2007-06-14 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:06:36 <yves> How to export a report so it can be analysed in a spreadsheet?
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08:14:32 <jsled> gncbot: tell yves that you can export the report as HTML via the 'Export' button; you can then likely import any tables in that HTML similar to CSV, though you might need to massage the exported file, first.
08:14:32 <gncbot> jsled: The operation succeeded.
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09:24:01 <jsled> http://ask.metafilter.com/64687/Help-me-get-my-friends-businesses-off-the-Microsoft-and-Intuit-upgrade-treadmills
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09:26:23 <warlord> hmm
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10:02:02 <hampton> Intuit Tests the Linux Waters with QuickBooks Enterprise Solutions http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2145955,00.asp
10:04:56 <warlord> Basically it means you can store your quickbooks application on a SAMBA server.
10:39:43 <twunder> warlord: that's not how I read the article. It appears to me that they are actually running a database server on linux.
10:40:14 <twunder> http://http-download.intuit.com/http.intuit/CMO/qbes/resources/pdfs/LinuxInstallGuide.pdf
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10:43:38 <linas> so ... gnucash now uses a new and modified qof ...
10:43:53 <linas> is there any independent packaging thereof?
10:45:42 <jsled> No, I don't think so.
10:46:16 <jsled> The directory is still self-contained, and can probably be extracted pretty easily. But it's not done at present.
10:46:25 <linas> does it still have the name "qof", or is the name now different?
10:46:56 <linas> I'm interested in using it for a completely different project
10:48:37 <jsled> The dir is <http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/trunk/lib/libqof/qof/>, but it's diverged from <http://qof.sourceforge.net/> in a couple of ways.
10:48:59 <linas> one more question: who is the qof expert these days? is it warlord? someone else?
10:49:02 <warlord> The libraries are all named "gncqof"
10:49:13 <warlord> Well, do you mean GNCQof or QOF?
10:49:33 <linas> yes, I understand the divergence is fairly large in that it now uses gnome objets
10:49:34 <warlord> All of us stopped paying attention to qof.sf.net about a year or more ago.
10:50:05 <warlord> but there's not a good way to use gncqof in an external app.
10:50:20 <warlord> (oh, hi linas! :)
10:50:23 <linas> ah .. why not?
10:50:51 <warlord> well, it's not self-packaged, for one.
10:50:53 <linas> hi warlord .. . seriously, do you think anyone except me would be interested?
10:51:19 <warlord> probably not.
10:51:22 <linas> I could "self package"
10:51:53 <warlord> true.
10:52:02 <warlord> or you could just use qof.sf.net
10:52:16 <warlord> depends which feature set you want.
10:52:44 <linas> yes I could use qof.sf.net, ... but perhaps there are good reasons to use gncqof?
10:53:55 <warlord> I dunno. "qof" is still packaged and is in a bunch of distirbutions. I have no idea what level of development exists. We just gave up on trying to "remain API compatible" and not being able to fix bugs or change the way it works.
10:54:19 <linas> yes, I understand that ...
10:55:07 <warlord> we also didn't like the way we were getting "code drops" with no explanation, and some of those code drops had no documentation and reverted bug-fixes we'd made. So, we gave up.
10:55:08 <linas> but, for my new project, I'm thinking that perhaps there's a good reason for your changes to gncqof
10:55:19 <linas> ah
10:55:29 <jsled> I think the big differences in gncqof are 1/ logging, 2/ gobjectification, 3/ date cleanups, 4/ windows cleanups
10:55:39 <jsled> (And maybe others I'm forgetting)
10:55:49 <warlord> svn log .../lib/libqof :)
10:55:53 <linas> maye I just need to crawl through the code
10:56:15 <linas> I'm intersted in the gobjectification
10:57:02 <jsled> yeah ... `svn log` review may be the best way. There's been a bunch of ancillary changes in that module while changing other stuff.
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10:58:04 <warlord> the qobjectification isn't complete.
10:58:09 <linas> I'm trying to warm up an old project I had,
10:58:26 <warlord> speaking of old projects, I'm having some issues with gnotime.
10:58:34 <linas> which automatically synchronized the contents of a qof object to the contents of a database
10:58:42 <warlord> Oh, you mean dwi?
10:58:46 <linas> yes
10:58:51 <warlord> Sweet!
10:59:00 <warlord> yeah, you may want to use gncqof ;)
10:59:19 <linas> I just finished cleaning up dwi so tat it now builds on modern distros
11:00:09 <linas> so what are the gntime problems?
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11:04:08 <warlord> Oh, when I Drag-and-drop items around sometimes it screws up and loses track of which entry I'm moving or where I'm trying to move it to.
11:04:09 <warlord> Feels like a fencepost error
11:04:41 <yves> How to export a report so that it can be used in a spreadsheet?
11:04:41 <gncbot> yves: Sent 2 hours and 50 minutes ago: <jsled> that you can export the report as HTML via the 'Export' button; you can then likely import any tables in that HTML similar to CSV, though you might need to massage the exported file, first.
11:05:14 <warlord> I've also crashed it a few times, but I haven't been able to do so reliably.
11:05:30 <warlord> (I'm using 2.2.2, in Fedora 7)
11:05:54 <yves> sorry, for asking again. I'll try that method.
11:06:32 <linas> Hmm. I'm not using gnotime regularly any more. One problem iwth the drag-n-drop is that it depends on an old gnome widget that is marked "deprecated", and gnome hasn't offered any replacement for it.
11:06:52 <warlord> which widget?
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11:08:26 <linas> the main table widget
11:08:42 <linas> I forget what its called ... Its the one that displays all the rows
11:08:58 <andi5> clist?
11:09:12 <linas> yeah .. that's it, i think
11:09:15 <warlord> Aren't you using GtkTree{Model,View}
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11:10:13 <linas> err, I don't remember ..
11:11:16 <linas> The parts that were missing were drag-n-drop support, and explicit control over highlighting.
11:11:18 <warlord> The GtkTree* is the "Gtk2 way"
11:11:42 <warlord> I'm pretty sure there's DnD; not sure about highlighting.
11:11:50 <linas> I don't know if thay've fixed/enhanced the gtktree over the years
11:13:00 <warlord> Well, lots of people are using it, so I suspect they have.
11:16:30 <linas> hm. well, my focus will be dwi for the foreseeable future
11:16:57 <warlord> THat's fine.
11:17:09 <warlord> Too bad I can't convince you to work on gnucash ;)
11:18:50 <linas> at the moment, I actually have a business reason to mess with dwi, so I'm going to run wth that
11:19:46 <warlord> ok
11:19:52 <warlord> well, it's good to see you.
11:22:34 <warlord> anyways, I need to disk-swap and run some tests. BIAW.
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13:49:06 <linas> slashdot: intuit quickbooks *server* now on linux
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15:21:25 <mishehu> hmm... I'm getting errors about this file not being located - gdk-pixbuf.loaders . is this like pango.modules that it has to be created for gnucash to be able to run?
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15:28:32 <jsled> mishehu: perhaps. It looks like that should be created/installed by GTK-2.x; mines in /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders, though it's not supplied by any package.
15:28:35 <jsled> mishehu: what distro?
15:32:18 <mishehu> jsled: slamd64
15:32:43 <mishehu> jsled: I'm using packages I used on another machine, though I don't remember if I encountered this problem before or not.
15:33:23 <mishehu> hmm maybe I need to run this program - gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
15:35:07 <jsled> indeed, gtk-query-immodules-2.0 and the one you mentioned are run "postinst" here.
15:37:14 <mishehu> I missed putting those in the post-install scripts when I made the packages.
15:38:00 <mishehu> do you know what part of the program would output this when gnucash crashes after running the default settings wizard? <unnamed port>: In expression (with-load-pathname <pathname> (lambda () #)):
15:38:27 <jsled> mishehu: check the FAQ.
15:38:50 <jsled> nevermind, not there.
15:39:03 <jsled> Check bugzilla ... or the mailing lists, perhaps. I believe that's a known issue.
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17:11:36 <mishehu> jsled: well I'll also try a diff version of slib... I have two packages and can't remember for the life of me which one I installed previously.
17:12:09 <mishehu> my gut instinct tells me either it's an slib, g-wrap, or guile issue, and I'm just senile and didn't do what I needed to do.
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19:00:40 <warlord> Hmm, I wonder if/when we should turn off CVS access?
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19:24:14 <warlord> Have we heard from Jeff Greene at all?
19:24:18 <warlord> Green..
19:25:48 <jsled> chris: ?
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19:46:46 <warlord> chris: also, once Jeff shows up, do you want him to work directly in the current register-rewrite branch or would you rather we create a second branch (perhaps branched from the r-r branch) for him?
20:08:55 <warlord> wow, the server got up to a load of 50!
20:08:59 <warlord> I wonder what happened.
20:14:05 <jsled> I've seen that with NFS mounts and lots of files ... probably more specific circumstances, but we've never been able to figure it out beyond that.
20:15:52 <warlord> no NFS on the gnucash server.
20:23:26 <warlord> well, three dev branches created.
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20:33:14 <caroch> hello
20:33:39 <caroch> is there a shortcut to toggle the "double line" option ?
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20:34:58 <warlord> caroch: unfortunately no, not that I know of
20:35:27 <caroch> "unfortunately": does that mean there are plans to do something about it ?
20:36:24 <warlord> no, it means that it's unfortunate that it doesn't exist. BUT, you should be able to set a hotkey yourself.. Mouse over to the menu open and do something magic to set the hotkey.
20:36:58 <caroch> ah, hmm
20:39:24 <caroch> btw, there is something which I think should be made configurable: whether, when you enter a new transaction with a given description, the contents of the "notes" field should be left blank by default or should be a copy of the "notes" field of the previous transaction with this description (currently the "notes" field from the previous transaction with the same description is copied, but this is annoying because you don't see
20:39:24 <caroch> it unless you're in "double line" mode...)
20:40:07 <warlord> _EVERYTHING_ gets copied.
20:40:17 <caroch> yes I understand
20:41:05 <caroch> I am just suggesting that maybe it would be useful if there were an option saying "everything gets copied... BUT the notes field"
20:42:02 <warlord> In general options are bad. it leads to multiple code paths and things dont get tested and bugs get introduced. And in this particular case I'm afraid I just dont agree that such a feature is necessary or useful in the general case.
20:42:35 <warlord> but thank you for your input
20:42:56 <caroch> well, I won't try to convince you, but I'll just say that this is the one thing which annoys me most with gnucash (and I've been using gnucash for years)
20:43:15 <warlord> if that's the most annoying thing then we're doing a pretty damn good job for you!
20:43:25 <caroch> well, I am positively annoyed by this, in fact
20:43:59 <caroch> (but you're not doing bad overall, granted)
20:44:17 <caroch> badly I mean
20:47:49 <warlord> well, you're welcome to submit a patch ;)
20:48:03 <caroch> ok, ok... :)
20:49:08 <warlord> hehehe
20:49:47 <warlord> keep in mind that the register is probably being rewritten soon (hopefully).. So, any patch might be short-lived, or might not even make it into a release.
20:50:31 <caroch> ok
20:53:27 <chris> jsled, warlord: I've had a couple emails from Jeff, but nothing recently.
20:54:07 <warlord> chris: okay.
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