2007-06-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:31:05 <Plaidrab> I'm trying to track bills and due dates as well as expenses. Is the recommended way to do that via the vendor billing on business?
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08:08:45 <heebie_> Hi. I'm having trouble building Gnucash. I'm getting an error about a guile library not being found. (grep: /usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la: No such file or directory
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08:09:12 <Heebie> I'm having trouble finding out what supplies that
08:23:30 <Plaidrab> I'm pretty sure that on Fedora that's in guile-devel
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08:24:29 <Plaidrab> So probably in something similar?
08:29:42 <Heebie> I'm running Gentoo. Up until the 2006.1 release gnucash worked fine, so I think they split some package ebuilds up. I'll look for guile development stuff.
08:32:22 <Heebie> Looks like guile-lib wasn't emerged because of a keyword issue in portage. :/ I'll hope that works!
08:33:09 <Plaidrab> Aha
08:34:16 <Heebie> Nope :(
08:35:47 <Heebie> libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
08:36:02 <Heebie> just after the previous error of no such file.. etc.
08:36:35 <Plaidrab> Rebuild it?
08:37:27 <Heebie> I just built guile-lib. It doesn't appear to have put in a /usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la
08:38:02 <Plaidrab> Ah. You may need to tell it to put the lib in lib64 instead of lib. I've seen that on a couple of things
08:39:25 <Heebie> It's not in lib/lib32 either
08:40:40 <Heebie> I wish I knew what that library did.
08:42:09 <Heebie> I'm going to put in a bunch of guile libs & see what happens.
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08:46:35 <administrator> hello to all.
08:49:14 <administrator> Can somebody tell what function i have to use to print the billing number on a Invoice.
08:49:16 <administrator> The following code just give me the Invoice Number and not the Billing number that was autofilled after i have selected a Job in the Invoice Dialog.
08:49:18 <administrator> (my-billing-id (sprintf #f (_"%d") (gncInvoiceGetBillingID invoice)))
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08:57:44 <administrator> To make clear in the Invoice dialog i had the following Numbers in the Entry fields.
08:57:46 <administrator> Invoice ID 1000-1001-10
08:57:47 <administrator> Billing ID 1000-1001
08:57:49 <administrator> Printing now a Invoice in Gnucash using this command here "(my-billing-id (sprintf #f (_"%d") (gncInvoiceGetBillingID invoice)))" for getting the Billing ID give as a result for the variable "my-billing-id" the value
08:57:50 <administrator> 1000-1001-10 and not 1000-1001.
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09:47:51 <administrator> Ok i have now found what the problem is!
09:47:53 <administrator> Creating a new invoice using a new created Job works very well it Print out the Billing Number with no problem !
09:47:54 <administrator> Creating a new invoice using allready a existing Job with a before modifyed Billing Number does not work becouse GNUCash
09:47:55 <administrator> print on the Invoice the Old Billing Number and not the New Billing Number !
09:54:09 <administrator> Changing and Editing the Job Data does not have any effects on allready Created Invoices.
09:54:10 <administrator> I have expected that GnuCash use the acctual Job Info Data for creating a Invoice.
09:54:12 <administrator> This feature is somehow missing.
09:54:14 <administrator> Exist a reason why Gnucash dont use the acctual Job data for Creating a Invoice ?
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10:30:42 <warlord> administrator: it's returned as a string, not a number.. so you would use %s, not %d. You also wouldn't want (_ ... ) because your ID isn't translated. So, really, you ONLY need (gncInvoiceGetBillingID invoice) and that's it.
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10:31:48 <warlord> administrator: The invoice caches the information. If you want the invoice to pull in the "updated" information click on "Edit" and then re-select the job (or customer)
10:32:14 <warlord> The reason is that you want invoices to remain static historically. If job information changes you dont want two-year-old invoices to change along with it.
10:35:41 <administrator> Hello warlord.
10:35:43 <administrator> Nice to see you once again :-)
10:35:45 <administrator> For the syntax problem "%s" or "%d" you are right. For some reason however my command work too. However i will change it !
10:38:09 <administrator> For the updated of the Cashed infomation i would like to ask if i everything have understood right.
10:38:10 <administrator> Do you mean with "Edit" to use the menu entry "editing a Invoice" ?
10:39:55 <warlord> Yes
10:40:19 <warlord> It will pop up the small dialog where you can change the customer/job/id/etc.
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10:47:40 <administrator> Hmmm. I use the following commands becouse for some reason a can't search for invoices.
10:47:42 <administrator> Businnes -> Find Customer
10:47:44 <administrator> "Select customer" and click on "Customer Invoices"
10:47:45 <administrator> in the new Window select a old Invoice and click on "Edit Invoice"
10:47:47 <administrator> If i do that i became only the Invoice Entry Window where i can change only the Invoice Data like Amount Tax and so on.
10:47:48 <administrator> The entrys for changing the JOB or the Customer in this window is for some reason fixed.
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10:50:18 <administrator> I dont also get the pop Up window that normaly is showed for creating a new Invoice
11:11:41 <administrator> warlord even if i click on the button "edit" for the job entry and i get in this window the new fresh Billing ID after clicking on the ok button nothing happens. The old Billing Number in the Invoice Entry window is not updated !
11:12:24 <administrator> Do i Have to manually change the billing ID in the Invoice Entry Window ?
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11:20:06 <TheNut> Is it ok to ask if a GnuCash accounts file is externally scriptable?
11:26:18 <TheNut> Specifically, I want to either do things from a database.
11:26:28 <TheNut> Or do things to both the database and gnucash from the same place.
11:29:24 <administrator> warlord: i have just tryed to manualy edit the billing ID in the Invoice Entry window without any success.
11:29:26 <administrator> The Entrys for Billing ID and Invoice ID are fixed.
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11:49:50 <docbunsen74> hi there! does anybody know a way to remove account hierarchies from the gnucash file menue? i created some that i don't need anymore.
11:52:02 <administrator> docbunsen maybe i dont understand you right however why you dont click with the right mouse button on the account that you want to delete and chose "delete account" ?
11:56:35 <docbunsen74> i meant the whole system of accouts, not a single account within a hierarchy.
11:59:52 <administrator> Ahhh i think i understand you now. You have created a new Account hierarchies by using the following command "File"->"New"->"Account hierarchies" and want now what exactly ?
11:59:54 <administrator> To delete this from the GnuCash "File" menu ?
12:02:08 <docbunsen74> yes, i can delete it from the folder where gnucash stores all the data and logs, but it doesn't disapear from the "File" menu ?!
12:02:57 <warlord> administrator: from the invoice register window click "Edit"
12:04:28 <warlord> There's where you can edit them.
12:04:36 <warlord> (yes, they are fixed from the register-window view)
12:05:24 <warlord> docbunsen74: use gconf-editor to remove it from the file history.
12:05:35 <warlord> (or open three more files and it will fall off the list)
12:07:23 <docbunsen74> warlord: i'll try that, thank you!
12:08:58 <Heebie> I figured out why Gnucash wouldn't compile.
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12:11:14 <Heebie> It was becuase my locale settings weren't right.
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12:11:37 <administrator> I have allready clicked on "Edit" and after this the Pop-Up window loaded the new Billing Number in the PopUP window.
12:11:39 <administrator> However after clicking the button "OK" on this popup Window does not have any effect.
12:11:41 <administrator> The Billing Number in the Invoice register Window stay the same as you have sayed (fixed).
12:11:42 <administrator> Printing the invoice just for testing show also that the Billing Number has not changed.
12:11:44 <administrator> The Billing Number stay the same even after the Invoice Register Window has recashed the Information.
12:11:45 <administrator> Maybe i am wrong but it looks like GnuCash dont provide at the moment the possibility to use the Acctual Job Information for printing a invoice.
12:12:27 <administrator> So recashing of Job Information dont Work !
12:26:12 <administrator> warlord is this now a bug or a feature in Gnucash ?
12:26:13 <administrator> Should Gnucash not update the "Billing Id" in the Invoice Register Window after somebody has changed the Job Information by clicking on "EDIT" ?
12:37:09 <warlord> administrator: it should let you edit it in the edit window. if it doesn't then that's a bug.
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12:41:37 <warlord> administrator: But I cannot reproduce the problem. When I change the job billing ID in the edit window and click "ok", it updates the setting in the main invoice window.
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12:48:12 <administrator> It looks like we speak of two different things maybe. Is the "Invoice Register Window" that Window that Pop-Up by calling the following command "Businnes"->"Custumer"->"New Invoice". If the answer here is yes i give you totally right that here everything works like it should.
12:48:14 <administrator> However if you mean with the "Invoice Register Window" that window that has as a title the name "View Invoice" and is showed after you select a existing allready booked Invoice then the updating of the edited Job Information in this window dont work.
12:51:23 <warlord> No... The "Invoice Register Window", i.e., "Invoice Window", is the window that has the invoice information and the register of invoice line items.
12:53:02 <warlord> Then there is the "new/edit invoice" dialog which is what pops up when you click [menu] -> Business -> Customer -> New Invoice (and also pops up when you click "Edit Invoice" from the Invoice Window)
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13:10:08 <administrator> Ok warlord. A picture say more than 1000 Words. I am speaking about this window here.
13:10:09 <administrator> http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07061019373696.gratis-foto-hosting-page.html
13:10:11 <administrator> If you click on "Edit" for job (vendor or customer is same) you will get in the popup Window the new Billing ID however after closing that Pop-Up window the Billing id is not updated!
13:15:32 <administrator> Thats why i have asked
13:15:33 <administrator> "is this now a bug or a feature in Gnucash ?
13:15:34 <administrator> Should Gnucash not update the "Billing Id" after somebody has changed the Job Information by clicking on "EDIT" ? "
13:48:24 <warlord> No, it's not a bug in GnuCash..
13:49:07 <warlord> You're not allowed to change the INVOICE from there, just the underlying entries. Click on "Edit Invoice" and then from THERE you can modify the invoice entries.
13:51:11 <warlord> And no, gnucash should NOT update the "billing Id" in an invoice until you tell gnucash specifically to do so by clicking on "Edit Invoice" and then re-selecting the Customer or Job.
13:51:34 <warlord> This is a feature. It lets you change the customer/job settings WITHOUT modifying existing invoices.
13:53:44 <administrator> :-)
13:53:46 <administrator> I have now also try that what you have told me.
13:53:48 <administrator> I have opened a allready booked Invoice.
13:53:49 <administrator> Unposted this Invoice.
13:53:50 <administrator> And started the following command from the menu "Edit" -> "Edit Invoice".
13:53:52 <administrator> in the "Edit Invoice" Window i have clicked on the Button "Edit" for the Job Field.
13:53:53 <administrator> In the new PopUP "Find Job" i have selected the new Updated Job.
13:53:55 <administrator> After this the Billing ID was not updated in the "Edit Invoice" Window.
13:53:56 <administrator> Is that also correct ?
13:54:45 <warlord> THAT sounds like it might be a bug.
13:55:12 <warlord> I dont use "jobs" so I dont have any in my datafile to easily test at the moment.
13:55:24 <warlord> (I might have a test file somewhere that has them.. I'll have to look)
13:57:59 <warlord> Um, wait.. "Edit" the job field? Not "select"?
13:58:28 <warlord> For me the button says "Select"
13:59:13 <warlord> And for me it works as it should. I just created a new job, selected it, and it worked.
13:59:54 <warlord> BUT.. It only worked when the Invoice BillingID was empty.
14:01:00 <administrator> now create with that Job a Invoice and save the result.
14:01:02 <administrator> After this you change the Billing Number open the allready booked invoice unpost it then from the Menu "Edit"->"Edit Invoice"
14:01:04 <administrator> to update the Billing Number
14:01:09 <warlord> Actually, it looks like it only sets the Invoice BillingID when it first sets the job. Yes, that's a bug.
14:01:43 <warlord> I dont use the Menu; I just click the "Edit Invoice" toolbar icon.
14:02:11 <administrator> warlord you are a genuis !
14:02:20 <warlord> ??
14:02:21 <administrator> i have never seen that icon
14:02:28 <warlord> It's right in front of your face, dude!
14:02:57 <administrator> yeah now that you say it i see it but before i have never see it
14:03:10 <warlord> must be blind.
14:03:47 <administrator> No today is the first time i have used this "Invoice Edit" Function in GnuCash
14:05:57 <administrator> However can you reproduce this problem.
14:05:59 <administrator> Book a Invoice with a Job and Billing Number.
14:06:01 <administrator> Then Modify the Job Information especially the Billing Number.
14:06:02 <administrator> After this unpost the Invoice for editing.
14:06:04 <administrator> Click on the "Edit Invoice" icon
14:06:05 <administrator> Try to update the Billing ID by clicking on the "Select" Button for the Job
14:07:12 <administrator> For me updating the Billing Number dont work in the "Edit Invoice" window.
14:07:13 <administrator> It stay the same.
14:13:31 <warlord> Yes, like I said, that's a bug. Please file a bug report.
14:15:51 <administrator> Ok thank you very much for the help discovering this bug.
14:15:53 <administrator> Our discussion has helped me a lot understanding how to use gnucash better.
14:15:55 <administrator> I will now fill a bug and post the link for it here
14:20:25 <warlord> No need to post the link to it.
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14:58:52 <jakob> I have just one question. I have somehow managed to close the accounts view. GnuCash doesn't have an "View Accounts" item in the menu, so I am in real trouble here. What can I do?
15:02:02 <cortana> oh i did that once
15:02:19 <cortana> can't exactly remember how i solved it though
15:03:07 <cortana> file -> open ... and pick your data file?
15:03:59 <cortana> or maybe just restart gnuchas
15:05:30 <jakob> I have tried restarting GnuCash many times
15:08:38 <administrator> warlord: is it possible to confirm the gnucash bug "446108" from your side?
15:08:39 <administrator> asl long as nobody confirm it the bug will stay unsolved.
15:10:24 <jakob> I will check it now
15:11:56 <administrator> jakob: do you have saved your Data in Gnucash. If you restart Gnucash without to save your data you will beginn from zero in gnucash normally!
15:12:06 <jakob> I have only used GnuCash one day and therefor I do not have any sensible data in the file set. So if anyone should be interested in having a copy of the files for debugging just tell me
15:12:37 <jakob> The data is there, I can see that if I generate a report
15:14:31 <cortana> jakob: quit gnucash, remove ~/.gnucash/books and then run gnucash again
15:18:15 <jakob> Cortana: That did the job - Super - thanks!
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15:26:35 * cortana adds that to the faq
15:51:06 <administrator> i have to quit the channel. see you all the next time. bye
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16:47:20 <swim> Hi! I'm new to irc and gnucash, so please excuse any ignorance. I'm trying out the 2.1.3 version as an experiment and accidentally started it twice. Now when I start it I get:
16:48:01 <swim> "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
16:48:01 <swim> /home/cummings/first:31: element gnc-v2: Schemas validity error : Element 'gnc-v2': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
16:48:01 <swim> /home/cummings/first:31: element gnc-v2: Schemas validity error : Element 'gnc-v2': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
16:48:01 <swim> /home/cummings/first:31: element gnc-v2: Schemas validity error : Element 'gnc-v2': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
16:48:03 <swim> "
16:49:03 <swim> Do I need to do something to fix these? Thanks!
16:50:50 <swim> (It seems to start normally after that.)
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17:48:36 <andi5> swim: do not worry about them... it is just a file backend plugin noticing that it cannot read the file and let the other(s) do it ... we will probably enforce the right one to be the first one too, someday
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17:56:45 <andi5> cortana: file -> new -> new accounts page?
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18:13:47 <swim> andi5: OK, Thanks for your help!
18:14:16 <andi5> np, ... i am responsible for the mess ;-)
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18:51:18 <warlord> cortana: the real answer is: File -> New -> New Account Tree
18:51:25 <warlord> @tell jakob the real answer is: File -> New -> New Account Tree
18:51:25 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
18:52:28 <warlord> Er, sorry, andi5 is right.. New Accounts Page
18:53:01 <greenmanspirit_> hello, i just wanted to ask if anyone knows why the tutorials menu option isnt responding?
18:53:18 <warlord> greenmanspirit_: do you have gnucash-docs installed?
18:53:21 <andi5> warlord: maybe the string changed recently? i remembered the same string...
18:53:49 <greenmanspirit_> warlord: i thought i did, but i will check
18:55:10 <greenmanspirit_> ok, now i feel stupid
18:56:45 <warlord> Heh
18:56:47 <andi5> greenmanspirit_: newer gnucash versions will tell you about that missing package, not <= 2.0.2 though
18:57:31 <greenmanspirit_> ah that makes sense, i have 2.0.2 installed
19:01:23 <warlord> 2.0.2 is broken in many ways.. you really should upgrade to 2.0.5
19:01:37 <andi5> amen.... bye
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19:06:04 <greenmanspirit_> ok, will upgrade
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20:54:16 <swim> Hi - a new user observation/request with QIF import - Could the 'memo' field from Quicken get put in the 'Notes' field (double-line view) in GnuCash? (when I first looked at things after my first import of QIF data I thought all my memos weren't there. Now I see that they are all there if I use Auto-split ledger view, but I liked seeing them in the more compact double-line view.
21:01:06 <warlord> swim: I believe there's already and RFE to that affect.
21:03:19 <warlord> But... In QIF the memo really does tie to the split.. Not the transaction. If you have a multi-split transaction (which QIF actually supports!) you can define different memo's for each split.
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21:03:32 <warlord> So what gnucash does IS mostly correct in that sense.
21:04:04 <warlord> But you're right, there is a difference between the "transaction" memo and the "split" memos..
21:04:13 <warlord> And perhaps gnucash SHOULD treat them differently.
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21:21:24 <swim> I just checked back in my quicken register and on two split transactions with 'main' memo AND split transaction line memos -
21:21:28 <swim> QIF import dropped the 'main' transaction memo and just kept the split memos.
21:21:59 <warlord> Right.
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21:22:11 <warlord> Yes, that's a known deficiency in the importer.
21:40:25 <swim> OK. (I did scan through the list of bugs for QIF Import, but didn't notice that one)
21:40:28 <swim> It seems like my original question is partly my coming from the 'quicken' view of the world and I do like the gnucash double-entry accounting view better.
21:40:47 <warlord> :)
21:47:02 <swim> Thanks for the discussion and for your work on GnuCash! Have a good rest of the evening!
21:47:52 <warlord> thank you. you too
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