2007-05-11 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:59:14 <boricua> hello
08:59:29 <boricua> i need help
09:03:26 <jsled> boricua: we can't guess at what; you need to tell us. :)
09:03:36 <boricua> ok
09:04:00 <boricua> i downloaded gnucash for windows compressed but i can not opem it
09:04:23 <jsled> what's the extension it has
09:04:23 <jsled> ?
09:04:36 <boricua> let me see
09:05:33 <boricua> gnucash-2.1.1.tar
09:06:16 <jsled> winzip should be able to handle that.
09:06:29 <jsled> Or any basically functional compression util.
09:06:54 <boricua> i have peazip, but it does not open it
09:06:54 <jsled> It's not like tar isn't a well-documented, common format that's been around for 20 years.
09:06:57 <chris> I thought the windows version was an .exe
09:07:05 <jsled> Oh, could be that, too.
09:07:11 <jsled> Where'd you download it from?
09:07:25 <boricua> www.download.com
09:07:40 <boricua> it says it will open tar
09:07:50 <jsled> No ... gnucash.
09:08:05 <boricua> i try to find a zip version on gnucash but it is not available
09:08:21 <boricua> just tar
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09:08:47 <boricua> gnucash downloaded fron www.gnucash.org
09:09:02 <jsled> boricua: The windows .exe is at <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=192&package_id=5582>.
09:09:08 <jsled> You've downloaded the sources, only.
09:09:34 <boricua> should i copy paste that url?
09:09:38 <jsled> Er, 'gnucash-2.1.1.tar[.gz]' is just the core released sources.
09:09:59 <jsled> Probably easier than re-typing it, but your IRC client might let you just click on it.
09:11:10 <boricua> well i have to copy it
09:11:16 <boricua> manually
09:13:45 <jsled> (biab)
09:15:48 <boricua> thank you
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09:27:08 <navigator> hi all. Is there MDL currency in fresh Gnucash?
09:28:54 <jsled> Moldovan Leu? Yes, at least in 2.1.1.
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09:52:49 <hampton> I just added that a couple of weeks ago, so its not in any of the 2.0.x releases.
09:54:21 <navigator> OK, thanks. Will consider upgrading to the last version :)
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10:37:29 <warlord> navigator: note that the 2.1.x series are still beta tests.. We dont recommend you upgrade yet until we have the 2.2 release.
10:39:38 * hampton needs to rewrite the currency declaration into a user editable runtime file.
10:40:22 <hampton> maybe for 2.4.....
10:43:15 <warlord> heh.
10:43:21 <warlord> I think that's somewhat low priority.
10:49:54 <warlord> But hey... your time.
10:50:09 <warlord> OBTW, we reallly need to get test-lots working again; we can't release 2.1.2 until it passes.
10:51:00 <hampton> I should have some time this weekend to get back to it. Not really sure what to do about that division by 3e-13, or whatever it was.
10:52:08 <hampton> We're just perpetually behind the curve on new/changed currencies. Seems like the easiest thing to do is to eliminate the source of the problem.
10:56:40 <warlord> I suppose we could change it to an XML file and we could just keep an up to date file on the web.. and then we could even have gnucash (the app) check the file periodically to see if it's been updted! ;)
10:59:07 <hampton> lol. good idea. That would also let us see how many people are actually running gnucash. :-D
10:59:21 <warlord> yep!
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11:10:06 <DominicB> Hi.
11:10:20 <DominicB> I've got a question on how to use gnucash.
11:10:30 <DominicB> I want to have something like virtual accounts.
11:10:56 <warlord> what do you mean, "like virtual accounts"?
11:11:07 <DominicB> Suppose I want to use X Eur every month for consumables. Then I want to transfer X EUR from my checking account into this virtual account.
11:11:41 <warlord> as opposed to keeping track of the consumables directly in Expenses:Consumables?
11:11:51 <DominicB> right
11:11:55 <warlord> and why?
11:11:58 <DominicB> I do not want to add all consumables there
11:12:11 <DominicB> but I want to transfer some money every month
11:12:25 <DominicB> in order to keep track of how much I allotted for consumables and how much I actually spent
11:12:39 <DominicB> thereby I want to achieve some kind of budgeting
11:12:40 <warlord> AH! So you want a Consumable BUDGET!
11:12:45 <DominicB> yes
11:12:50 <warlord> Use Assets:Checking:Consumables
11:13:01 <warlord> (a subaccount of your cash/checking/asset account)
11:13:29 <warlord> This is called "bucket budgeting" and it's been discussed on the list multiple times.
11:13:51 <DominicB> Ok, I didn't know that term. I will look for that
11:14:37 <warlord> well, it might not be an official term.
11:15:18 <DominicB> I will try making the Assets:Checking:Consumabes an asset account
11:15:24 <DominicB> it was a banking account before
11:16:00 <warlord> oh, it can be a bank. doesn't matter.
11:16:08 <warlord> just a labeling difference.
11:16:24 <DominicB> well, when it was bank I had some problems with reconciling the accounts.
11:16:40 <DominicB> the real bank account lacked the amount that was virtually transfered
11:16:56 <warlord> Did you select "include subaccounts" during the reconcile process?
11:17:21 <DominicB> oh, I don't know
11:18:03 <DominicB> nope that was probably the problem
11:18:08 <DominicB> thanks a lot!
11:18:09 <warlord> *nods*
11:18:11 <warlord> You're welcome.
11:19:57 <warlord> [ot] it sucks when the mobo i want to buy is now out of stock everywhere.. but it was available a week ago.
11:20:43 <DominicB> well, it did not solve the problem entirely...
11:20:57 <DominicB> the consumables budget can be found now in the reconciliation dialog
11:21:16 <DominicB> but I can reconcile it only either in "funds in" or in "funds out"
11:21:19 <DominicB> not on both sides
11:21:40 <DominicB> therefore there is a difference of either +X or -X from the balance
11:21:55 <warlord> Where X is the budgeted amount, not the spent amount?
11:22:14 <DominicB> yes, exactly
11:23:01 <DominicB> never mind
11:23:03 <warlord> Okay... And what do you mean that you an reconcile it on one side or the other but not both?
11:23:05 <DominicB> not it works :-)
11:23:19 <DominicB> pebkac ;-)
11:23:25 <warlord> haha. ok
11:23:35 <DominicB> gnucash rocks!
11:25:47 <warlord> :)
11:32:38 <warlord> okay, time for me to head to the office.
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13:26:46 <warlord> [ot] * grumbles * Apparently the mobo I wanted has been replaced by a newer version that isn't yet available.. *cries* Hopefully they'll still ship more of this version of the mobo.
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15:27:50 <x> Hey everyone. So I've been trying to get gnucash working for about 6 hours now. Anyone feel like helping?
15:28:07 <andi5> x: sure...
15:28:15 <jsled> what distro? What's the problem?
15:28:36 <andi5> jsled: it still does not print out my letter ;-)
15:28:41 <x> Okay, which version should I start with? svn? latest stable/unstable? or the one that came with kubutu fiesty.
15:28:46 <x> ?
15:29:07 <andi5> you mean feisty? ... that is 2.0.2 ... do not use that one
15:29:08 <jsled> andi5: hmm?
15:29:10 <x> I'm using kubutu 7.04.
15:29:14 <andi5> jsled: do not mind :)
15:29:36 <x> Yeah, 2.0.2 is very slow over a remote X session.
15:30:07 <andi5> i am not sure 2.0.5 will be any different.... and probably the same holds for 2.1.1 and current svn
15:30:24 <x> Actually they seemed faster before they crashed.
15:30:50 <andi5> seemed?
15:31:06 <x> But I recompiled about 40 packages to be able to build, so it may have been in one of those.
15:31:09 <x> It was faster.
15:31:13 <andi5> so what exactly is the problem? .... if you can use 2.0.5, then i would recommend it
15:31:34 <x> Okay, it crashes, lemme reinstall that one.
15:32:32 <andi5> x: what do you mean by "it crashes"? ... when does it crash, what about a stacktrace and bug report?
15:32:48 <x> Working on it, hold on one second.
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15:33:19 <x> Also, bug-buddy isn't working, do we need to get that working first?
15:33:56 <x> I am a huge fan of gnucash by the way. I have been using it for like 8 years+
15:34:08 <x> So great job everyone. 8')
15:34:25 <andi5> you can just as well start gnucash and attach gdb to it, make it crash and get your stacktrace from gdb .... see wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
15:34:31 <andi5> wow :)
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15:39:31 <x> (gdb) bt
15:39:32 <x> #0 0x00002b497c70fb0a in gnc_history_update_action (window=<value optimized out>, index=0, filename=0xc15d70 "C:\\gnucash\\myacct") at gnc-plugin-file-history.c:255
15:39:34 <x> #1 0x00002b497c70fd14 in gnc_history_update_menus (window=0x768000) at gnc-plugin-file-history.c:348
15:39:35 <x> #2 0x00002b497c713e0a in gnc_plugin_add_to_window (plugin=0xbfecc0, window=0x768000, type=592) at gnc-plugin.c:206
15:39:37 <x> #3 0x00002b4985dc29ca in IA__g_closure_invoke (closure=0x7e6520, return_value=0x0, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7fff2f9ac8f0, invocation_hint=0x7fff2f9ac7c0)
15:39:39 <x> at gclosure.c:490
15:39:41 <x> #4 0x00002b4985dd25f8 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x7e95f0, detail=0, instance=0x7e2aa0, emission_return=0x0, instance_and_params=0x7fff2f9ac8f0)
15:39:43 <x> at gsignal.c:2440
15:39:47 <x> #5 0x00002b4985dd3a33 in IA__g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0x7e2aa0, signal_id=<value optimized out>, detail=0, var_args=0x7fff2f9acb70) at gsignal.c:2199
15:39:49 <x> #6 0x00002b4985dd3c03 in IA__g_signal_emit (instance=0xc15d70, signal_id=47, detail=2252976456) at gsignal.c:2243
15:39:51 <x> #7 0x00002b497c7107d6 in gnc_plugin_manager_add_plugin (manager=0x7e2aa0, plugin=0xbfecc0) at gnc-plugin-manager.c:122
15:39:52 <x> #8 0x00002b497b8070c8 in gnc_main_gui_init () at top-level.c:402
15:39:54 <x> #9 0x00000000004028ee in inner_main (closure=<value optimized out>, argc=<value optimized out>, argv=<value optimized out>) at gnucash-bin.c:447
15:39:54 <andi5> x: please do not flood the channel, use pastebin.ca
15:39:56 <x> #10 0x00002b4984ee7e81 in scm_boot_guile () from /usr/lib/libguile.so.12
15:39:58 <x> #11 0x00000000004026d1 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fff2f9ad048) at gnucash-bin.c:515
15:40:06 <x> (sorry for the spam)
15:40:31 <x> Sorry about that.
15:40:43 <andi5> ok, so it crashes right on startup?
15:41:00 <x> Yes
15:41:51 <x> I haven't rebuilt guile yet, should I try that?
15:41:57 <jsled> C:\\gnucash? On ubuntu?
15:42:19 <x> Not sure what that's about.
15:42:30 <x> I did try running the windows client. Maybe it remembered the last file?
15:42:43 <andi5> do you share you home directory somehow?
15:42:51 <x> Samba mount
15:42:57 <andi5> interesting...
15:43:02 <andi5> someone should test that ;-)
15:43:35 <warlord> Yeah, I wonder if the problem is the sharing your homedir between Ubuntu and Windows.
15:43:41 <x> But that c:\\ is actually a copy, since the windows version is unstable.
15:43:43 <x> Ubuntu shouldn't be able to access that...
15:43:43 <andi5> x: easy fix.... install gconf-editor and visit the correct gconf key... somewhere at /apps/gnucash/history or so
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15:45:04 <x> Okay, I will hunt that down, thanks!
15:46:40 <andi5> x: do you plan to further try out gnucash on windows? ... you could spawn gnucash with a directive to use a different gconf location then
15:47:25 <x> Argh, gconf-editor uses gnome-doc-utils which won't build for me.
15:47:48 <andi5> hm? apt-get install gconf-editor
15:48:19 <andi5> (you can also use gconftool-2 ... but that is quite unhandy)
15:48:39 <x> Hmm, didn't think that would work with the gconf that I have built from source...
15:48:47 <x> One way to find out. 8')
15:48:50 <andi5> why not?
15:49:10 <x> Because they're different versions.
15:50:05 <warlord> x: why did you build ANYTHING from source? ubuntu 7.04 has all the dependencies you need.
15:50:58 <x> It complained about wanting a newer glibc when I tried to build it.
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15:51:27 <andi5> hi zac1
15:51:35 <x> That gconf-editor worked by the way, woo!
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15:51:38 <zach-work> howdy
15:52:09 <andi5> x: i do not think that really answers warlords question :)
15:54:24 <zach-work> andi5: your comment earlier about samba mount... It's been tested :)
15:54:43 <zach-work> my datafile is on the linux machine with a samba share
15:54:55 <x> Warlord - gnucash 2.0.2 was extremely slow (to be unusable, really - takes about 1 minute to get load even the splash screen, and the GUI was inoperable once it loaded) So I tried to build gnucash-2.0.5 from source. When I ran ./configure, it errored out saying I needed glibc >= 2.4 I believe (I'm sorry I don't have the exact error anymore)
15:55:31 <warlord> x: there's a 2.0.5 package already.
15:55:35 <zach-work> and it gets accessed from both my machine, my wifes machine (both windows) and using remote X on my machine to the linux server (which accesses the datafile locally)
15:55:40 <warlord> no need to build from sources.
15:55:46 <jsled> zach-work: not datafile ... homedir. It looks like ~/.gconf, in particular.
15:55:53 <warlord> and even so.. All the dependencies already exist, so no need to rebuild those, either.
15:55:54 <zach-work> ahh...
15:56:22 <andi5> i do not even know whether sharing ~/.gconf is supported, given that there are lock files at $TMP
15:56:34 <zach-work> sounds like a recipe for disaster to have your windows homedir on a samba share
15:56:43 <andi5> zach-work: *g*
15:57:13 <zach-work> I attempted to use a remote home dir when I was runing linux on the desktop and that was a mess, too
15:57:59 <andi5> x: glibc or GLIB?
15:58:00 <jsled> x: I think the magic info here is to look at ubuntu.geole.info, which supposedly has a 2.0.5 backported package for Feisty.
15:58:22 <x> Warlord - Heh, now you tell me. 8') I guess I couldn't find it then - hmm, I still can't. Where do those usually show up?
15:59:23 <andi5> x: there is a gutsy package only.... there was some discussion about ubuntu packages a few days ago on gnucash-user.... they talked about suggesting backports to feisty and edgy, i think
15:59:45 <warlord> x: check the mailing list archive -- this was just discussed in the last week.
16:00:24 <x> Okay, thanks
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16:00:38 * andi5 still thinks it complained about glib :-)
16:01:40 <x> By the way, it doesn't crash on loading now (woo!)
16:01:47 <x> So thanks andi!
16:01:52 <andi5> np
16:01:56 <x> But it is still extremely slow over a link
16:02:06 <warlord> x: so what did you change?
16:02:25 <x> I removed the history from gconf-editor. with the C:\\ in it
16:02:27 <warlord> x: the "slow over remote-x" is most likely a gtk issue. Are other GTK apps slow, too?
16:02:37 <warlord> Interesting..
16:02:58 <x> Warlord- that's all I'm using, lemme check the gimp.
16:03:05 <andi5> warlord: i guess we should at least make sure that 2.1.x on win and unix work with slashes/backslashes, resp...
16:04:02 <x> Warlord - Actualy gimp runs super fast.
16:04:33 <x> gconf-editor is looking slow though.
16:05:02 <x> Any ideas?
16:05:54 <x> And thanks jsled for that link.
16:06:18 <x> Man I should have come here and bugged you guys first about it. 8')
16:06:37 <warlord> andi5: yep.
16:07:08 <warlord> x: hmm, i wonder what gimp does that gconf-editor and gnucash do not? (or vice-versa)
16:07:09 <andi5> so the computer you connect to is not the one your home directory is located on?
16:08:15 <x> The computer I'm running gnucash from is the same one that has the hard drive with my home directory on it.
16:09:25 <x> warlord- Good question! I'm not sure. Any other programs I should run to track it down?
16:10:29 <x> Here is an interesting tidbit: running gconf-editor (the window finally came up) totally has frozen up my previously-working konsole
16:10:31 <warlord> Um, not sure. It was more of a rhetorical question, I'm afraid.
16:10:36 <x> OK
16:10:55 <warlord> I tend not to run gnucash (or indeed MOST X apps) over remote ssh.
16:11:14 <x> this is actually not ssh.
16:12:20 <x> So I killed gconf-editor and now I can use konsole again...
16:12:50 <andi5> x: you could also run "gconftool-2 shutdown".... i do not think it will help, but maybe it does not harm
16:13:34 <x> Here is another interesting tidbit:
16:13:39 <x> If I do which gnucash
16:13:46 <x> I get the one I installed in /usr/local/bin
16:14:11 <x> But when I run gnucash and look in the about dialog, it says 2.0.2, which is the /usr/bin one.
16:14:26 <x> While if I run /usr/local/bin/gnucash, about says 2.0.5.
16:15:37 <andi5> hm.... somehow i remember some `rehash' command, but the last times i wanted to use it, they were non-existing.... any hint?
16:17:28 <andi5> oh, maybe `hash -r` does the trick
16:17:55 <x> ah-ha! Nice!
16:21:10 <x> Ahh, I think I have it figured out, why it's so slow...
16:21:28 <x> It's trying to connect to esd...
16:21:47 <andi5> depends on how you compiled libgnome...
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16:24:07 <x> Anyone have any ideas on how I can prevent gnucash from attaching to esd?
16:24:57 <x> I am looking at libgnome's configure now, hopefully I can turn it off there.
16:26:44 <x> Woohooo!!!!
16:28:30 <x> Awesomeness, it totally works now.
16:28:42 <zach-work> warlord: remote X works well if it's a fast link (LAN)
16:28:56 <zach-work> I used gnucash for a year or so like that
16:28:57 <x> And even better, I don't feel like an idiot for spending all day rebuilding gnome from source.
16:30:08 <x> zach - I've used it that way for years. I am using it right now and it is great.
16:30:30 <x> zach - he is right it can be slow over SSH though, all that encryption can slow things down.
16:30:40 <zach-work> i used it over ssh
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16:31:42 <zach-work> it was slow if I used it over the internet though... with the slow cable uplink
16:31:48 <x> It is still usable over ssh, but you can definitely tell the difference. On my peon computers anyway.
16:31:49 <andi5> x: what did you change now?
16:32:03 <x> andi- I rebuilt libgnome with --disable-esd
16:32:12 <x> Works like a champ!
16:32:13 <andi5> i see
16:32:37 <andi5> maybe there is also some ESD environment variable to turn it off, but well... you have a solution :)
16:33:34 <x> Awesome awesome awesome. I am so excited. I've been stuck in the low 1.8s with suse on my old fileserver that died. But now that I've been forced to reinstall I've got the latest greatest! Woo!
16:34:24 <x> Andi- Yeah, that ESD environment variable would be nice to know! I am sure there are some other gnome apps I'd like to use without having to recompile.
16:35:03 <x> Actually gconf-editor installed via apt is working.
16:35:24 <andi5> x: you could grep the libgnome sources for g_getenv :-)
16:35:27 <x> Interesting, it's preferring the one in /usr/local over /usr/bin even though I didn't link against it.
16:35:43 <x> heheh, let's do that. 8')
16:35:53 <andi5> who is preferring what?
16:36:06 <zach-work> /usr/local first in $path?
16:36:15 <andi5> probably
16:37:44 <x> zach - yes it is
16:38:01 <x> but that is /usr/local/bin
16:38:08 <x> not /usr/local/lib
16:38:32 <zach-work> gnucash installer sets library paths
16:38:53 <zach-work> or configure, i shoudl say
16:39:01 <x> Right, so I expect gnucash to use the one in /usr/local/lib
16:39:21 <x> But gconf-editor was installed via apt-get.
16:39:32 <zach-work> oh... gconf
16:39:40 <x> But it still is using the one I just recompiled.
16:39:54 <x> It appears to be, anyway - it works now....
16:40:24 <x> I wouldn't expect libgnome to modify things outside of the --prefix you give it.. ?
16:40:32 <x> When I installed it?
16:47:30 <x> Anyway, thanks Andi, Zach, Warlord and jsled!
16:47:35 <x> I really appreciate all of your help!
16:47:40 <x> Keep up the great work. Gnucash is awesome!
16:47:49 <andi5> x: gimme 5 ;-)
16:47:55 <x> 5!
16:47:58 <andi5> thanks
16:48:30 <x> Bye!
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17:00:08 <warlord> Huh, so... if you turn off ESD then gnucash-over-remote-ssh works fast?
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18:23:55 <nbinont> andi5: Hi! ..I'm not ignoring your e-mail...I'm actually trying to get it working here
18:24:16 <andi5> nbinont: hiho :)
18:24:37 <andi5> nbinont: i may have sounded a bit too harsh, i am sorry for that
18:24:56 <nbinont> andi5: no not at all
18:25:13 <jsled> Well, ESD should be going the way of the dodo anyways, so maybe the issue is moot.
18:25:19 <andi5> nbinont: do you experience new problems?
18:27:17 <andi5> jsled: i am surprised to see that one can still build libgnome with esd support...
18:29:30 <jsled> andi5: Well, I don't think Pulse has enough critical mass just yet, but it seems to be trending that way.
18:29:56 <andi5> pulseaudio?
18:30:12 <jsled> Aye. Thought I see that it's supposed to be a "drop-in" replacement.
18:30:30 <nbinont> andi5: I'm doing a fresh install of almost everything, and Goffice is looking for aqbanking/share/aqlocal ...but custom.sh doesn't install aqbanking untill After Goffice is installed. I'm going to try installing aqbanking before Goffice. Do you know if this will work?
18:31:25 <andi5> nbinont: just clean out your msys/etc/profile.d/installer.sh file ... or create an empty aclocal directory
18:36:20 <warlord> nbinont: goffice shouldn't care about aqbanking at all.
18:36:36 <nbinont> andi5: ah, missed that one
18:39:26 <nbinont> warlord: ok.
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