2007-05-03 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:20:01 <AnAx> Is there a way to sort transactions by their cleared status?
00:21:30 <warlord> SORT by? Umm.. not sure
00:22:49 <AnAx> I am assuming the capital letter "R" between Transfer and Deposit is cleared status.
00:23:09 <AnAx> I guess its just a held over habit from Quicken
00:25:43 <warlord> yes, the "R" column is the reconciliation status
00:27:20 <AnAx> Also I am unable to re size the Description column. I can only drag it bigger but not smaller. Any ideas?
00:29:29 <warlord> read the docs. resize other columns bigger, first.. then you can reduce the desc column. it will always autofill to fill the window size.
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00:35:50 <AnAx> Thanks for the info. I'm going to have to read up a bit but I may be back.
00:37:35 <warlord> ok
00:37:39 <warlord> i'm heading to bed
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05:59:09 <foo> Hmm, I think I found a bug. When I'm in a client invoice, and I go to File -> New Invoice.. it doesn't select the default billing period (30 days). But, when I go to Business -> Customers -> New Invoice, select the client... then it selects the 30day. No biggie, just an FYI
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06:49:28 <foo> gah, X crashed on me and I lost some stuff. That's a first. Is there any plans for an autosave feature?
07:03:44 * foo uses bug buddy
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07:10:21 <foo> ahhh, 2.1.1 is out
07:10:22 <foo> I need to upgrade
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07:15:06 <foo> oh, that's unstable
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07:39:39 <warlord> foo: the "autosave" plans are coordinated with the SQLite backend
07:39:55 <foo> warlord: ah
07:40:04 <foo> Hm, cool
07:40:07 <foo> warlord: Thanks :)
07:40:18 * foo installs 2.0.5
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08:37:50 <warlord> Hmm... F7t4 having LOTS of issues on my laptop.
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09:20:36 <jsled> Wow. x libraries update date, apparently. At least they'll all go quick...
09:21:03 <warlord> hmm
09:21:43 <jsled> (in gentooville, at least)
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09:45:14 <derek> Hi. How to password protect GnuCash? Anyone can open and see our accounts..
09:45:43 <jsled> derek: use an encrypted file system.
09:46:04 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Is_it_possible_to_provide_security_for_GC_data_using_CFS.2C_etc..3F
09:47:18 <derek> ok
09:47:19 <jsled> Or, it might suffice to just use stronger filesystem permissions.
09:47:27 <derek> hm
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09:47:38 <jsled> It depends on what level of security you want.
09:47:52 <derek> ok
09:48:32 <derek> And I suggested a friend to use gnucash (on windows). How to protect it there? File permissions aren't good there on windows
09:48:51 <jsled> File permissions on windows are generally better than unix.
09:49:06 <jsled> Also, IIRC, modern windows has built-in folder encryption.
09:49:17 <jsled> If not, third-party products can provide the same.
09:49:41 <jsled> As well, there's always manually encrypting/decrypting one's datafile using gpg or somesuch, though that can be tedious.
09:50:07 <derek> modern windows = vista?
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09:50:29 <jsled> I thought XP had folder security inbuilt, but I very rarely use windows.
09:50:52 <derek> file permissions on windows - better than unix?? The user management is not good there.
09:52:20 <jsled> Yeah, the ACL model is more capable than the default 3-level permissions model on unix, though there are extensions that provide similar ACL models to unix.
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10:29:03 <perlmonk> Hi everyone :) I'm wondering if there's a way to have gnucash translated
10:30:14 <jsled> The LANG (or LANGUAGE, or LC_*) environment variables control the translation.
10:34:27 <warlord> perlmonk: it's already translated into over a dozen languages.
10:35:57 <perlmonk> ok
10:36:10 <perlmonk> But if I don't want to change my locale ?
10:36:26 <jsled> Changing the locale *is* the way to change the locale. :)
10:36:37 <perlmonk> ok, put it this way
10:36:47 <perlmonk> I don't want to change my O.S. locale
10:37:07 <perlmonk> I just want to run gnucash with one of the other languages it's translated in
10:37:11 <jsled> Oh. Then create ~/bin/gnucash ... [[[ LANG=de_DE gnucash ]]]
10:37:18 <jsled> (or whatever)
10:37:37 <jsled> Or just start it from the command line, overriding the variable just for the scope of the app.
10:38:31 <perlmonk> hum, not sure how to do this
10:38:43 <perlmonk> should have a command line option to specify the language...
10:38:43 <warlord> perlmonk: env LANG=de_DE gnucash
10:38:55 <warlord> perlmonk: no, it's a locale setting.
10:38:56 <perlmonk> or the option should be given in the preferences
10:38:59 <jsled> no, it shouldn't.
10:39:01 <perlmonk> warlord, ok, thank you
10:39:04 <warlord> no, it should not
10:39:09 <perlmonk> jsled, why shouldn't it ?
10:39:48 <warlord> because that's not how locales work.
10:39:52 <jsled> because it's about as easy ... and in line with all other pieces of the system ... to use the well-established locale environment variables to change the locale.
10:39:58 <perlmonk> What's so wrong about having this option in preferences ?
10:41:10 <jsled> Because custom things (a gnucash-specific option) aren't as desireable when standard things (locale, LANG, LC_MESSGAES) exist.
10:45:14 <perlmonk> env LANG=fr_FR gnucash
10:45:17 <perlmonk> This won't do it
10:45:59 <perlmonk> Well, whatever, I give up on this, I'll simply look for the vocabulary I lack of in an english dictionary
10:46:10 <perlmonk> this is a messed up thing imho
10:46:14 <perlmonk> thanks anyways
10:46:18 <jsled> try `env LANG=fr_FR locale`
10:46:23 <jsled> perlmonk: hold on a second.
10:46:33 <perlmonk> hum
10:46:38 <perlmonk> ok, lemme try this one
10:46:41 <jsled> can you http://pastebin.ca/ the output of that?
10:47:45 <perlmonk> http://www.pastebin.ca/469054
10:48:11 <perlmonk> Yeah, now I remember I did not install locales, stupid me :P
10:48:27 <jsled> The bash error is saying the command is wrong.
10:48:57 <jsled> I mean, it's trying to execute the string "LANG=fr_FR" as the command, rather than as a variable setting.
10:49:12 <jsled> What command did you enter, exactly?
10:49:37 <perlmonk> heh
10:49:41 <derek> Hi
10:49:45 <perlmonk> I entered with ``
10:49:49 <jsled> Ah. Heh.
10:49:57 <perlmonk> I thought you wanted an execution of it
10:49:58 <perlmonk> ok
10:50:06 <jsled> Sorry; without the quotes. :)
10:50:07 <perlmonk> I know nothing about locales
10:50:09 <derek> Why are so many .log and .xac files being created alongside my accounts file?
10:50:12 <perlmonk> ok, I go without
10:50:38 <warlord> derek: file security.
10:50:39 <perlmonk> http://www.pastebin.ca/469059
10:51:44 <jsled> perlmonk: that might work as-is as `LANG=fr_FR gnucash`. You might want to try `unset LANGUAGE; env LANG=fr_FR gnucash`, if it doesn't work, though.
10:52:06 <jsled> I don't recall if LANG or LANGUAGE has precedence.
10:52:45 <cortana> LANGUAGE > LANG
10:53:11 <jsled> That does make sense.
10:53:40 <perlmonk> Ok
10:53:44 <perlmonk> Neither of those worked
10:53:53 <perlmonk> Time to learn some more vocabulary
10:53:56 <perlmonk> in english
10:54:27 <cortana> perlmonk: check if you have usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gnucash.mo
10:54:48 <perlmonk> That's ok cortana, thanks anywyas
10:56:36 <derek> warlord, those are backups?
10:56:56 <jsled> derek: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.xac_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F
10:57:06 <derek> warlord, btw, do you know how to use gnupg with gnucash?
10:57:13 <derek> jsled, thanks
11:01:15 <warlord> derek: sure. you gpg-encrypt after you quit gnucash, and then gpg-decrypt prior to using gnucash.
11:01:28 <derek> ok
11:17:03 <derek> thanks
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12:56:53 <perlmonk> Ok, I tried to handle it in english but it's really not comfortable
12:57:06 <perlmonk> So I decided to apply locales to the whole syste,
12:57:16 <perlmonk> Now, part of the system is in my native language
12:57:22 <perlmonk> but gnucash still is in english
12:57:40 <perlmonk> I reconfigured my locales to have my native language...
12:57:46 <perlmonk> :(
12:58:45 <perlmonk> Damn, not it worked
12:58:51 <perlmonk> how strange...
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13:09:44 <perlmonk> ...All this to discover it's not what I'm looking for... nevermind, I'll code it myself.
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16:03:52 <chris> Hey andi5.
16:04:34 <chris> Your questions yesterday prompted me to look into better ways of using git-svn.
16:05:10 <chris> I grabbed the very freshest git-svn and used the new commands.
16:05:32 <chris> It's changed quite a bit.
16:06:25 <chris> It now stores its config into .git/config.
16:07:16 <chris> And I recloned gnucash, and it turns all the tags and branches into remote branches - very cool.
16:08:03 <chris> so now a fetch only fetches trunk by default.
16:08:36 <chris> and switching between branches is very quick.
16:09:31 <chris> the packed repo with the entire history is 230Mb.
16:10:33 <chris> I don't fully understand the new design, though. It seems like every branch has its own index?
16:12:29 <chris> Because it's actually 84MB for the object database and 142MB for .git/svn.
16:43:09 <andi5> chris: hiho.... what version do you use now effectively?
16:43:55 <andi5> chris: and what do you mean by "fetch fetches trunk by default"? ... from within the cloned repos or the original?
16:43:59 <andi5> git-svn or git
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16:56:48 <chris> well, I took a risk and actually only updated git-svn, so it's the latest git-svn with git 1.5.0.6
16:57:41 <andi5> luckily, ubuntu gutsy is pretty uptodate, so i could switch to 1.5.1.3 yesterday
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16:59:15 <andi5> huh.... .git/svn is big for you? less than 2 mb for me, each tracked url
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17:02:53 <chris> Actually, I'm not so sure about "fetches trunk by default"
17:03:51 <chris> I _think_ that it won't fetch from the branches I'm not on unless I do --fetch-all.
17:04:04 <andi5> actually, it checked all branches for me... but maybe "-i trunk" will restrict it to trunk ..... seems like git-svn rebase will be my new friend
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17:05:51 <andi5> i do not really understand what --fetch-all is good for.... clone says that it will not eat --fetch-all but all other params to fetch.... but where is that param documented?
17:06:29 <chris> under .git/svn is a dir for each branch and under that are index, and .rev_db, and unhandled_log.
17:06:59 <andi5> yes, all pretty small
17:07:17 <andi5> maybe because you checkout more than i did
17:08:12 <chris> hmm, not so small for me, ~ .5Mb.
17:08:25 <andi5> trunk r14200:HEAD contains files of size 657kb, 212kb and 291kb for .rev_db, index and unhandled, resp.
17:09:04 <andi5> did not say that you see 142MB in .git/svn?
17:09:40 <chris> I have similar except 791kb for unhandled.
17:10:11 <chris> yes, 142Mb for 69 branches.
17:10:48 <chris> oh, one of which is "tags".
17:10:51 <andi5> hm.... did you use "git svn init" 69 times?
17:11:07 <chris> with 209 directories.
17:11:14 <chris> of course not! :)
17:12:03 <andi5> in .config, i have a [svn-remote] category which lists the repo url and the three branches i track
17:12:10 <chris> I did:
17:12:11 <chris> git-svn init svn+ssh://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash -T trunk -b branches -t tags
17:12:53 <chris> my config:
17:12:55 <chris> [svn-remote "svn"] url = svn+ssh://svn.gnucash.org/repo fetch = gnucash/trunk:refs/remotes/trunk branches = gnucash/branches/*:refs/remotes/* tags = gnucash/tags/*:refs/remotes/tags/*
17:13:27 <chris> ugh, bad wrapping, you get the idea.
17:13:43 <andi5> oh, that is nice, but as you said, probably overkill :-)
17:14:23 <chris> well, maybe, but before, the _checkout_ was rooted at gnucash/ !
17:14:38 <andi5> git svn init svn+ssh://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/trunk (tells me then what top-level repo url it will use), then fetched at -r14200 and then fetch again
17:14:40 <chris> now, each checkout is just of one branch.
17:15:05 <andi5> oh, with -i trunk
17:15:18 <chris> $ git-branch -r|wc 277 277 4640
17:15:50 <andi5> 3 3 33
17:15:57 <chris> OH!
17:16:09 <chris> You started at -r14200 ?
17:16:12 <andi5> yep
17:16:23 <chris> how did you do that?
17:16:39 <andi5> git svn init... then git svn fetch -r14200 ; git svn fetch
17:17:01 <andi5> the git svn init .../branches/2.0 -i 2.0 ; git svn fetch (it will find the branching point) ...
17:17:06 <andi5> s,the,then,
17:18:30 <andi5> btw, git branch [-r] -v is nice :)
17:19:39 <chris> so, you're using multi-fetch then?
17:19:49 <andi5> yes
17:19:57 <chris> those additional inits could have been from completely different repos.
17:20:07 <andi5> yes
17:20:11 <chris> (that's the usage I envisioned for multi-fetch)
17:21:53 <chris> Did you see that git-svn graft-branches went away?
17:22:22 <andi5> well, i am not completely sure... i have only one [svn-remote] category.... so that will probably still differ from real multi-fetches
17:22:44 <andi5> no, what was that about?
17:23:03 <chris> Did you create the [svn-remote] yourself or did git-svn init?
17:23:07 <andi5> git-svn init
17:23:23 <andi5> well, 1.5 is really cute... so much more fun
17:23:38 <chris> And it was smart enough to consolidate like urls into the same config?
17:23:44 <andi5> yep
17:24:14 <andi5> it goes like ... .../repo/trunk => .../repo (top-level url)
17:24:20 <chris> graft-branches would detect merges, but I guess it happens automatically now.
17:25:19 <andi5> too bad you still have to say that you want empty directories to be removed
17:25:30 <andi5> git cannot handle empty directories... makes me wonder
17:25:31 <chris> how big is your object database?
17:25:45 <andi5> 128MB
17:26:06 <chris> andi5: the trick there is just create a ".empty" file.
17:26:06 <andi5> but i did not tell it to compress anything
17:26:25 <chris> you've never '
17:26:28 <chris> "git-gc"?
17:26:54 <andi5> i checked out once again yesterday
17:26:58 <chris> git-gc will pack, among other things.
17:27:15 <chris> oh, I see.
17:27:40 <andi5> yes.... i accidentally removed my main repository ;-)
17:28:00 <chris> oops
17:28:05 <andi5> puh... that takes a while.... is it that slow each time?
17:28:23 <andi5> hm.... only the first 1000 objects... nice
17:28:38 <chris> no, not nearly.
17:28:50 <chris> it's only slow the first time.
17:29:01 <chris> but it speeds everything up.
17:29:12 <andi5> what does it do with the first pack if i git-gc the second time?
17:29:35 <andi5> will, when... ignore my english, please :)
17:29:40 <chris> repacks it.
17:29:58 <chris> but that's quick.
17:30:03 <andi5> is there a way to see what packs i have?
17:30:18 <andi5> huh... 20MB now.... is that less? ;-)
17:30:48 <andi5> Q: does it deltify the objects somehow?
17:30:51 <chris> What am I? a calculator?
17:31:00 <andi5> yes..
17:31:12 <chris> A: yes.
17:31:17 <andi5> chris$ 128-20
17:31:35 <andi5> evalf
17:32:22 <chris> chris$ *** glibC detected *** double free or corruption
17:32:39 <andi5> killall chris
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17:33:27 <andi5> did i set him to auto-restart?
17:34:14 <andi5> bootbootboot
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17:35:46 <chris> all better
17:36:10 <andi5> Welcome to #gnucash... Have a nice day
17:36:48 <andi5> What do you want to calculate today?
17:38:44 <foo> haha
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19:18:19 <chris> @op
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21:31:50 <sgtmattbaker> how do you enable ofx to do online banking? I ran gnucash with --enable-ofx and hbci options and it said that they weren't in the .gnucash/data area
21:47:25 <warlord> sgtmattbaker: you need to compile gnucash with those options
22:00:17 <sgtmattbaker> warlord: does that work on Feisty? Dad wants to see if this can replace Quicken
22:00:43 <sgtmattbaker> I am trying this
22:00:44 <sgtmattbaker> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian
22:01:42 <warlord> It probably applies.
22:01:49 <warlord> And yes, it should work on Fiesty
22:01:56 <sgtmattbaker> ok
22:01:57 <sgtmattbaker> cool
22:02:09 <sgtmattbaker> so how does the OFX work?? I have never used online banking before
22:03:10 <warlord> Well, OFX is both a file format and a communication protocol.
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22:05:44 <dbr> see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2
22:08:00 <dbr> also http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings
22:18:03 <sgtmattbaker> I have tried this link: and I am getting errors during the compile : http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian
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22:26:31 <sgtmattbaker> I am getting an error when trying to compile gnucash (I am following this walk-through http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian) details: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19070/
22:29:09 <warlord> sgtmattbaker: well, you should build 2.0.5, not 2.0.2
22:29:37 <sgtmattbaker> I followed all the stuff on there and when I do the source thing I get a 2.0.2 folder
22:31:16 <sgtmattbaker> in gnucash folder there is a gnucash-2.0.2 folder
22:33:24 <warlord> right, because you're tryig to build 2.0.2 instead of 2.0.5. i know 7.04 has 2.0.5 available. i dont know if there is an ofx plugin.
22:33:53 <warlord> this error: make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
22:34:08 <warlord> implies that you didnt run configure... or configure failed
22:34:34 <sgtmattbaker> hmm, well I am in Feisty and I ran apt-get source gnucash libaqbanking and that is the version it gave me
22:35:14 <warlord> i dont use ubuntu -- what # is that?
22:35:31 <sgtmattbaker> # ?
22:36:10 <sgtmattbaker> if you mean the distro version it is 7.04, but the apt-get source gnucash libaqbanking gave me a guncash version 2.0.2
22:37:57 <warlord> i know that if you have the right sources.list in 7.04 you can get 2.0.5
22:39:16 <sgtmattbaker> hmm
22:39:21 <sgtmattbaker> let me show you my sources
22:41:02 <sgtmattbaker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19071/
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22:56:07 <dbr> I don't know Linux, but there's http://www.geole.info/Deb-Packages-for-Ubuntu-Feisty.90.0.html?&l=1 to consider
22:58:42 <sgtmattbaker> isn't there some license issue with having that support prepackaged?
22:59:17 <dbr> certainly a question
22:59:49 <sgtmattbaker> I dont understand why my compile failed
22:59:55 <sgtmattbaker> this is frustrating
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23:00:36 <dbr> but it's Geole's question, not yours
23:03:09 <sgtmattbaker> Geole?
23:03:41 <dbr> the deb package source with hbci/aqbanking rolled in
23:03:54 <sgtmattbaker> who is Geole
23:04:13 <dbr> the only thing I know is the link above
23:05:58 <sgtmattbaker> who is Geole
23:07:09 <dbr> a web site that offers some deb files for ubuntu
23:07:16 <sgtmattbaker> oh
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