I could think of that broke this, but I can't really remember
15:18:07 <andi5> maybe gtk is not as fresh as well... i do not know
15:18:27 <foo> What gtk package ? (I want to get you the version)
15:18:53 <andi5> hm... and that is dapper? i have gutsy (unreleased) and that shows beryl 0.2.1 to me
15:19:26 <foo> I have #deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org dapper main
15:19:32 <foo> or, wait
15:19:34 <foo> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb dapper beryl-svn
15:19:37 <foo> ahh, hmm.
15:19:52 <andi5> oh, nice... does that mean nightly builds? ;-)
15:20:08 <foo> Don't think so, since apt-get update && upgrade has only upgraded me once a few months ago.
15:20:31 <andi5> foo: why do you use upgrade at all... is that necessary?
15:21:02 <foo> andi5: I get bored sometimes and run it, haha. Hm, but, yeah... it's how we upgrade on ubuntu ... (don't know what else to say) ... and it upgrades firefox for me and what not.
15:21:40 <andi5> oh, i am sorry.. i muddled up upgrade with dist-upgrade
15:21:47 <foo> ah, np.
15:40:21 <andi5> jsled: ping
15:40:29 <jsled> andi5: hey.
15:40:47 <andi5> hiho... did you read the sx once problem yesterday?
15:41:12 <andi5> looks like this is neither a windows nor a < 2.1.4 problem
15:41:16 <jsled> andi5: I saw my name hilighted last night, but didn't read it.
15:42:26 <andi5> in a nutshell, funky3k set up a mortgage and car payments, but the car payments did not survive
15:42:57 <andi5> rather one such bogus sx (without <fs:once> block) was written to the data file
15:43:38 <andi5> seems like he did not even see this sx after adding the block
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15:45:05 <jsled> hmm.
15:45:20 <jsled> I'll have to look at it later.
15:46:09 <andi5> i guess i can make windows behave like linux, but this probably means parse error instead of crash
15:46:35 <andi5> i think so... maybe not, will see
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17:08:41 <aluink_lt> greetings, I was wondering if you have considered using a decentralized version control system?
17:08:54 <jsled> huh?
17:09:12 <aluink_lt> you are currently using SVN correct?
17:09:20 <jsled> yeah.
17:09:38 <aluink_lt> SVN is a centralized version control system
17:09:57 <jsled> Yes. I know what both are.
17:09:58 <aluink_lt> mercurial, darcs, git, monotone are decentralized version control systems
17:10:02 <aluink_lt> oh, ok
17:10:13 <jsled> I don't understand why you care.
17:10:48 <aluink_lt> well, i love your product!!!! and was considering offering some help from time to time
17:10:58 <aluink_lt> and was just wondering why you use SVN and if you thought of something different
17:11:14 <jsled> In short, yes, when we switched over to SVN we talked about it briefly, but decided to go with SVN.
17:11:25 <aluink_lt> ok
17:11:29 <jsled> Uh, well, you can use svk or git-svn on top of it if you want.
17:12:18 <aluink_lt> well, it's not much use to me locally, the real bonus is when working with a team and the advantages gained therein
17:12:39 <aluink_lt> no big deal, i was just wondering
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17:14:07 <aluink_lt> i'm working with Pidgin this summer through GSoC, so i'm rather busy, but come fall I'd like to offer a helping hand when I can, i figure i depend on your product so much and like it so much, it would only be fair to offer some help when i can, cause i can
17:14:20 <jsled> that'd be awesome.
17:14:37 <aluink_lt> yeah, i think so too
17:14:48 <aluink_lt> you know...give back to the community
17:14:55 <aluink_lt> anyhow, y'all take care
17:14:59 <jsled> you too.
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17:17:23 <jsled> I still don't understand why people a) think DVC is so great or b) suggest that other projects switch. It's like, "hey, have you thought about using Jira instead of Bugzilla?"
17:19:59 <jsled> But, not even like a specific project. Like, the whole *class* of tools.
17:21:16 <jsled> I guess it's be analogous to ... if we had the issues list in a file in the source tree, rather than bugzilla or something. And the suggestion was to use any web-based issue tracking, rather than.
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17:21:56 <jsled> Except, without the suggestion clearly being way better.
17:23:11 <chris> Actually, IMO, the analogy is better than you give it credit for. :)
17:24:37 <chris> Although, git-svn goes a fair ways to removing the incentive for a whole repo change.
17:25:34 <chris> I don't think I would even consider going back to using straight svn.
17:26:23 <jsled> huh. I guess I just don't get it, then.
17:28:33 <chris> Here's one shot at an explanation:
17:29:13 <chris> with svn, I basically try to reach a 95% confidence that I'm not breaking anything before committing - every time.
17:30:08 <chris> with git-svn I try to reach a 75% confidence that that the commit is correct before committing - every time.
17:30:30 <warlord> without a full regression test there's no way to verify that level of confidence unless you go test every feature of every window/dialog/page/menu.
17:30:49 <chris> Notice, I make the standard much higher, correctness vs. not-breaking.
17:31:03 <warlord> I dont see why the SCCS makes any difference into your %confidence.
17:31:45 <chris> Nevertheless, I estimate it takes about 4 *times* longer to be ready to commit to svn than to git.
17:31:46 <warlord> so noted. that point retracted. But I still dont understand why the SCCS matters in your % confidence of correctness
17:32:33 <chris> I usually keep several *dozen* commits locally, ahead of what I push to svn.
17:33:16 <warlord> Well.. I do that with SVK.. Although that tends to be because pushing back to SVN takes time and I dont want to stop my progress of multiple commits.
17:33:17 <chris> If it turns out the commit was not 100% correct (even if it didn't break anything) I'll just fix it up later and keep going.
17:34:56 <warlord> Ahh, so "commit" here == "local delta", not "SVN revision # in the centralized repository"
17:35:53 <chris> The end result is that I don't spend nearly as much time double and triple checking my commits before committing. I rely on the likelihood that I will discover my bugs incidentally (read: for free) as they sit in my local repo for a week or two.
17:36:48 <chris> So, it feels (and, I believe, actually _is_) much faster.
17:37:12 <warlord> the tradeoff is a longer time before it makes it into other people's working copies.
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17:37:59 <chris> Now, granted, there's really no technical reason why someone (with commit privs) couldn't use svn branches that way, but...
17:38:31 <chris> a) It would result in a massive number of branches (*all* my commits are done this way), and ...
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17:39:51 <cortana> and svn isn't exactly the best when it comes to merging
17:39:53 <chris> b) They'd end up doing really stupid things in public, which may not bother some people, but I figure I can do that fine without svn's help/.
17:40:06 <warlord> LOL
17:41:02 <chris> actually, there is that angle, too. I never realized how bad svn merging was until I used git.
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17:43:40 <warlord> Well, I use SVK.. I like its merging, and it does have offline deltas, too.
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