2007-04-04 GnuCash IRC logs
00:07:19 <dbr> gnucash still needs a libgtkhtml, but r15771 reverted to an earlier version from 3.14. I think andi5 will have to figure this one out. It's just about sunrise where he is.
00:13:40 <nbinon1> ahh...I was looking at the repository and missed the version change. Ok, I'll let him take a look (kind of late where I am)
00:13:42 <nbinon1> ty
00:14:09 <dbr> yw
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00:38:32 <hampton> chris and warlord-afk: Should #342153 be kept open?
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00:42:28 <warlord> Hmm... Good qustion
00:48:59 <chris> hampton: no, I think the original bug there was resolved by the patch you applied. the other failures would be another bug.
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00:49:43 <chris> but, I'm out of brain-cells for the day, so I'm off to bed.
00:49:51 * chris waves goodnight.
00:50:02 <warlord> good night chris
00:50:03 <hampton> night
00:50:17 <warlord> ( brain cells? what are those? I think I killed those off a few hours ago )
00:50:41 <hampton> ok. closing the bug.
00:52:19 <warlord> ok.
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00:56:04 <warlord> hey dbr
00:56:09 <dbr> hi
00:56:27 <dbr> @tell andi5 does http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007-04-03.html#T23:59:04 make sense to you?
00:56:27 <gncbot> dbr: The operation succeeded.
00:56:46 <warlord> hampton: so how hard do you think it would be to get esodan to understand the changes I've made in the gobject-engine-dev-warlord branch?
00:57:38 * hampton needs to look at them before he can say, and he doesn't have many brain cells left tonight.
00:57:50 <hampton> man its weird talking about yourself in third person
00:58:59 <dbr> I guess /me wasn't envisioned for such cases.
00:59:29 <warlord> heh
01:05:59 <warlord> Oh -- I'm trying really hard to get myelf a MacIntel so I can use it to test.. But i dont know if it'll happen.
01:06:16 <dbr> go, go, go...
01:07:20 <warlord> :)
01:08:46 <dbr> goodnight
01:08:59 <hampton> night
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01:09:19 <warlord> good night dbr...
01:25:00 <warlord> good night ll
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01:30:34 <hampton> good night for me too.
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05:49:40 <emanuele> ciao a tutti, qualcuno di voi parla italiano?
05:49:58 <emanuele> do you speak italian?
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08:49:11 <baua> any germans here ... or is there a german version of gnucash available
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08:52:59 <chris> baua: gnucash is localized, and the german translation is complete.
08:53:04 <warlord> no, and yes. Gnucash is localized. If your system is german gnucash will display in german
08:53:19 <chris> there is also a gnucash-de mailing list
08:54:39 <baua> my system is english but i need gnucash in german .. so is there way to change it in preferences?
08:55:06 <jsled> `LANG=de_DE gnucash`
08:55:28 <jsled> It's not a gnucash-specific preference, so much as the system's mechanism for changing the locale of software, generally.
08:55:33 <warlord> baua: not in preferences.. you need to set the locale..
08:55:48 <jsled> If you're starting gnucash from an icon in your Desktop Env. or WM, then you might want to change the icon properties.
08:56:32 <Emanuele74x1> hello
08:56:38 <Emanuele74x1> qualcuno parla italiano?
08:57:44 <jsled> Sorry, Emanuele74x1, but the channel is english. I don't believe we have any IT regulars, though I've seen a bunch of .it domains over the last few weeks.
08:58:14 <Emanuele74x1> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=74745.0
08:58:18 <Emanuele74x1> problem
08:58:24 <baua> ok thanks guys ... very helpful
08:58:34 <Emanuele74x1> with gnucash 2.05
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09:06:41 <jsled> Emanuele74x1: what version of ubuntu?
09:07:07 <Emanuele74x1> 6.1 edgy
09:07:19 <Emanuele74x1> 32bit
09:07:29 <jsled> There is a 2.0.1 package...
09:07:45 <jsled> There is a trick to installing software with gconf schemas.
09:09:21 <jsled> Emanuele74x1: Is there supposed to be an image there?
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09:12:16 <Emanuele74x1> yes
09:17:07 <jsled> how do I get it?
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10:14:36 <warlord> * sighs *
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11:16:05 <jsled> Good info re: .la files in debian. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354674
11:18:18 <jsled> Though I guess it's a year old at this point.
11:22:00 <warlord> Yeah, and we kinda knew about it at some level..
11:22:09 <warlord> we really should make sure gnucash can work without the .la files.
11:22:53 <andi5> which .la files?
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11:23:56 <warlord> ALL .la files.
11:24:23 <andi5> not on windows at least :)
11:24:47 <warlord> Gnucash wont work without .la files on windows?
11:25:26 <warlord> Ooh, looks like it might work.. let me test.
11:26:18 <warlord> OOOH! Looks ike it works!
11:26:20 <warlord> Sweet!
11:26:21 <andi5> i think so, look http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/packaging/win32/dist.sh#L184 .... i am sure i added that line on purpose
11:27:09 <warlord> Huh...
11:28:05 <warlord> Well, I just removed all the .la files from my trunk installation (on linux) and gnucash works.
11:28:19 <andi5> i renamed inst\lib\libgnc-core-utils.la to something else and gnucash will not start -> ERROR: file: "libgnc-core-utils", message: "can't open the module"
11:28:31 <andi5> yes, linux
11:29:02 <warlord> but windows needs the .la files? That's too bad.
11:29:03 <andi5> i expected it to work there :)
11:29:52 <andi5> guile cannot load them as extension otherwise.... (i think that was the issue)
11:30:24 <warlord> HUH.
11:30:53 <warlord> Well, good to know either way.
11:31:30 <andi5> but it needs at most 6 .la files... i think that is pretty good :)
11:33:36 <warlord> Which 6?
11:34:01 <andi5> i am planning to add libqof/qof/gnc-date-p.h -> http://pastebin.ca/raw/424060 .... is that fine or should they be public?
11:34:33 <andi5> warlord: those in inst\lib (not \bin, \lib\gnucash or \lib\bin (is not used anymore))
11:35:08 <andi5> b*s*... i mean the dll's in \bin, ... .la files lie in \lib then
11:36:10 <warlord> Either way is fine.
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12:27:21 <andi5> warlord: FYI, rebuilding gnucash really takes 45 minutes here :-)
12:28:03 <warlord> Sure. But that's much better than 3 hours. ;)
12:30:59 <andi5> ahh, nice to see it still crashing :)
12:31:08 <warlord> "nice"?
12:31:52 <andi5> well, it seems to be really important to check %s parameters in every (new, at least) debug message
12:32:14 <warlord> Yep.
12:32:44 <warlord> Or maybe provide our own macros?
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13:40:08 <andi5> anyone willing to do a tiny test for me (on trunk)?
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17:19:08 <andi5> Q: warlord and cstim suggested to remove the forking part in io-gncxml-v2 for gzip and (at least i think that) to error out if there is no glib thread implementation available (we have been testing for some gthread support, namely gthread-2.0.pc, since quite some time now) ... i think this would boil down to http://pastebin.ca/raw/424549 ..... are there operating systems out there that would cease to support gnucash?
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17:30:46 <warlord> andi5: looks okay to me
17:49:07 <andi5> ok... done
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18:00:39 <andi5> @tell nbinon1 nothing should depend on libgtkhtml-3.14-19.dll anymore ... you could try to open c:\Program Files\gnucash\bin\gnucash-bin.exe in depends.exe and look which dll claims to still need it ... rebuild or delete that one :)
18:00:39 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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18:26:33 <andi5> jsled: is it right that i do not see warnings about unused variables if i build with -O0? ... hm, i certainly do not want to go back to -O2, at least not on windows :)
18:27:51 <warlord> andi5: I think I still see "unused variable" warnings with -O0
18:28:38 <jsled> andi5: I think more important is to change configure.in like so...
18:28:55 <jsled> http://pastebin.ca/424622
18:30:24 <andi5> ok, so i need to explicitly add that flag? no problem, on linux it is "-g -std=gnu89 -O0 -Wno-unsed" then :-)
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18:32:36 <jsled> Well, that and `./configure [...] --enable-compile-warnings`
18:33:29 <warlord> Oh, there IS that..
18:33:47 <warlord> Um, did swig finally release with a version that doesn't generate unused vars?
18:34:29 <jsled> Yeah ... IIRC swig-1.3.31.
18:35:05 <jsled> (1.3.30 might have too, but AIUI 1.3.29 prompted that -Wno-unused in the first place)
18:36:55 <warlord> yeah..
18:37:11 <warlord> I think we depend on 1.3.31, right? Then we can fix that.
18:37:18 <andi5> i see http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/configure.in#L1054 and http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/configure.in#L1302 ..... do they do what i think?
18:39:35 <jsled> Yeah, I guess --enable-compiler-warnings is on by default.
18:39:44 <jsled> Maybe. I don't know.
18:40:11 <jsled> But -Wno-unused will prevent seeing the warnings, so it has to be removed.
18:40:25 <warlord> Yeah, should definitely remove it.
18:40:40 <andi5> ah... now i understand :)
18:44:01 <jsled> Oh, should probably check in on those SoC applicants.
18:51:19 <warlord> jsled: do you ever g_free the SchedXactions object on SX-book?
18:51:58 <jsled> warlord: I'm not sure what the code does off hand.
18:52:09 <jsled> I don't do anything. :)
18:52:39 <warlord> Looks like it's never freed..
18:52:41 <warlord> memory leak.
18:53:43 <jsled> probably.
18:54:00 <warlord> Well, I'm not going to worry about it now..
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18:58:01 <jsled> On the SoC-announce, they're in a "holding pattern" re: announcing the "student allocations".
18:59:07 <warlord> I think they still have another ... week?
18:59:44 <jsled> For the final mappings, yeah. AIUI, this is the allocation of how many students we can possibly mentor.
19:02:32 <jsled> [[[
19:02:33 <jsled> While we will make every effort to announce the number of allocated student slots for each organization sooner rather than later, we cannot promise we will announce the allocation results prior to 5 PM Pacific on Wednesday, April 4, 2007 (12:00 AM UTC on Thursday, April 5, 2007).
19:02:44 <jsled> ]]] - http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators
19:18:20 <galens> Hi. Any idea what might cause gnucash(2.0.4) to issue the error "gnc_hbci_getbalance: No HBCI account found." when doing "Get Transactions..."? This was working yesterday, and when the error occurred, I had not touched my online banking configuration.
19:18:58 <andi5> galens: did you chose or open your checking account?
19:19:08 <andi5> +o
19:21:37 <galens> Thank you! I wasn't even thinking about that possibility.
19:21:52 <andi5> np :)
19:25:42 <galens> So if I need to have the appropriate account open, what is the purpose of "Match HBCI accounts with GnuCash accounts" in HBCI Setup?
19:27:49 <andi5> galens: there are aqbanking accounts you have to match to gnucash accounts.... if you click "get transactions" in one of those gnucash accounts, gnucash will know what aqbanking account to use..... but if you are in the account overview, it may not know what gnucash account to update
19:31:54 <galens> Okay, I was just looking at this from the wrong point of view. The currently open account indicates which HBCI account should be used, by way of the match table. Correct?
19:33:53 <andi5> you ---select---> gnucash account ----mapsto---> aqbanking (hbci) account .
19:37:27 <galens> I think I've got it now. Thanks for your help.
19:38:16 <andi5> bye :)
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20:02:03 <warlord> Hmmm... there's already a gnc_price_get_type() defined.. Hmm...
20:13:00 <warlord> Eh, I can just rename it.
20:16:20 <warlord> w00t. src/engine builds now with GObject initialization.
20:16:32 <jsled> nice.
20:16:51 <warlord> yeah. still need to get src/business... and I dont know what else.
20:16:55 <jsled> BTW, if you're wondering how gtk understands if a locale's weeks start on sun vs. mon...
20:17:25 <jsled> ... it relies on a specially-translated string to be exactly of the form "calendar:week_start:" followed by either "0" or "1".
20:17:50 <warlord> Um... ok...
20:17:54 <jsled> Then, does private_data->week_start = *(week_start + 20) - '0';
20:18:00 <jsled> (with some basic error checking).
20:18:11 <warlord> Wow.
20:18:35 <warlord> Wow, the build made it all the way to src/business before failing again.
20:23:05 <warlord> Okay, let me push all these changes back to my branch. (I've been committing each object individually)
20:35:54 <jsled> Gah. Gtk doesn't expose the "week starts on monday" value anywhere. :/
20:43:50 <warlord> :(
20:44:01 <warlord> Well, can you figure out what the magic string is?
20:45:24 <jsled> yeah. I guess it is in the same translation domain./
20:49:37 <jsled> (or, is it?)
20:50:03 <warlord> I dont know.
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21:01:23 <jsled> Hmm. I guess it's not. I can't seem to get at the "calendar:week_start:0" string in gtk's gettext domain.
21:06:43 <warlord> that's too bad!
21:07:22 <jsled> indeed. :/
21:18:13 <warlord> well, I suppose we could make our own equvalent..
21:18:16 <warlord> Or.. a preference.
21:18:43 <jsled> Ah, turns out dgettext("gtk20", "...") does the right thing.
21:18:56 <jsled> It's better when you use "gtk20", and not some other string that you guess at. :)
21:31:24 <warlord> Um, okay.
21:31:32 <warlord> There's no gtk #define for that?
21:31:43 <jsled> no, it's an implementation detail. :(
21:31:50 <warlord> * sigh *
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22:19:24 <warlord> ahh, right ... dispose() vs. finalize().
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22:28:06 <dbr> how does one specify a file in a --logto switch when starting gnucash? I've used --logto stderr successfully, but I want to try to track something when doing a mac-ish thing that has caused some people trouble
22:28:22 <jsled> --logto /path/to/file
22:28:28 <dbr> thanks
22:28:31 <jsled> though I admit I didn't try it much.
22:28:42 <dbr> well, I'll test it then...
22:28:46 <jsled> :)
22:38:19 <dbr> that worked pretty well for trunk. Was there a logging function accessible in 2.0.x?
22:41:13 <warlord> Sweet! "make check" works with my gobjectified branch!
22:42:10 <hampton3> ship it!
22:42:58 <dbr> hmm. I've been trying to follow these goings on. What will we pedestrians notice after gobjectification?
22:43:24 <warlord> hampton3: Haha..
22:43:38 <warlord> I want to do a little more work before I decide to merge into trunk..
22:43:48 <warlord> dbr: hopefully nothing.
22:45:03 <warlord> okay, a bunch more changesets pushed back..
22:47:27 <jsled> dbr: not in the same way; I just added that logging stuff in ... what, Jan?
22:47:46 <warlord> jsled: was it that long ago?
22:47:57 <dbr> I sorta remembered that after I got my first error message
22:48:18 <jsled> warlord: I was thinking "that recently", but... :)
22:48:21 <hampton3> ok. once you do, I'll probably make a cleanup pass through the code making the existing engine objects conform better to GObject. I.E. move properties from the public definition to the private definition to enforce APIs, making sure that g_object_get/set can be used for all properties, etc.
22:48:31 <warlord> Oh, so Phil Longstaff locked himself out of the server again. I fixed it for him. He appologized for dropping out for a couple months but promised me he'd have more time now.
22:48:36 <dbr> what's 'worse' is trunk didn't fail the way the mac folk were complaining.
22:49:18 <warlord> hampton: well, right now ALL I'm doing is g_object_new() and g_object_unref(). I haven't changed anything else. I have no private data structures..
22:49:30 <hampton3> I know.
22:49:36 <warlord> okay..
22:49:54 <warlord> the next thing I want to do is go add hooks for calling dispose().
22:50:18 <warlord> (I already have a hook for finalize(), but I think we need dispose(), too)
22:52:27 <dbr> where's failure when you're ready for it? 2.0.5 won't misbehave for me either...
22:52:44 <warlord> dbr: maybe it's a MacIntel failure?
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22:54:17 <dbr> I don't think so, I've heard this one from a long time ago. Apps can be added to the "Applications" menu in Apple's x11.app -- effectively running gnucash without a terminal window. Some people can't successfully retrieve quotes in that config, but I just did.
22:56:39 <jsled> Not even Jan. Feb.
22:58:03 <warlord> dbr: weird.
22:58:21 <warlord> but keep in mind that trunk and 2.0.x are very different at this point. just the swig vs. g-wrap change is a major step forward.
22:58:43 <dbr> aha. I gotta quit x11 and relaunch it to get the "A system error occurred while retrieving the price quotes." dialog
22:59:29 <warlord> Hmm.
23:00:21 <dbr> trunk does it too. Now to check the logfile...
23:01:03 <dbr> rats. no complaint in the log file.
23:02:09 <dbr> is there an overly verbose logging option?
23:02:58 <jsled> sure. how verbose do you want it? :)
23:03:07 <dbr> obscenely
23:04:36 <jsled> --debug
23:04:49 <dbr> simple enough. thanks.
23:04:54 <jsled> Though that isn't obscene, so much as "really detailed".
23:05:21 <dbr> I'll just be a supreme court justice and claim to know obscenity when I see it.
23:05:35 <jsled> If you really want "obscene", {--log qof=debug --log gnc=debug} and accept the performance and formatting hits.
23:05:36 <warlord> heh
23:10:31 <warlord> Look ma! a dispose() hook. :)
23:10:58 <warlord> So, it's taken me MAYBE 6 hours to do this work.. How long was esodan working on this?
23:12:16 <warlord> Anyways, I think the branch is in a state where we could merge and then slowly, object-by-object, move the malloc/free functions to the init/dispose/finalize functions...
23:19:58 <jsled> warlord: that's great. :)
23:20:26 * jsled wonders if every other other week during the 2.1.x series should be a bug day.
23:20:49 <jsled> Or maybe at 2.1.${odd}.
23:21:00 <warlord> maybe..
23:21:13 <jsled> We should probably have at least one.
23:21:40 <jsled> And I like doing it after 2.1.0 so people can get "into the groove" so to speak.
23:22:29 <dbr> except for 20,000 lines like http://www.pastebin.ca/424945 --debug didn't get me what I need. on to the next. Should I be concerned about possibly needing to repair my data file?
23:36:28 <dbr> wow. 800,000 lines of debug output just to launch gnucash, open the data file, open the price editor, and punch 'Get Quotes' -- and that's just --log gnc=debug. I guess jsled knows obscenity...
23:37:57 <jsled> heh.
23:38:14 <jsled> it's pretty awesome, indeed.
23:49:02 <warlord> Heheh
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23:54:18 <nbinont> fyi: I solved the build problem I was having on windows (it was something left over from another build). We should have a new windows dev build on sourceforge soon.
23:54:51 <warlord> nbinont: cool. you do know about reset.sh, right?
23:55:07 <warlord> (although I dont know if it's fully up to date..
23:55:43 <nbinont> um...I knew it was there but that's about it
23:57:22 <nbinont> *looks at it* ok, that could be helpful (but would have taken out more than needed this time around.)
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23:58:24 <warlord> nbinont: yeah, we really need something more like "ports" where, when we update a dependency it knows to only delete that dependency..
23:58:39 <warlord> If you want to work on reset.sh I'll commit patches. :)