2007-06-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:31:27 <dbr> are gnucash shared libraries intended to be public or private?
00:32:15 <dbr> fink policy push me in the direction of having a gnucash-shlibs splitoff, but I'm thinking that's excessive
00:32:23 <dbr> *pushed
00:32:51 <dbr> and technically, the module name harmonization makes me break policy anyway...
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08:28:56 <Durentu> hello
08:30:33 <Durentu> I'm using gentoo, and I've emerged (installed) gnucash, however, it always fails to load saying /usr/bin/gnucash not in executable format:File format not recognized. the file turns out to be a script. help please! thanks :)
08:31:16 <Durentu> I have gnucash 2.0.5 installed
08:33:56 <cortana> sh /usr/bin/gnucash
08:33:57 <cortana> maybe...
08:34:20 <cortana> that shouldn't happen though: the file should be executable and have #!/bin/sh at the top of it
08:34:25 <Durentu> sorry, my coffee hasn't kicked in yet...
08:34:32 <Durentu> I have g-wrap 1.9.6 installed
08:34:36 <Durentu> :D sorry
08:40:10 <Durentu> I don't know if this is correct, I emerged guile with threads. and I think when the gnucash script gets called, something was expecting it to be a thread, which is why it failed to load
08:40:35 <Durentu> the backtrace has lots of symbols missing, but it was mainly from the something thread portion of the backtrace
08:49:33 <jsled> Durentu: can you pastebin the backtrace, please?
08:50:10 <Durentu> sry, it works for me now... :(
08:50:27 <jsled> Ah.
08:50:30 <Durentu> but the trick for was guile installed with threads
08:50:55 <Durentu> so I reinstalled guile without threads, and it works
08:51:19 <Durentu> is gnucash supposed to work with guile + threads?
08:51:23 <jsled> Ah. I have guile +threads, and it works fine.
08:51:51 <Durentu> k, maybe it was something else ..
08:51:52 <jsled> (on Gentoo; I wrote most of the ebuild)
08:52:00 <Durentu> cool..
08:52:08 <jsled> The key use flags for guile are deprecated, discouraged and regex
08:52:29 <Durentu> yep, I had those before when gnucash failed
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08:52:44 <jsled> If you care to maybe `quickpkg guile` as it is / working, and re-emerge it with threads to see if you can reproduce, that'd be aweome.
08:52:52 <jsled> Of course, now that it's working, I'd understand if you didn't.
08:53:10 <jsled> (dog needs food, biab.)
08:53:36 <Durentu> I'll mess around with it some more, and get back to you
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09:44:49 <warlord> @tell dbr technically they are "public", but in reality they're not.
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13:03:38 <yves> I need help with the creation of reports: when I open gnucaash the following messgae appears in a popup window: A custom report with this name already exists. Either rename the report to store it with a different name, or edit your saved-reports file and delete the section with the following name: ELSS - XXXXX. Where do I find the file saved-reports? I use Ubuntu Feisty. Thank you in advance.
13:04:15 <andi5> ~/.gnucash/saved-reports-2.0, probably
13:05:47 <yves> I use GnuCash 2.0.2
13:07:31 <yves> I'm new to Linux, therefore how do I navigate or get .gnucash/saved-reports-2.0 .?
13:08:17 <andi5> with nautilus, make sure you show hidden files, ~ is your home directory
13:09:49 <yves> Thanks a lot :-)
13:12:06 <andi5> np :-)
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13:27:53 <andi5> hampton: ping
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13:34:40 <andi5> @tell hampton i am a bit puzlled about http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/15066#file94 , @line 1440 ... why got those removed? ... that makes me fear code loss.... please make me relax again :-)
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13:47:38 <hampton> .
13:47:39 <gncbot> hampton: Sent 12 minutes ago: <andi5> i am a bit puzlled about http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/15066#file94 , @line 1440 ... why got those removed? ... that makes me fear code loss.... please make me relax again :-)
13:48:03 <hampton> I don't know. Doesn't fit in with the rest of that patch. Maybe a sync error on my part?
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13:54:56 <yves> Is there a way to password protect a file created in gnucash?
13:55:15 <jsled> yves: yes, using gpg, pgp or a cryptographic file system.
13:56:03 <jsled> yves: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Is_it_possible_to_provide_security_for_GC_data_using_CFS.2C_etc..3F
13:56:12 <yves> So it is not possible from within the program itself, like in MS Money?
13:56:17 <jsled> that's correct.
13:57:15 <yves> many thanks
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14:52:04 <chris> q
14:54:00 <warlord> p
14:54:49 <chris> :P
14:55:26 <warlord> Oh, we're not talking about prime numbers?
14:57:08 <chris> :Q
15:02:35 <warlord> :-N
15:02:42 <warlord> (p*q)
15:03:16 <warlord> okay, I need to go reboot with another HDD and run some tests. BIAW.
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15:28:18 <andi5> hampton: maybe... will you check that? :-)
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15:31:11 <cstim> andi5: hi
15:31:22 * cstim has problems during the windows build...
15:32:28 <cstim> when building guile, during creation of guile.texi I'm getting the dialog window "guile.exe could not be started because libguile.dll could not be found".
15:32:47 <cstim> This could very well be due to an incompletely deleted old build, but still :-/
15:33:11 <andi5> hi cstim
15:33:32 <andi5> why does it rebuild guile at all?
15:33:45 <andi5> i did not touch it for quite a while now
15:34:03 <cstim> oh, I've deleted my guile before building again.
15:34:15 <cstim> all blame goes on me :-)
15:34:21 <andi5> lol
15:34:43 <andi5> so do you think this is due to soft\tmp remnants?
15:36:17 <cstim> might be, yes.
15:39:45 <cstim> andi5: what's your opinion about the 2.2.0 release? Do you think we should go for it?
15:40:13 <andi5> cstim: i think i might be able to create a few dlls with debugging symbols (gnucash ones, glib, gdk, gtk, i think) ... do you think this would be helpful and where could i save them? .... also, if there is really such a storm of bug reports, do you think that inter-release windows builds or binary patches should be made?
15:40:19 <andi5> i think we should go for it
15:41:21 <cstim> I don't think we would have inter-release builds. But in the worst case we would have to continue with bi-weekly 2.2.[123] until the bugreports slow down
15:42:25 <andi5> on cnet (well, they picked up a test release, did not say so, made incorrect statements, .. grrr) there are quite some reviews ala "does not install", without any detail :(
15:44:23 <cstim> yeah, I think I saw that on cnet
15:44:39 <andi5> when they flood bugzilla the same way, we will have to use INCOMPLETE again :-)
15:51:46 <andi5> cstim: do you have unfiled issues on windows?
15:52:50 <cstim> andi5: no, not right now
15:53:27 <cstim> the guile issue disappeared once I removed tmp/ before my build.
15:54:25 <andi5> cstim: is there any particular reason why you are building gnucash@win right now? :-)
15:55:19 <cstim> yes, because of the aqbanking fixes.
15:55:40 <andi5> the pending ones? things you are about to fix? *crossing fingers*
15:56:38 <cstim> no. Only those that I've already fixed - of course :-)
15:57:53 <cstim> I was wondering how we can help new Windows users with Online Banking to have Qt installed.
15:58:08 <cstim> Could we add a windows-specific error message if the qt3-wizard doesn't start?
15:58:44 <cstim> Also, the README that is displayed in Inno Setup should probably be adapted. Maybe a win-specific part on top, and then the actual README.
15:59:19 <cstim> And I was even considering including the Qt DLLs into the gnucash installed for the online banking setup... hm, but approx. 16 MB are probably still too much.
15:59:54 <andi5> damn, i forgot it again... 16 mb only?
16:00:50 <cstim> 13.3 MB, to be precise.
16:00:51 <andi5> well, maybe... bin/*.dll make 18mb
16:01:25 <cstim> yes, but need only QtCore4.dll QtGui4.dll Qt3Support4.dll and no further.
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16:02:41 <andi5> maybe we need gnucash-aqwizard-2.1.3-setup.exe?
16:03:19 <andi5> but that would mean that existing qt installations cannot be used
16:03:39 <andi5> (because the normal setup.exe would not contain the wizard any more)
16:06:16 <andi5> http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php .... maybe i should give it a try
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16:07:04 <cstim> @tell andi5 A separate package would have to be called gnucash-onlinebanking-2.1.3-setup.exe because the other is not understandable.
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16:07:57 <cstim> @tell andi5 And in principle that would be fine - except I don't want to spend the work for another package. I'd rather include it in the gnucash one because this is the least work for us.
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16:12:18 <andi5> i think i mentioned the idea before, but what about included wget, spawning a batch script and asking there to download and install qt?
16:12:35 <andi5> i could combine that with the fq installation
16:13:57 <cstim> That would indeed be a very nice solution, yes.
16:14:31 <cstim> chris, hampton: any comments on 2.2.0 now or later (==end of this year)?
16:15:40 <cstim> (and jsled?)
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16:27:46 <twunder> is the current state of the SX Since Last Run dialog in gnucash head essentially what it will be for GNC 2.2?
16:28:17 <chris> cstim: I'd tend to put off 2.2. I don't see much downside to having more 2.1.x's. I think we get pretty decent testing on the 2.1.x's.
16:28:17 <jsled> twunder: yes.
16:30:29 <chris> cstim: I'm also not as optimistic as you are about getting dev help from win32-users.
16:30:41 <twunder> jsled: is that because it is what it is and there isn't time to make it pretty, or is it the way you actually want it to be? Because I find it cumbersome and confusing.
16:31:10 <jsled> twunder: I think it's gorgeous. :)
16:31:16 <jsled> twunder: Yeah, that's how I intend it to be.
16:31:44 <andi5> chris: because win32-users are less inclined to do developing?
16:31:59 <jsled> twunder: How so cumbersome?
16:32:27 <andi5> well, i think we talked about that once before :-) ...
16:32:34 <jsled> twunder: I mean, it has everything the 5-page druid had before, but in 1 dialog and (maybe) one search tab.
16:33:08 <twunder> jsled: I look at it and say to myself, now what? I'm used to the SLR druid in 2.0.x and previous.
16:33:49 <jsled> twunder: well, the state and value fields are actually clickable, which might be non-obvious.
16:33:54 <twunder> jsled: it's filled with techno-speak ("SX", "instance" "to-create")
16:34:17 <jsled> twunder: very good point (though I think that was true before)
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16:34:32 <andi5> two things if we want to delay 2.2.0... (1) we may rethink whether we want to backport a few things and release 2.0.6 someday ; (2) windows users may want regular test releases, ... so trunk should probably stay as stable as possible?
16:34:33 <chris> andi5: basically, yeah. I'd estimate that < 3% of users would even be able to download the source and unpack it.
16:34:43 <twunder> jsled: it's more veiled in the druid, I think
16:35:11 <twunder> jsled: I'll try to compose a reasoned critique and post it to -devel for comment
16:35:22 <jsled> twunder: awesome.
16:35:26 <twunder> something other than "I don't like it"
16:35:29 <twunder> ;)
16:35:30 <andi5> kudos to twunder :-)
16:35:31 <jsled> :)
16:38:08 <twunder> jsled: so the goal of the revised SLR is simplification, right? To get rid of navigating a 5-page druid.
16:39:07 <andi5> why do not we just show all 5 pages at once? ... i guess everyone should have a 1280x1024 pixel display by now ;-)
16:43:10 <chris> andi5: :( True, but my mind is still 640x480 ... monochrome.
16:46:51 <hampton> doesn't matter to me when 2.2 is released.
16:46:55 <hampton> bbiab
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16:51:48 <jsled> twunder: yes, roughly.
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17:00:57 <twunder> jsled: noted, thanks
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17:09:03 <andi5> @tell cstim http://blacken.superbusnet.com/oss/wpm/ .... i guess i will keep a close eye on that one
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20:39:49 <chad> would someone be able to help me with an error about the file type of my data file being unknown?
20:43:09 <chad> I am using Gnucash 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 7.04
20:48:49 <warlord> chad: don't meta-ask
20:49:07 <chad> what is meta-asking
20:50:18 <warlord> asking "can I ask a question":
20:54:15 <warlord> i.e., chad, just ask your question about the error instead of asking if anyone can help you with it.
20:54:21 <chad> How can I fix the problem of not being able to open my data file due to the following error, "The file type of file /media/hda5/documents/gnuchash data files/Chads gnucash data file is unknown?" I am running gnucash 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 7.04.
20:54:58 <warlord> Well, how are you trying to open it?
20:56:55 <chad> It was my only data file. I tried to open up gnucash a few weeks ago, which normally would automatically open my data file when I start gnucash, but now I get that error.
20:57:32 <chad> ever since that time, I can only open one of the .xac files in that directory.
20:57:54 <chad> which from what I understand, are backup files.
20:59:29 <warlord> chad: How are you trying to open the file?
21:01:46 <chad> It used to open automatically every time I started gnucash. Now I am using the File>Open>Open... dialog window to try to open the the file named "Chads gnucash data file"
21:02:11 <warlord> What do you get from: file "/media/hda5/documents/gnuchash data files/Chads gnucash data file"
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21:02:56 <chad> I get the error "The file type of file /media/hda5/documents/gnuchash data files/Chads gnucash data file is unknown"
21:03:18 <warlord> Sorry, I dont believe you that "file" gives you that error message.
21:04:46 <chad> my data file is named "Chads gnucash data file" Are you thinking that "file" is it's own file in that directory?
21:05:46 <warlord> No, "file" is a command-line program, and I am asking you for the results of running that command.
21:06:12 <chad> oh! Hold on while I try that.
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21:07:47 <chad> This is what I get. /media/hda5/documents/gnucash data files/Chads gnucash data file: empty
21:08:14 <warlord> well, that would be your problem, the file is empty
21:08:34 <warlord> ls -l "/media/hda5/documents/gnucash data files/Chads gnucash data file"
21:09:23 <chad> -rw-r--r-- 1 chad chad 0 2007-05-20 13:36 /media/hda5/documents/gnucash data files/Chads gnucash data file
21:09:42 <warlord> Yep, the file is empty. that's the problem.
21:11:08 <chad> ok. I am not sure how the file became empty. Can I restore my data somehow? Maybe I can restore the data from one of the .xac files?
21:11:31 <warlord> sure, "cp" it.. or restore from some other backup file. (the .xac files ARE backup files)
21:11:38 <warlord> maybe your filesystem filled?
21:12:59 <chad> that particular partition almost filled up one time. I am not sure if I did that while I was running gnucash though.
21:13:37 <warlord> well, filling up would explain it. anyways, now you know the issue.
21:16:54 <chad> do I just "cp Chads\ gnucash\ data\ file.20070520133629.xac Chads\ gnucash\ data\ file" from within my "gnucash data files" folder?
21:17:44 <warlord> Assuming 20070520133629 is the most recent version, yes.
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21:20:37 <chad> Great! That worked perfectly! Thank you very much for your help! I apologize for my meta-question.
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