2007-04-12 GnuCash IRC logs
00:17:51 <jsled> hampton: yes and no. I'm frustrated that he believe that we don't know what a "proper" gobject definition is.
00:18:14 <jsled> (with Properties and disposition/finalization and whatnot)
00:18:42 <warlord> Or that he thinks that all my objects dont know how to call up the dispose/finalize tree.
00:18:57 <jsled> even though we've made it pretty clear that we know exactly what that entails, but specifically don't care.
00:20:02 <jsled> but, no, it doesn't really.
00:22:19 <warlord> Well, not sure what to do about it.
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01:25:19 <atongen> Hello?
01:25:52 <atongen> I'm a bit new to Gnucash and irc, sorry.
01:27:26 <atongen> I am trying to export both the account structure AND transactions to XML, but far can only export the account structure.
01:28:37 <atongen> I'm using GnuCash 2.0.1, the one that ships with Ubuntu Edgy.
01:28:37 <atongen> File -> Export has one option: Export Accounts
01:28:37 <atongen> This doesn't seem to include transaction data.
01:28:52 <atongen> Is there another way to do this, or have I missed the point completely?
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01:33:30 <atongen> It would also be cool to do this export from the command line, but I couldn't find anything about this in the man file.
01:34:36 <warlord> atongen: Um, the datafile already IS XML.. If you want your accounts AND transactions, well, you already have them
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05:13:14 <steve-e> Is there a way to backport the changes in trunc to make gnucash 2.05 compile with current libgtkhtml?
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05:21:04 <ahmedSayed> Hi all
05:21:52 <ahmedSayed> i think it was a busy night for yesterday because of gSOC
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05:27:03 <ahmedSayed> Thank you guys for accepting my proposal :), and i requested to join the dev mailing list
05:27:40 <ahmedSayed> and i didn't recieve confirmation yet, please accept me
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08:24:39 <warlord> steve-e: not really, no. what version of gtkhtml are you using? Note that you should be able to have -3.8 and -3.14 simultaneously.
08:25:42 <steve-e> warlord: I'm using 3.14.1
08:26:01 <warlord> What Distro?
08:26:31 <steve-e> sourcemage and it doesn't offer 3.8
08:26:49 <steve-e> but as you suppose it to work i will create a package on my own
08:27:17 <warlord> Use gtkhtml-3.13.<low>
08:28:14 <steve-e> lower than 3.13 or what do you mean?
08:29:05 <warlord> I mean a low number, as opposed to 3.13.92
08:29:12 <warlord> (92 is NOT "low")
08:32:20 <steve-e> thx, on my way compiling an older version
08:32:31 <warlord> ok.
08:32:41 <warlord> chris: there's another reason for 2.2: Support for newer gtkhtml.
08:38:40 <jsled> steve-e: encourage sourcemage to offer gtkhtml-3.8 ... it should be co-installable with 3.14 ... it's not a straight upgrade like most other packages.
08:39:29 <steve-e> jsled: ok, will do
08:39:49 <jsled> Well, it can be a straight upgrade for a subset of packges. But it does have API/ABI changes.
08:40:50 <steve-e> currently compiling a version of 3.13
08:40:59 <warlord> which vresion?
08:41:08 <steve-e> *.6
08:41:13 <warlord> ok
08:41:18 <warlord> that shoudl work.
08:41:52 <jsled> I'm not sure how the packaging works on sourcemage (all I know is that it's source-based), but you might be able to use or start with the last 3.8 package.
08:42:07 <jsled> The 3.13.x's *are* development releases, not stable.
08:43:05 <steve-e> what is "slib"?
08:43:25 <warlord> A Scheme Library.
08:43:44 <warlord> See? S LIB?
08:43:56 <warlord> jsled: true, but 3.13.6 should be okay.
08:44:02 <warlord> or 3.12.<last>
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08:50:35 <steve-e> sorry guys, have to finish that later
08:50:45 <steve-e> will come back if it does not work
09:06:02 <warlord> Okay. Good Luck.
09:10:38 <atongen> warlord-afk: I've looked at the file and I know that is XML, but it definitely does not contain any transaction data.
09:11:13 <jsled> atongen: not the export file. your actual data file.
09:11:33 <warlord> atongen: yes, your actual DATA file..
09:11:35 <jsled> The one you File > Open / is at the top of the Recent menu.
09:12:08 <atongen> Ahh, could it be compressed, or something?
09:12:19 <jsled> yes; run `file $file`
09:13:01 <atongen> Thank you.
09:13:15 <jsled> It's just gzip'ed, so you can $(gzip -cd < $file > uncompressed-$file) or rename it an `gunzip` it or change the "compression" preference.
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09:25:57 <warlord> okay, I just responded to Daniel.
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09:35:47 <warlord> hiya hampton
09:36:16 <hampton> hiya warlord
09:41:32 <warlord> so.. i replied to Daniel
09:45:46 <hampton> I saw. :-) Thought it was well worded.
09:50:15 <warlord> Thanks.
09:50:23 <warlord> Sleeping on those things always seems to help for me.
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09:56:00 <hampton> aye-yup. Or writing a response that you don't send, sitting on it for 24 hours, and then writing a response that you do send.
09:56:48 <warlord> LOL Yeah, there's that, too.
10:00:41 <warlord> Hmm, looks like my GSoC student is from Egypt.
10:07:28 <warlord> @tell ahmedSayed Hi. It was 5am US/EDT when you came in. Missed me by a few hours (I got online around 8:30). The subscription message should be automated; it doesn't require any manual intervention to subscribe to -devel.
10:07:28 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
10:13:08 <chris> warlord, nice job on the response.
10:13:25 <warlord> chris: thanks.
10:16:46 <jsled> warlord: uh, if you're referring to ahmed, he's "mine".
10:17:41 <warlord> Oh, Sorry.. thought he was the QIF guy.
10:18:20 <jsled> No, he's Dogtail ... though as he's dogtail, I imagine we'll both work with him a fair amount.
10:19:37 <warlord> * nods *
10:19:51 <warlord> As the project manager I suspect i'll be working with everyone at least a little bit.
10:32:32 <jsled> gzip/forking issue with 2.0.2? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428950#c2
10:33:07 <jsled> or, maybe with ubuntu 6.10... or this guy's system...
10:34:54 <warlord> Oh, with 2.0.2. -- yes. This was fixed before 2.0.5
10:35:05 <jsled> ah.
10:36:45 <warlord> jsled: bug #353450
10:38:23 <jsled> warlord: awesome; thanks!
10:38:31 <jsled> I should have tried the dup finder.
10:38:35 <warlord> Heh
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11:34:21 <warlord> jsled: I'm wondering if we want to put the IRC logs into subdirs to make it easier to find them, versus having them all in a single directory.
11:34:53 <jsled> warlord: yes, we do.
11:35:25 <warlord> Is there an easy way to automate that with the current logging script
11:35:26 <warlord> ?
11:35:39 <jsled> It could be done externally. smop, otherwise.
11:35:53 <jsled> pretty trivial, at that.
11:38:17 <jsled> Though when we re-home the existing file, I s'pose it'd be nice to set up some redirections for the existing files ... but it also doesn't seem like GOOG is aggressively indexing them, yet. <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alists.gnucash.org%20inurl%3Alogs&btnG=Google+Search>
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11:40:13 <warlord> I'm not that worried about it, yet.
11:40:27 <warlord> I dont think we need redirs.
11:42:48 <warlord> It would also be nice to have a nicer HTML index, but ....
11:44:54 <warlord> right now I'm trying to figure out what has going on between 3-7am that my upstream network was peged.
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13:14:51 <nomeata> Hello
13:15:01 <nomeata> I just registered as a Gewerbe in Germany
13:15:26 <nomeata> That means that I will have to distinguish between private transactions and the buisness’ transactions
13:15:56 <nomeata> But it only applies to payments (one way or the others), there is no sparate store of assets
13:16:35 <nomeata> Should I create additional top level accounts "Income - Buissness" and "Expenses - Buissness", or what is most appropriate?
13:17:14 <nomeata> Also, I do this German VAT thing. So, for everything I buy, the state gives me back the VAT, and everything I sell I have to pay VAT
13:17:40 <nomeata> So I have an account that is sometimes Activa and sometimes Passiva (not sure what’s the English term)
13:17:44 <nomeata> What’s most appropriate here?
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13:29:43 <warlord> Yeah, you probably want seperate Income and Expense trees.
13:35:45 <warlord> nomeata: that was to you.
13:43:44 <nomeata> Thanks. I also figured out how to do VAT automatically
13:44:12 <nomeata> Although it’s a bit more hassle to create invoices for everything first
13:46:06 <warlord> True.
13:46:16 <warlord> HOPEFULLY in a future version we can make it a LITTLE easier.
13:54:04 <nomeata> thx. Gnucash is great anyways :-)
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14:09:14 <warlord> :)
14:09:15 <warlord> Thanks
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15:33:39 <warlord> Ahh, another response from Daniel.
15:36:23 <hampton> And from me. :-)
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15:46:43 <andi5> FYI: gtkhtml 3.13.6 is bad, really bad.... please always recommend <= 3.13.5
15:50:41 <warlord> andi5: okay
15:54:39 <andi5> for the unbelieving ones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkhtml3.8/+bug/92477/comments/14 .... ubuntu has gtkhtml3.8 (1:3.13.5-0ubuntu1) now
16:01:43 <warlord> andi5: Oh, I believe you.
16:01:54 <andi5> i know :)
16:02:14 <warlord> hampton: interesting response..
16:05:57 <hampton> well.....
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16:13:06 <warlord> I think I'll wait until tomorrow until I respond...
16:16:07 <hampton> :-)
16:16:32 <hampton> clearly I timed out and didn't follow my own advice...
16:18:13 <warlord> heh
16:53:46 <warlord> think he'll EVER get it?
16:53:55 <chris> hampton wrote exactly what I was thinking.
16:54:45 <warlord> Heh
16:55:03 <warlord> I suppose I'm still deluding myself that we might be able to get some useful work out of him.
16:57:57 <hampton> who knows.
16:58:00 <hampton> bbiab
17:00:39 <warlord> clearly none of us do.
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18:18:58 <jsled> warlord: you planning on sending a mass welcome email to the SoC students/devel?
18:22:03 <warlord> Um... I suppose I could send something out.
18:22:10 <warlord> Have all four of them joined -devel?
18:23:10 <jsled> I don't know. I guess I could see.
18:23:26 <warlord> I could just CC their google accounts..
18:27:00 <warlord> thanks
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18:36:05 <warlord> Friends coming over.. I'll be out for a while. Later.
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21:26:14 <permafrost91> hello
21:26:40 <permafrost91> i have a question regarding reverse balance accounts
21:26:52 <permafrost91> anyone wish to help me out here?
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