2007-05-05 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:13:13 <shwag> how do I delete an account ?
00:14:08 <jsled> right click on it in the account tree?
00:14:16 <jsled> Or there's both menu and toolbar buttons for the same action.
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10:59:45 <jsled> howdy.
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11:02:08 <warlord> hi jsled
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11:18:54 <hampton> morning all. it is still morning, isn't it?
11:19:33 * hampton finally has email back, after 24 hours.
11:19:42 <jsled> boo.
11:19:49 <hampton> I didn't know how addicted I am until now. :-)
11:25:45 <warlord> Hahaha
11:25:54 <warlord> I went 4 full dyas without email last week..
11:26:04 <warlord> (then I learned that the hotel had a computer and net)
11:26:48 <hampton> lol
11:35:03 <jsled> hampton: to confirm, the account group XML change results in files that 2.0 cannot read, correct?
11:37:30 <hampton> iirc, they can be read, but when you see the chart of accounts all you see is the root node. Everything else is shifted down one level.
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12:42:24 <jsled> hampton: I'm planning on flipping the account usage of allow_file_incompatability, unless you object?
12:42:50 <hampton> no objection
12:43:15 <jsled> (usages, I should say)
12:56:37 <jsled> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435690
12:56:41 <jsled> Uh. No.
12:58:08 <jsled> "I want a app-logic and major user interface addition to save me a bit of time in my obscure data mis-entry use-case."
13:07:52 <warlord> heh
13:08:54 <hampton> I can recreate the problem here. not sure why it occurs
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13:27:10 <jsled> hampton: you saw the print check dialog bugs?
13:27:37 <hampton> I did. andi5 fixed one, but I think there's one still open.
13:28:49 <hampton> Happy Cinco de Mayo all
13:29:22 <jsled> Oh, indeed.
13:30:00 <warlord> Indeed..
13:31:17 <jsled> Hmm. tehre's two more from Zach without response: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434407 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434409
13:31:21 <warlord> Okay, I'm gonna shutdown and start to migrate my homedir and data to my new laptop. See y'all this afternoon.
13:31:34 <jsled> good luck.
13:31:45 <warlord> Thanks.
13:31:46 <jsled> May your platters spin at top speed, &c.
13:32:07 <jsled> And write buffers be filled to 100%, or something.
13:32:25 <warlord> After I gave up on iwlwifi and just installed the ipw3945 driver my wireless stabilized.
13:32:38 <warlord> LOL. Thanks. It's only 100G or so to copy ;)
13:32:44 <warlord> Laters..
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13:49:30 <zac2> I'd never used check printing before, so when I did I found those handful of bugs :)
13:49:59 <zac2> Now that I've played with it, it's actually pretty cool
13:50:15 <zac2> not that I needed it, as I only write maybe 2 checks a month
13:50:52 <zac2> but it's extra nerdy to be able to give people printed checks :)
13:52:28 <zac2> Another thing that I was thinking may or may not be a bug in check printing:
13:52:44 <zac2> translation is a field in the .chk file
13:53:14 <zac2> but the dialog also lets you change the translation in addidtion to that
13:53:22 <zac2> which seems kinda weird
13:54:07 <zac2> and caused me some confusion when I was playing with custom checks
13:55:36 <zac2> it should probably default to the translation value of the check you have selected, or there should an 'additional translation' field
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14:01:25 <Possum> hmm... I'm sure you've all heard this before... I'm looking for conversion from QuickBooks (can export to .iif) to a format recognizable by gnucash
14:01:36 <Possum> I'm finding tons of apps online that do conversion the other way...
14:08:32 <Possum> intuit really likes to lock people in, yea? :(
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14:42:01 <zach> hampton: did you get what I'm saying in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434407 ?
14:42:46 <jsled> Possum: no ability to export QIF?
14:43:16 <hampton> The dialog remembers that I last used the custom setting.
14:44:19 <zach> not "custom"
14:44:23 <andi5> hm.... iirc there was/is some issue with saving the guid... i saw an empty string somewhere
14:44:31 <zach> but if you make a custom format, and save it
14:44:37 <zach> then try to use that format
14:44:46 <zach> it doesn't remember
14:44:46 <andi5> zach: does your check file have a guid set?
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14:44:58 <zach> umm... i don't think so
14:45:05 <andi5> have you checked?
14:45:09 <zach> 1` sec
14:45:12 <hampton> I'll try that, but I already have four custom check formats and it remembers which one of those I last used.
14:45:27 <zach> no
14:45:38 <zach> i guess the 'save' didn't give it a guid
14:45:53 <zach> GUID=
14:45:56 <zach> with no number
14:46:02 <zach> in the file
14:46:08 <andi5> that is the bug.... but you know my top priority :)
14:46:14 <zach> :)
14:46:53 <zach> andi5: you saw in my other bug that the GTK drawing problem happens with the "MS-Windows" format even on my new machine
14:47:13 <andi5> but the default theme does not have these problems?
14:47:31 <zach> it might have something to do with the fact that pidgin uses a shared GTK install
14:47:46 <zach> right, default doesn't have the problem
14:47:56 <andi5> yep, .... you might try to rename the shared gtk folder and retry
14:48:15 <andi5> iff you do not use pidgin for chatting ;-)
14:48:22 <zach> i do :)
14:48:34 <hampton> how odd. I do see that problem, even though I'm staring at the line of code that (supposedly) sets the guid.
14:48:38 <zach> is there a reason gnucash doesn't use shared gtk?
14:48:47 <andi5> hampton: oh, no windows-specific bug?
14:49:04 <hampton> no, I see the bug
14:49:06 <zach> hamton: ah-ha... I knew I wasn't crazy... jsut didn't know the 'real' bug
14:49:21 <hampton> I just don't see why it exists as I'm looking at the code that should set that field.
14:49:27 <andi5> zach: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434596
14:50:00 <zach> ok
14:50:18 <andi5> btw, ... i plan to ship wget and download/install qt and perl & f::q on demand.... do you think that is a good idea?
14:50:22 <zach> so you're afraid that since there's no package manager that changing GTK will break gnucash?
14:51:00 <zach> andi5: is there a way to set them to download and install when you first try to use the feature that requires them?
14:51:44 <andi5> zach: that question is similar to the "check for updates" bug..... gnucash has no "connectivity" library except aqbanking
14:51:57 <zach> hmm
14:52:23 <zach> so it'll be a link in the start menu, like install-fq-mods is now?
14:53:16 <hampton> I saw that check for updates bug. On one hand, I think it would be a total PITA and think customers would complain that we are spying on them. On the other hand, it would be a great way to get an idea of how many people are using GnuCash. On the gripping hand, it would .......
14:53:27 <andi5> hampton, zach: maybe it would be nice to see the output of gnc-fq-check if the user first tries to add quotes
14:54:10 <zach> hampton: windows users don't complain about spying... or they wouldn't be using windows :)
14:54:11 <hampton> eh? gnc-fq-check is called when gnucash starts, and partial output (i.e. the f::q version number) is already printed.
14:54:27 <zach> or the dozens of other 'automatic update' features in other programs
14:54:27 <andi5> hampton: how many users do start gnucash from command line :)
14:54:56 <hampton> I'm sorry, what's the problem with f::Q?
14:55:00 <andi5> hampton: oh, assuming the check failed, of course
14:55:30 <hampton> If the gnc-fq-check failed you are informed when you try and set the quote source on anything.
14:56:30 <andi5> was just a wild idea...
14:57:02 <hampton> I still don't understand the problem you are trying to solve.
14:57:21 <zach> hampton: windows users don't have perl installed
14:57:24 <zach> or qt
14:57:37 <zach> so people complain when the parts of gnucash that use them fail
14:57:49 <zach> so auto-install woudl be nice
14:57:53 <hampton> fail how?
14:58:03 <zach> 'get quotes
14:58:06 <zach> ' greyed out
14:58:07 <hampton> F::Q is optional. Just like hbci is optional.
14:59:14 <zach> andi5: maybe the installer can ask you if you want to install perl and qt and do it for you?
14:59:27 <andi5> yes, that is what i thought
14:59:48 <zach> lots of other software will do that... games for example ask you to download newest directx, etc
15:00:45 <zach> or when you release the 2.2.0 CD you can include it on there ;)
15:01:01 <andi5> any volunteer?
15:01:05 <zach> heh
15:01:30 <zach> ubuntu does it, so it's possible
15:01:56 <andi5> zach: if you have the feeling things are moving too slow on the win port, feel free to help whereever you want, just tell us :)
15:02:00 <hampton> I have a fix for the custom check guid problem.
15:02:01 <andi5> slowly
15:02:39 <zach> I do what I can... which is mostly complain about things :)
15:02:42 <hampton> zach: did you file a bug for the custom check format mixing up the positions of amount(words) and amount(number)?
15:02:45 <andi5> hehe
15:03:13 <zach> hampton: no
15:03:18 <hampton> ok.
15:03:27 <zach> is that a problem?
15:03:41 <hampton> no. I have a fix. I was looking for a bug number to put in the comment.
15:04:11 <zach> maybe I shoudl have said "was it a problem?"
15:04:18 <zach> becuase it has worked for me
15:04:55 <zach> andi5: the patches I
15:05:05 <hampton> afaict it swaps the position of the amount(number) and amount(words)
15:05:07 <zach> i've submitted to the bugs are the limit of my software ability
15:05:21 <zach> hmm
15:05:24 <andi5> zach: anything pending?
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15:05:39 <andi5> i mean, any patch?
15:05:44 <zach> andi5: no, you commited the few that I had
15:06:12 <andi5> just go on :)
15:07:02 <zach> hampton: my checks have printed with the correct orientation of 'words' and 'number'
15:07:13 <zach> even custom
15:07:39 <zach> well, custom file, I only played with the custom in dialog box a couple times
15:08:03 <hampton> its printing from the custom dialog that's a problem. anything from a check file is ok.
15:08:11 <zach> ok..
15:08:42 <zach> i got frustrated with the dialog pretty quickly and moved to editing a file
15:10:59 <hampton> I left the dialog because its been there forever. I don't expect people to use it much any more since its easy to create check formats now. You used to have to change the Scheme source to define a new check file.
15:12:30 <zach> It'd be nice to be able to 'load' a check file into the custom dialog to edit it and be able to re-save it...
15:13:03 <hampton> that's what text editors are for. :-)
15:13:21 <hampton> You can do so much more in the check format file than you can in the custom dialog.
15:13:23 <Possum> jsled, sorry, I was afk... no, Quickbooks doesn't support export to QIF, only to IIF (This is Quickbooks Premier 2004 Edition
15:13:30 <zach> I thought we're trying to appeal to the windows masses now, though
15:13:41 <Possum> jsled, I found two perl modules that might help me convert, so I'll try hacking them up
15:13:56 <zach> text editing config files is for 'power users' in the windows world
15:14:18 <hampton> Items can appear multiple times in the format file, so you can have side stubs, or bottom stubs, or business checks that have two stubs (one for the company and one for the recipient). You can't do any of that with the custom check dialog.
15:14:26 <jsled> Possum: just ot be clear, our importer can't handle business objects ... just transactions.
15:14:32 <zach> hampton: true...
15:14:45 <hampton> in fact, you'd lose data if you loaded one of those files into the custom check dialog.
15:15:37 <zach> so here's a Q for you.. if making/editing new check files is the 'right' way to do it, how do you generate a new GUID?
15:15:40 <hampton> I wrote a documentation chapter explaining the format of the check format files. All the information is out ther.
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15:15:58 <hampton> on linux, run uuidgen.
15:15:58 <zach> is GUID in the docs?
15:16:15 <zach> ok what about windows? ;)
15:16:26 <hampton> As of ten minutes from now, saving a check file will generate a new guid.
15:16:34 <hampton> The things you look through?
15:16:48 <hampton> Made of silica heated to high temperatures.
15:17:02 <zach> I should say Windows
15:17:36 <hampton> don't ask
15:17:55 <zach> or shoudl I say Windows™
15:18:05 <zach> :)
15:18:07 <hampton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID
15:21:23 <zach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows :)
15:24:31 <hampton> :-P
15:26:46 <andi5> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows1screen.png .... nice
15:27:50 <zach> it makes me sick to my stomach to look at that
15:40:55 <zach> hmm. CDs cost ~$0.60/ea in qty of 1000 + $0.25 packaging + postage ($0.63 US domestic)
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15:41:21 <zach> not that I'm volunteering (yet)
15:41:58 <andi5> zach: how long will you stay around here todayß
15:42:37 <zach> i'll be in and out all afternoon. got to walk the dogs, do other things, etc...
15:43:11 <andi5> so you could test something for me in the next hour or so?
15:43:13 <zach> but it's not quite 3PM here, so i'll be awake and at the computer occasionally for a while
15:43:19 <zach> yep.
15:43:22 <zach> lemme know
15:43:26 <andi5> 'k... will go on then
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15:43:55 <zach> and my new machine will compile is about half the time of the old one :)
15:44:53 <hampton> Now you just need a real operating system..... ;-)
15:45:20 <andi5> you mean vista?
15:45:42 <hampton> something that ends with the letter x
15:45:47 <andi5> minix?
15:46:07 <andi5> osx?
15:46:17 <zach> i think windows is like crack.. i used it for a long time, I switched to debian on my desktop for about 6 months and just had to come back
15:46:38 <andi5> lol...
15:46:42 <zach> i don't really know why... I just really needed windows again
15:47:00 <hampton> sold your soul, eh?
15:47:36 <zach> my server is (and has been) debian for a LONG time, and I wouldn't even considers windows for a server
15:47:41 <andi5> hampton: when installing winxp, just have to click to accept the eula, which means you effectively sold you soul, yes
15:47:50 <zach> but I just can't deal with it for desktop
15:47:57 <andi5> well, or is there one,... i do not know
15:48:35 <zach> I'm sure the EULA has something in there about soul selling, but nobody ever reads those :)
15:48:44 <andi5> §§ 2, i guess
15:49:33 <zach> alright... i'll be back in a bit.
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16:32:15 <zach> andi5: FYI, I tried the "MS-Windows" theme on my wife's machine (which has no other GTK apps on it) and the extra grey space showed up on it, too
16:32:48 <andi5> zach: one minute.... patch will come
16:32:54 <zach> ooh
16:35:22 <andi5> zach: do you want to have it applied or as diff?
16:35:42 <zach> whatever
16:35:59 <zach> fixed file is probably easier
16:36:00 <andi5> jsled, hampton: will you fix whatever harm it does to your systems?
16:36:04 <zach> rather than diff
16:36:18 <andi5> zach: just use "patch -Np1 < $thefile"
16:37:09 <zach> ok... I forget about msys...
16:37:17 <jsled> andi5: which? huh?
16:38:05 <andi5> well, it should not make any difference for systems not recognized as win32.... but i will not have time to look at it further today... otoh i would love if zach would test it
16:39:01 * andi5 is rather tired
16:39:07 <zach> where's the diff file? are you putting it in the bug? or email me zach at sadecki.net
16:39:17 <andi5> zach: will commit
16:39:21 <zach> ok
16:40:05 <administrator> Hello a have a question about the tax handling in gnucash.
16:40:07 <jsled> Oh, the patch. I see.
16:40:07 <administrator> Creating a Invoice with the invoice editor including the needed Tax work without any problems in Gnucash.
16:40:09 <administrator> In a test invoice a have a position with 100 Dollar Cost and a second position with the 10 Dollaer Tax Cost.
16:40:10 <administrator> The Total amount of the Invoice is 110 Dollar.
16:40:12 <administrator> The One part of the invoice (100 Dollar) goes directly to the Debitor account (activa) and the other part (10 Dollar) goes directly to the Tax account (Passiva) in Gnucash.
16:40:13 <administrator> The problem for me now is if i receve the money (payment) from the Above Invoice (110 Dollar).
16:40:15 <administrator> If i use the Process Payment the Invoice is marked as payed and the hole money including the Tax (110 Dollar) are transferred to my bank account in GnuCash.
16:40:17 <administrator> What i am now wondering is why i still have in Gnucash the 10 Dollars in my GnuCash Tax account ?
16:40:18 <administrator> Before of the payment a have a Aktiva account with 100 Dollar and a Passive Account with 10 Dollars.
16:40:19 <administrator> After the payment of the Invoice i have now a Active Account of 110 Dollar and a Passive account with 10 Dollars.
16:40:21 <administrator> From my view this is false becouse GnuCash transfer the 110 Dollars directly from the account where the 100 Dollars are Located.
16:42:59 <jsled> "Passiva" accounts are akin to Liabilities, I understand?
16:43:31 <administrator> Yes
16:44:05 <zach> andi5: I gotta head out again. I'll grab your patch later, test it and let you know.
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16:44:26 <andi5> zach-afk: thanks
16:44:30 <jsled> It sounds like when you process the payment, it's creating a single ¤110 transaction where it should be creating a split ¤{100,10} transaction.
16:44:46 <jsled> You might be able to adjust it as such after the fact. I'm not sure.
16:45:25 <jsled> I don't know if the invoice/payment handling supports creating tax-split transactions, or if it's this Active/Passive account structure that's the problem, or if you're just using it wrong.
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16:45:34 * jsled doesn't know much of anything.
16:45:35 <jsled> :/
16:45:39 <zach> andi5: is 16048 it?
16:45:52 <andi5> not completely
16:46:11 <zach> ok then.
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16:47:56 <andi5> jsled: any objection to use "%x" there -> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/FreqSpec.c#L747 ? there are some other files as well, maybe they contain the same, will have to check first
16:48:59 <jsled> andi5: That file will probably go away before 2.2.0, so maybe it's lower priority.
16:49:13 <jsled> But there's similar code in Recurrence.c
16:51:39 <andi5> jsled: any idea what http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/gnome/dialog-sx-editor.c#L63 is good for?
16:51:55 <andi5> (i want to kill have_langinfo_d_fmt and maybe even have_langinfo
16:53:18 <jsled> Hmm ... nothing stands out as I scan through the file. Remove it and see what breaks. :)
16:53:35 <andi5> it cannot break on windows, you know :)
16:53:52 <jsled> Ah, I don't. Give me a minute, then.
16:54:02 <andi5> but well, there is no other #ifdefd block, right?
16:54:28 <jsled> nope.
16:54:32 <jsled> it might be copy/paste crud.
16:54:37 <andi5> 'k
17:03:42 <andi5> jsled: r16049 is out.... i hope it works for you
17:04:37 * andi5 is back tomorrow evening
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17:07:16 <administrator> Sorry People it looks like the fault is on my side.
17:07:18 <administrator> GnuCash handle incoming payments that include tha Tax without any problems.
17:07:20 <administrator> I have just another question about the Tax handling in GnuCash.
17:07:21 <administrator> What happen if i buy now for Example a new Harddisk that have on the Invoice 5 Dollars tax.
17:07:23 <administrator> Normally the GnuCash Tax account for transffering money to the Gov should be (10 Dollars - 5 Dollars) = 5 Dollars
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17:31:05 <jackow> Hello, I just upgraded from Ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04. There are repositories for gnucash supporting hbci at http://ubuntu.geole.info/
17:31:05 <jackow> unfortunately gnucash doesn't show the HBCI-Buttons with the packages of this repository. Under Edgy Eft hbci worked quite good.
17:33:43 <jsled> I don't understand. geole.info has 7.04 packages with HBCI, but HBCI doesn't work in them?
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17:40:15 <jackow> Thanks for the answer. geole.info has packages gnucash-aqbanking-hbci. I installed them but there is no hbci assistent in gnucash menu
17:41:23 <entr0py> Can someone point me to a reference on how to customize an invoice (add company log)?
17:41:38 <jackow> have you tried the packeges of geole
17:41:48 <jsled> entr0py: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_you_make_the_organization_name_appear_on_my_Invoices.3F
17:42:01 <jsled> though it doens't talk about the logo.
17:42:22 <jsled> Scroll up a bit to see a related FAQ.
17:42:31 <jsled> jackow: no, I don't use ubuntu or HBCI
17:43:03 <entr0py> jsled: ok, saw the ref to org name, but completely missed the FAQ above it.... looking into that
17:45:36 <jsled> I'm off to the store; biaw.
17:47:43 <jackow> has anyone experience with HBCI?
17:49:09 <hampton> only a tiny bit. I thought the problem with ubuntu was a licensing issue, and that they built gnucash without hbci support.
17:49:35 <hampton> or perceived licensing issue, I should say.
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17:50:37 <hampton> I don't use ubuntu so I don
17:50:46 <hampton> ...so I don't follow that discussion
17:51:23 <jackow> Ubuntu is careful with licences. I don't think there is a licence issue but only german people use HBCI. So the support has few customers
17:52:03 <hampton> iirc it has something to do with the combination of openssl, aqbanking, and gnucash. search the archives
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17:53:33 <dbr> jackow: do you have qt installed?
17:54:15 <dbr> the setup utility/wizard needs qt (3, usually, but it can be made to work with 4)
17:54:59 <jackow> I have full installation of kde so qt should be on the system but i can check
17:55:49 <hampton> I checked the logs. its OFX that I'm thinking of. Don't know what's with hbci.
17:56:33 <dbr> HBCI probably has the same issue because gwenhywfar depends on openssl too (and thus aqbanking)
17:57:20 <dbr> jackow: just so I understand correctly: you aren't seeing either "online banking setup" or "HBCI setup" in the Tools menu?
17:57:24 <jackow> is the licence important for installing the package from a foreign repository?
17:57:52 <jackow> Neither .. nor
17:58:32 <jackow> allthough gnucash-aqbanking-hbci and gnucash-aqbanking is installed
17:58:34 <dbr> hmm. That's before the qt3 issue would be visible
17:59:31 <dbr> I'm out of my depth here. I do most of my building from source, and I know nothing about Linux packaging systems
17:59:54 <jackow> thanx
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18:00:22 <dbr> I think the licensing issue is that the openssl license at least sort of forbids distributing binaries.
18:01:06 <dbr> and there's some other twist about linking as well. But I haven't read the arguments lately.
18:01:23 <hampton> my understanding of the issue is that the debian packagers just don't include the --enable-xxx flags when they compile the package. Its easy to build from source and enable those flags yourself.
18:02:25 <dbr> and given the issues I've seen in the last couple days, it's easier to build them than find a package that includes them that also works easily
18:05:50 <jackow> yes i have done that in the past, but the package-management overwrites the built gnucash with its own version after the next update. So I wanted to have a precompile package
18:06:25 <dbr> ah. there's my ignorance of the package management system showing...
18:06:26 <hampton> you need to remove the package manager version before you build from source. Then you won't have that problem.
18:10:27 <jackow> ok i try that
18:10:32 <jackow> thanx again
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18:21:49 <Dolphin07> hello, i'm trying to organize my accounts in gnucash and it keeps creating one called Imballance-USD
18:22:29 <Dolphin07> is there a way to stop this?
18:27:37 <hampton> gnucash shouldn't do that unless you're not assigning destination accounts when you enter expenses
18:27:51 <hampton> or source accounts when you enter income.
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18:43:59 <entr0py> how do i tell gnucash which stylesheet to use when i generate an invoice?
18:44:14 <entr0py> it seems that I can set a default for reports, but it doesn't apply to invoices
18:45:32 <entr0py> there is also Report->Business->Easy Invoice for example, but whenever I click that I get a page that says "No Valid Invoice Selected"
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18:46:43 <entr0py> I have found that I can generate the invoice, right click and select "Report Options" where I can change the stylesheet, but I'd rather generate it with the correct stylesheet to start with
18:47:53 <jsled> I don't believe there's a way to change the default stylesheet, there. Though I don't know why the overall report default stylesheet wouldn't apply, here.
18:49:18 <entr0py> jsled: Is that something I should file a bug report on then?
18:50:22 <jsled> entr0py: If there's not already one, which there may well be.
18:50:47 <entr0py> Also, Is there a way to change the font size in reports (particularly invoices).
18:50:53 <entr0py> And page size?
18:51:47 <hampton> 1) no. see 350408. 2) don't know
18:54:58 <entr0py> hmm.. interesting
18:55:12 <entr0py> does anyone use gnucash to invoice ?? :)
18:59:12 <hampton> yes. not me though
19:03:15 <zach> did a bug ever get written on the language fallback problem?
19:03:20 <zach> where:LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
19:03:34 <zach> makes it use en_GB, when it should be US
19:10:17 <hampton> jsled: did you look at 425060?
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19:13:45 <jsled> hampton: not really. I've see a related/corresponding gentoo bug. I know that changes to the gnome2-common eclass should HUP gconfd-2. I recall testing it cleanly during the 1.9.x series.
19:13:50 <toddobryan> I've screwed something up. I accidentally deleted an Opening Balance entry and now can't figure out how to re-create it. (I can re
19:14:06 <jsled> I should probably do the same thing again. Or maybe actually play with vmware.
19:14:34 <jsled> toddobryan: opening balance transactions are just appropriateyl-dated transactions against the account Equity:Opening Balances.
19:14:52 <toddobryan> -create the entry, but can't tie it to Equity because the Equity account doesn't allow transfers and I can't choose it when I create the transaction.)
19:15:15 <toddobryan> Yeah. The Equity account doesn't show up to choose.
19:15:38 <jsled> Even Equity:Opening Balances?
19:15:55 <toddobryan> It doesn't even show up in my list of accounts, even though it's check in the Filter By... list.
19:16:30 <toddobryan> checkED, sorry.
19:17:38 <jsled> Is it maybe marked Hidden, or zero-balance? There's a second tab of the Filter By dialog that controls those.
19:18:01 <jsled> Did you delete it?
19:18:25 <toddobryan> It was marked Hidden.
19:18:27 <toddobryan> Thanks.
19:21:35 <toddobryan> OK. It was both hidden and a placeholder account, so I couldn't post anything to it.
19:24:30 <toddobryan> Next question: I had reconciled before I accidentally deleted it. Is there any way to make a 'y' show back up in the R column?
19:25:30 <jsled> re-reconcile, I believe is the answer
19:27:48 <toddobryan> That did it.
19:27:49 <toddobryan> Thanks!
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20:17:47 <entr0py> FWIW I just applied the path for fixing the fonts on reports to gtkhtml3 and that fixed the problem with tables leaking over the right side of the paper
20:24:47 <entr0py> I have another problem now. When I add a logo to an invoice, using a stylesheet heading banner, approximately half the image is cut off at the top of the page
20:24:54 <entr0py> but only when i print to a printer, not to a pdf
20:25:24 <hampton> could it be a non-printable area on your printer?
20:25:54 <entr0py> you can see it in the print preview cut off
20:26:01 <hampton> my HP has something like 0.25 inch on each side that can't be printed.
20:26:15 <entr0py> and I can't set a page size that I've been able to find, so I have no idea if it's something not right for my printer like A4 page size
20:27:05 <entr0py> ok, i'm looking closer at the page, and i can see the non-printable area, approx 3/8 " but even if it printed there, it would go off the paper as well
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20:34:08 <zach> hampton: the GUID saved in custom checks doesn't have the any hyphens in it... I guess that's not a problem, but it doesn't look right
20:35:04 <jsled> our GUIDs do not have hyphens
20:35:09 <hampton> add them if you like. Gnucash will strip them when it reads the guid so its not a problem.
20:35:11 <jsled> they're not UUIDs.
20:35:28 <zach> the standard check files have them in it
20:35:38 <zach> I'm all about consistency
20:35:40 <zach> :)
20:35:45 <hampton> that was me.
20:36:14 <hampton> they are semantically equal. you can put a dash between every two digits and gnucash wouldn't care.
20:36:47 <zach> also, maybe a better way to set the 'title' would be filename without extension...
20:37:14 <zach> that way it's not a multi-step process to save
20:37:23 <zach> and most people will probably set them to the same anyways
20:37:57 <zach> and one more thing... :)
20:38:07 <hampton> I wish you'd put that in the bugzilla. would have been an easier fix
20:38:11 <zach> why do you allow users to change directories when saving checks?
20:38:47 <zach> you can only use checks from a single directory, so changing dirs should either be supported for both or neither
20:39:32 <zach> hampton: i didn't think of it until I saw the new dialog... sorry
20:39:56 <hampton> because its a standard gtk dialog box and I don't see a way to disable navigation.
20:41:10 <zach> maybe it shoudl just be the 'title' dialog, and you have a static directory and filename generated from in behind the scenes
20:42:47 <zach> that way title gets set, filename is {title}.chk, directory is always ~/.gnucash/checks, and user doesn't need any more info
20:44:42 <zach> or just tell the user in the title dialog that the check will be saved in ~/.gnucash/checks, and they shoudl be able to put two-and-two together to figure out filename when they ls that dir
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20:59:19 <Dolphin07> hey does anyone know how to get rid of the imbalance-USD account
21:01:43 <zach> right click, delete account
21:18:18 <Possum> Did someone working on GnuCash write this? http://search.cpan.org/~plobbes/Finance-IIF-0.20.01/lib/Finance/IIF.pm
21:22:14 <hampton> Nope.
21:25:28 <Possum> interesting...
21:26:28 <Possum> I'm *hopefully* going to have a working IIF->QIF converter soon.... that module helps a _lot_
21:27:32 <Possum> Not promising anything though...I'll bet this guy was going for the same thing and gave up :P
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21:48:24 <C> hi
21:50:56 <C> I am trying to activate the online banking of GNUCash on Windows, from the exe install version. Is this possible?
22:05:25 <zach> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Online_banking
22:13:22 <C> If I didn't use an "install.sh" to install, does this still work? I have run the exe to install GNUCash, then the exe for QT, and then in the command prompt for QT, I type the "export..." commands listed at that link, and still nothing(actually get error messages)
22:16:25 <zach> C: maybe http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Q:_Anything_else.3F
22:16:39 <toddobryan> Should I list my house as an asset and then have my mortgage (and any 2nd mortgages or HELOCs) balance against the asset, or is that just silly?
22:26:19 <zach> toddobryan: nothing wrong with that... You have to have assets and liabilities listed if you actually want to know net worth
22:26:47 <zach> and if it's a new house/loan that's the right thing to do
22:27:25 <zach> if it was purchased before gnucash record, then maybe just balance each to equite:opening balances
22:27:47 <toddobryan> Okay...so I put say 100,000 in Assets:Home.
22:28:35 <toddobryan> Then when I set up the mortgage, instead of using Equity:Opening Balance, I'd like to grab the amount of the loan from the asset.
22:28:52 <toddobryan> But when I try that, it adds to the value of the asset instead of subtracting.
22:29:40 <toddobryan> Or is that not the right way to think of it?
22:29:55 <zach> loan values should be negative
22:30:01 <zach> and assets positive
22:30:31 <zach> so a single loan->home transaction will accomplish that
22:31:43 <toddobryan> OK. I have the mortgage loan as a liability.
22:32:09 <toddobryan> I bet I set up the house as a liability instead of an asset.
22:32:11 <toddobryan> Let me check...
22:32:33 <zach> default prefs show liability balances backwards (negative as positive)
22:32:43 <toddobryan> Yeah.
22:32:57 <toddobryan> OK. I increase the mortgage account to the amount I owe.
22:33:38 <toddobryan> And that also increases the amount of the asset.
22:33:47 <zach> yes
22:34:22 <zach> any diff can be made up with equity:opening balances
22:34:31 <toddobryan> OK.
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23:05:52 <zach> hampton: your 'title' work earlier wasn't wasted. see this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436255
23:05:58 <zach> I think it's a good solution
23:07:09 <zach> please tweak it if my coding sucks, though ?:)
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23:42:42 <chintan> I successfully built gnucash(without using ubuntu's synaptic)!
23:42:51 <chintan> I followed the steps as mentioned in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building
23:43:07 <chintan> There were a lot of dependencies missing so had to install them
23:44:03 <chintan> But this was the most interesting : *** [ca.gmo] Error 127
23:45:31 <chintan> Now the thing is that gnucash requires inttools but ./configure... does not detect the absence of inttool and the error comes during make
23:46:31 <chintan> anyway, now that I have got it working my way, please let me know if the configure options of the wiki are appropriate if I plan to develop on the code.
23:46:47 <chintan> I'll specifically working on qif importer
23:49:41 <chintan> should I install aqbanking also?
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23:51:28 <chintan> hi warlord
23:57:21 <warlord> hi.
23:57:25 <warlord> hold on a sec. need to reboot.
23:57:36 <chintan> ok
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