2007-05-02 GnuCash IRC logs
00:00:14 <derek> :) no
00:00:38 <derek> just that I have never come to deal with such accountancy terminology before
00:01:00 <warlord> well, it's all in the docs. you should read them.
00:01:14 <warlord> Anyways, bedtime for me. good night.
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00:03:24 <derek> good night to you
00:03:58 <nelt> What might cause just one of my qxf imported items to get "Do not import (no action selected)"?
00:04:21 <nelt> s/qxf/qfx/
00:04:53 <nelt> The item looks just like the others in the same file and they all work. I'm baffled.
00:04:59 <nelt> It's totally repeatable.
00:05:30 <nelt> (Plus the icon before "Do not import" looks corrupted...
00:05:46 <nelt> I can offer a screenshot if you need it.
00:06:26 <nelt> (this is with 2.0.5 fc6, I tried compiling the latest, but I get a crash when I run it)
00:09:13 <dbr> anything strange about the date of the 'rogue' transaction?
00:10:59 <dbr> also, any chance you already imported the same transaction before? It really shouldn't show up again in that case, but 2.0.5 was missing some matching capability
00:11:23 <dbr> but that should only have been direct connect imports
00:11:33 <nelt> file import
00:11:46 <nelt> happened the first time (and all subsequent times)
00:12:11 <dbr> If the matching score is 0, then it offers to add the transaction
00:12:17 <nelt> of course only that transaction shows up when I try to import the file again.
00:12:35 <dbr> if the matching scores is low, but not 0, then it may say 'do not import'
00:12:43 <dbr> *score
00:12:47 <nelt> What is it trying to match?
00:13:02 <dbr> amount and date, I think
00:14:16 <nelt> The same date shows up to two other transactions that worked, so I think it's ok.
00:14:56 <dbr> but is the amount exactly the same or within a dollar of one of the other transactions from the same date?
00:15:22 <dbr> the matcher might be burping on that.
00:15:27 <nelt> nope
00:15:55 <dbr> You should be able to just check 'Add' and then see if it matches an earlier transaction.
00:16:09 <dbr> I have problems with checks that don't clear for 3 weeks
00:17:11 <nelt> I'm guessing "A" is for add (couldn't figure that out!)
00:17:48 <dbr> yes
00:18:43 <nelt> how can I tell if it matches an earlier transaction?
00:20:19 <nelt> It went in fine.
00:20:22 <dbr> the R column is for reconcile (match an existing transaction)
00:21:02 <nelt> should I have checked that as well?
00:21:21 <dbr> you can only check either A or R (or neither)
00:21:27 <nelt> ok
00:21:57 <nelt> how can I debug the matching score?
00:22:01 <nelt> Is there a way to see it?
00:22:43 <dbr> it's the number of bars under 'info' on the matcher dialog (red, yellow, and green)
00:23:11 <dbr> I _really_ don't understand the matching scores
00:23:27 <nelt> fair enough.
00:23:58 <nelt> how about the "corrupted" icon?
00:24:25 <dbr> hmm. That I'd have to see. I don't think I've ever experienced it.
00:25:58 <dbr> That's 3 red bars and 1 yellow bar = matching score of 4, in the yellow, meaning it doesn't think it matches well enough
00:26:10 <dbr> the white dots are a bit odd, though
00:26:36 <nelt> ahhhh, the score! thanks. I didn't get that at all.
00:27:23 <nelt> yea, the white dots are what made me think corruption.
00:28:01 <dbr> the score is a little obscure, and scores of 1 or 2 are the ones that I get cranky about for delayed checks
00:28:40 <dbr> if I say R, then the low score ends up causing the reconcile to fail for that transaction, even though I know it should match
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00:53:20 <nelt> BTW, thanks for your help.
00:53:28 <dbr> you're welcome
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14:17:36 <cstim> .
14:17:36 <gncbot> cstim: Sent 2 days, 1 hour, and 33 minutes ago: <warlord> Looks like the updated svn2cl.xsl changes you applied fix my problem.
14:17:49 <cstim> @tell warlord good to hear about svn2cl.xsl.
14:17:49 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
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14:44:37 <warlord> .
14:44:37 <gncbot> warlord: Sent 26 minutes ago: <cstim> good to hear about svn2cl.xsl.
14:44:41 <warlord> thanks
14:47:52 <cstim> warlord: the new stroller is SO cool!
14:48:27 <cstim> I consider signing up for next year's Hamburg Marathon just because this stroller is so much fun to run with.
14:48:56 <warlord> LOL
14:49:04 <warlord> I'm glad you and Anne like it
14:49:07 <cstim> @tell andi5 Can you recommend an IRC client on windows?
14:49:07 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
14:49:18 <cstim> warlord: yes, absolutely! Thank you so much!
14:49:21 <jsled> xchat-2?
14:50:06 <warlord> mIRC?
14:50:17 <warlord> cstim: you're absolutely welcome!
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14:56:06 <cstim_win> huh. cstim doubled.
14:56:21 <cstim> must be related to the fact I've two keyboards/monitors/machines on my desk ATM.
14:56:49 <cstim> but Maia wants to t0yp ,n
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14:57:34 <cstim> 8222211111zt j ml m k r4tvl.t4vö+#
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14:59:02 <warlord> Hiya Maia!
14:59:07 <warlord> (she's so cute!)
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15:18:01 <andi5> cstim: hiho :) .... well, i am used to pidgin (gaim)
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15:29:15 <warlord> yay! new laptop!
15:30:09 <cstim> warlord: congrats! which one is it?
15:34:04 <warlord> T60
15:34:19 <warlord> Core2Duo T7600, 4G / 200G
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15:41:44 <cstim> Is 200G the weight? 200 grams? :-)
15:42:10 <cstim> For my work I got a lenovo T60.
15:42:24 <andi5> 200G ram and 4G L1 cache
15:42:37 <cstim> heh
15:44:42 <andi5> oh .... git svn fetch fetches all branches now... this is weird (new) and breaks my (broken) setup....
15:45:16 <andi5> but someone boosted it... a lot faster now
15:46:02 <cstim> andi5: which version of git now?
15:46:13 <andi5> 1.5.1.2
15:46:34 <cstim> yeah, with git-1.5.x the svn/cvs imports have been improved a lot.
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15:47:11 <andi5> i have not left the ubuntu path for git, maybe i am old-fashioned ;-)
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16:09:22 <andi5> that is rediculous: """Last fetched revision of refs/remotes/register-rewrite was r15316, but we are about to fetch: r15316!"""
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16:16:59 <andi5> chris: are you around?
16:21:16 <chris> andi5: yeah
16:22:25 <andi5> chris: somehow i garbled up my main git repository (i have others as well ;-)) ... maybe it is time to think about what possibilities git gives us? *g*
16:22:34 <andi5> best time to fetch from some common ancestor
16:23:18 <chris> hmm, I'm interested.
16:23:51 <andi5> i am reading http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html right now.... still at the beginning, i am not sure what benifits a shared repos will have if everybody needs to commit to the central svn repository
16:24:15 <chris> however, 1) I don't have access to my git rep right now, and 2) I don't know what my upload speeds are like.
16:24:31 <chris> also, I never understood your setup.
16:24:35 <andi5> wrt 2) mine is really bad
16:25:03 <andi5> regard my setup as non-existent ;-)
16:25:16 <chris> I just specified the tags and branches paths as arguments to git-svn init.
16:25:20 <chris> (IIRC)
16:25:39 <chris> and I never set any environment variables.
16:25:46 <andi5> well, i tracked several branches in one repository
16:26:15 <chris> Well, so did I.
16:26:18 <andi5> seems like git 1.5 makes this much easier.... maybe you did not use 1.4?
16:26:56 <chris> I didn't use 1.4
16:27:43 <chris> and actually, I noticed that the docs are newer than what I have.
16:27:58 <andi5> which docs?
16:28:07 <chris> For example, there's a new git-svn rebase command.
16:28:22 <andi5> oh, wow....
16:28:59 <chris> well, git/Documentation/git-svn.txt for one, but I think it's the source for the online docs, too.
16:29:31 <chris> apparently, it does something like git rebase remotes/git-svn
16:29:57 <chris> oh, and with a git-svn fetch, too.
16:30:09 <chris> so, more similar to a svn up.
16:30:20 <andi5> and you say you do not have "git-svn rebase"?
16:30:41 <chris> no, I think it's in 1.5.1 or so.
16:31:15 <chris> I have 1.5.0.6
16:32:44 <andi5> so my major question is: do you know what benefits a shared repos might have? ... you suggested it (or at least to share something), sooo... ;-)
16:32:45 <chris> I also wonder whether the approach I took (of cloning *everything*) is really a good idea.
16:33:13 <andi5> you mean you cloned your repository to a different directory?
16:34:07 <chris> no, I mean my checkout has every single branch and tag from the beginning of time.
16:34:19 <andi5> wow...
16:34:38 <chris> yeah, probably overkill.
16:35:04 <chris> anyway, one benefit is just gitk.
16:35:11 <chris> It's pretty sweet.
16:35:50 <chris> and it would make binary searches faster.
16:36:11 <chris> oh, you're really asking about shared repos...
16:36:18 <andi5> yep
16:37:15 <chris> well, possibly a lower barrier to contribution.
16:37:45 <chris> but as long as were pretty liberal about svn commit access, that's not too much of a difference.
16:38:47 <andi5> is it always possible to push changes back to the repository you cloned?
16:39:04 <andi5> (that would be horror ;-))
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16:51:49 <chris> andi5: sorry, I had some network troubles here.
16:52:23 <chris> I don't think I understand the question.
16:52:32 <andi5> seems like all these inconveniences from 1.4 have vanished.... git-svn rebase, dcommit and fetch all automagically determine the correct urls... nice
16:52:41 <chris> but if I do, the answer is, not unless you have permission.
16:52:54 <andi5> ok
16:53:04 <chris> oh, yes, they do.
16:54:45 <chris> I haven't actually pushed and pulled between any git repos except my own.
16:56:40 <andi5> same holds for me... i even stopped that and had separate repositories (cloned once), mainly working only on trunk..... time to check out again whether one can have several working directories/indices using the same object database
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17:01:49 <chris> I'm sure you can, because I've seen it, but I've never done it myself.
17:03:57 <chris> If I had to guess, I'd wager that git-svn will improve significantly in the next 6 months.
17:04:12 <andi5> why that? gsoc?
17:04:50 <chris> partly that, and partly just that a lot of groundwork has been laid.
17:06:17 <chris> for example, I expect that git-svn will soon learn to preserve fine-grained history in your own repo that looks like a single commit to svn.
17:07:11 <chris> It's certainly possible to do it yourself even today, but it's a pain.
17:07:37 <andi5> hm? .... i do not understand that :) ... what is that different to merging a local branch?
17:08:12 <chris> It's exactly that, but what if you want to commit your merge as one commit?
17:08:30 <andi5> ah, right
17:08:55 <chris> you can --squash merge it, but then you'll lose the detain in your history, after you commit.
17:09:00 <chris> *detail
17:09:20 <andi5> hum.... imho there were two commit commands in 1.4... dcommit and commit
17:09:23 <andi5> weird
17:09:33 <chris> really?
17:09:39 <chris> git-svn commit?
17:09:46 <andi5> one moment
17:10:03 <chris> I wonder what the 'd' is for?
17:10:13 <andi5> delta
17:10:26 <chris> ah, makes sense.
17:12:02 <andi5> git commit: """You should consider using dcommit instead of this command. Commit specified commit or tree objects to SVN. This relies on your imported fetch data being up-to-date. This makes absolutely no attempts to do patching when committing to SVN, it simply overwrites files with those specified in the tree or commit. All merging is assumed to have taken place independently of git-svn functions."
17:12:29 <andi5> git-svn, of course
17:13:13 <chris> I think that maybe got renamed to set-tree
17:13:29 <andi5> hehe... yehh
17:13:46 <chris> and I have no idea how that can be safe with multiple users committing to svn.
17:14:25 <andi5> it is not... ;-)
17:14:59 <chris> well, that explains why I've never used it, :
17:15:01 <chris> :)
17:49:17 <warlord> time for NERAX. Later, all.
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21:04:30 <chris> hey hampton.
21:04:47 <hampton> hi chris
21:05:18 <chris> how's it going?
21:05:38 <hampton> pretty good, pretty good
21:05:43 <chris> banging on Qof/
21:05:43 <chris> ?
21:06:44 <hampton> almost done. I blame warlord. If he hadn't gone and converted all the objects to be GObject based, I'd have a lot more free time on my hands. :-)
21:06:51 <jsled> heh.
21:07:59 <chris> free time? what's that for? :)
21:08:12 <hampton> lol. writing code?
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23:17:49 <derek> Hi
23:18:33 <derek> I get my salary (income) deposited by the company in a bank account (salary account provided by the co.) Should I place that account in Income or in Assets?
23:19:14 <dbr> the account goes in assets, the transaction goes from income to bank account
23:19:37 <derek> I do not transfer the money from that salary account to any other bank account. I use it from the salary account itself. But still it has become an asset for me once I receive it. So I'm not sure as to where to place this salary bank acc.
23:20:06 <dbr> the account is an asset
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23:20:15 <dbr> deposits to the account are income
23:20:17 <warlord> Oh, hampton ... All MY fault?
23:20:28 <derek> ok. But if I leave this job, that account will be terminated. Then what should I do?
23:20:46 <dbr> presumably they won't confiscate your balance
23:20:47 <derek> oh ok, I can transfer the funds... er, sorry, silly question
23:20:51 <warlord> derek: The txn is from INcome -> Asset
23:21:29 <derek> warlord, so I first add funds to the Income account and then transfer it to the assets?
23:21:47 <warlord> No......
23:21:55 <warlord> It's a transfer FROM income TO assets.
23:22:07 <warlord> Income (and Expense) are "magic")
23:22:09 <derek> I'm not getting :S
23:22:11 <warlord> see the gocs
23:22:13 <warlord> er docs
23:22:20 <warlord> Have you read the docs, yet?
23:22:25 <derek> reading
23:22:36 <derek> http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/basics-accounting1.html#basics-accounting52
23:24:36 <derek> Suppose I have entered a wrong opening balance while creating an account. How can I edit it? If I try to delete the account, the amount goes to Imbalance acc.
23:26:07 <warlord> just edit the opening balance transaction
23:28:07 <derek> I right-click the account and select "Edit Account" . There I don't find an option to edit the 'opening balance'. How is it done?
23:29:55 <jsled> Just edit the opening balance transaction.
23:30:10 <dbr> double click the account to open the account register, then edit the transaction
23:31:11 <hampton> Yes, warlord, all your fault. :-) Not that that's a bad thing. You just made the change to QofInstance that opened a door that I couldn't resist.
23:31:29 <dbr> remember, the opening balance is just a transaction from equity to whatever account
23:32:45 <warlord> derek: what they all said. edit the txn
23:32:52 <warlord> hampton: hahahah
23:41:05 <derek> k
23:54:26 <warlord> hampton: i'm sorry you feel so obligated. but I felt like I needed to prove that the minimal could be done
23:54:39 <warlord> I was hoping esodan would continue
23:54:48 <hampton> and I'm proving that it can be done in small steps.
23:57:18 <warlord> But still... esodan needs to learn that so /HE/ can continue..