2007-03-27 GnuCash IRC logs

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03:55:36 <p0troast> I'm interested in Summer of Code "Dogtail UI Test Harness" project (http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/SoC2007#Dogtail_UI_Test_Harness).
03:56:00 <p0troast> It doesn't look like the project has been claimed by a student.
03:56:30 <p0troast> As I'm not a student, does the Summer of Code get priority dibs on it? Or is it completely up for grabs?
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04:06:11 <p0troast> If the latter is the case, how can I begin work on it?
04:08:38 <aj> no reason you shouldn't work on it if you want to -- same's true for any SoC project anywhere
04:10:30 <aj> download the source, work out what you want to do, talk to warlord, subscribe to gnucash-devel etc would be how i'd suggest starting, if that's any help
04:11:52 <p0troast> I've already started some of that tonight. I guess I'm unsure how to sync up with warlord. Is he usually available via IRC or should I hit him up on gnucash-devel?
04:13:41 <aj> usually around i thought, disconnect about 15h ago it seems
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07:58:34 <warlord> hampton: let me know when you wake up?
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09:16:36 <hampton> warlord: ping
09:16:53 <warlord> Hey..
09:17:40 <hampton> hi. having fun in Europe?
09:17:53 <warlord> I've got a cisco router with two external interfaces. I think I have a problem with ONE of them (but I can't tell which one because of the asymmetric routing). What's the IOS command to turn down an interface (equivalent to ifdown <iface>)?
09:17:56 <warlord> So far, yes.
09:18:49 <hampton> ineterface eth x ; shutdown
09:19:04 <warlord> from config mode?
09:19:06 <hampton> I think. been a long time since I had my hands on a router.
09:19:08 <hampton> yes
09:19:55 <warlord> And how would I bring it back up?
09:20:00 <hampton> no shutdown
09:20:07 <warlord> Oh. Duh.
09:20:12 <hampton> :-)
09:25:21 <warlord> Okay, let me try
09:25:40 <warlord> Assuming I can get through the packet loss enough to control the router.
09:32:38 <warlord> damn, it's my T1 having errors.
09:36:15 <hampton> that sucks
09:36:51 <warlord> Yep. Well I turned down that interface because 20% packet loss is WORSE than just using the backup tunnel across the CableModem. (ahh, the joys of multiple links).
09:42:03 <warlord> * sighs * Now to see if I can get someone to call Vz on my behalf..
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10:55:54 <warlord> Well, at least I think mail should be flowing again.
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11:31:01 <SmokeyD> hey people. How do I import clients into gnucash. I am trying to make a standard empty file with all mycustomers and accounts and stuff which I can reuse every year so I can start with a blank file
11:31:15 <SmokeyD> I don't want to have to enter my customers though all over again each year
11:32:07 <SmokeyD> What I did is export the accounts. I can open that each year and save it as a new file for the new year
11:32:28 <SmokeyD> but exporting the accounts does not export the customers, clients, etc
11:39:11 <warlord> right now there's unfortunately no supported way to do that
11:39:38 <warlord> If you're feeling bold (note, this is NOT supported in ANY way) you can try to hand-edit the XML and copy-and-paste your customer configuration...
11:40:07 <SmokeyD> hmm, That shouldn't be too hard I guess
11:40:41 <SmokeyD> when using a proper editor
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11:49:51 <warlord> Like I said, it's not supported... So if you run into trouble you're on your own. backups are your friend.
11:50:02 <SmokeyD> ok, thanks
11:50:03 <SmokeyD> :)
11:50:11 <SmokeyD> I am not doing this on original files :)
11:50:14 <SmokeyD> just on copies
11:50:15 <SmokeyD> :)
11:54:40 <warlord> * nods * just making sure.
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12:59:33 <warlord> Cool.
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13:01:26 <warlord> WOW!
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13:08:32 <warlord> hampton: want to be a mentor?
13:08:45 <chris> hampton: you know you do. :)
13:09:01 * hampton hides
13:09:19 <hampton> sure, why not. where do I sign up
13:09:34 * hampton has always coveted a gmail address..... ;-)
13:09:37 <jsled> http://code.google.com/soc/
13:09:48 <warlord> FYI, in case you've noticed that SVN updates are a little slower than usual, my T-1 is having some layer-2 issues so I turned that interface off. But being 4000 miles away I can't easily call Vz to get them to look at it, yet. I'm trying to get someone from my Co-op to help me there.
13:10:04 <chris> hampton: you could at least review the applications with out any further obligation. You know, first one's free and all that jazz.
13:10:13 <hampton> Another reason to switch to git?
13:10:27 <chris> haha. :)
13:10:37 <hampton> or svk.
13:11:11 <chris> hampton: turns out you can get a google account without a gmail address.
13:11:12 <andi5> no switch is better than bad switch... :)
13:11:48 <hampton> chris: aww
13:12:45 <warlord> svk or git wouldn't help here -- the master repository is still being a cablemodem and not a T1 at this moment. Which means that commits will be the same speed, but updates will be slower.
13:13:57 <hampton> true, the master repository would be the same speed but I'd have a local repository to play with.
13:14:24 <hampton> speaking of which, I need to restart my repository mirroring
13:15:50 <warlord> hampton: yes, you should.
13:15:52 <warlord> :)
13:29:00 <warlord> Okay, I'm off for the night. Good Night.
13:29:08 <hampton> night
13:32:11 <chris> warlord: g'night
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17:18:45 <pepe> Guten Abend! Meine HBCI-Einrichtung für die HASPA hat gestern abend scheinbar geklappt (Schlüssel-Generierung, Ini-Brief). Als ich heute bei der Bank anrief, sagten die aber, daß auf dem Bankserver von der Kontaktaufnahme zwischen meinem und dem Bankrechner keine Spuren existieren. Deshalb sei es auch zwecklos, ihnene den Ini-Brief zu schicken. Eine Wiederholung der HBCI-Konfiguration scheitert aber: Das Fenster "Server-Schlüssel abrufen"
17:18:45 <pepe> stoppt mit "Schlüssel gespeichert" und läßt sich nicht mehr schließen. Die Keys vom Medium zu löschen, um erneut in den Inibrief-Dialog zu kommen, geht auch nicht.
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17:40:56 <quist> #gnucash
17:41:28 <quist> I've got a question related to printing invoices...
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17:43:39 <quist> how do I change the setup in Options...
17:44:08 <quist> There is the Report Name
17:44:32 <quist> And I make changes to the Display Columns and Display itself...
17:44:34 <quist> Each time...
17:44:59 <quist> How can I save the options I change and have it recalled the next time?
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17:48:20 <shepard> hi, i have a problem with split transactions i can quite figure out
17:48:24 <quist> anybody with any ideas?
17:48:58 <jsled> quist: you either need to save the report, or leave it open.
17:49:07 <shepard> i wanna do the following transaction: a withdrawal, that had an associated tax...
17:49:19 <jsled> pepe: this is an english channel, though there are some de speakers here.
17:49:29 <quist> Ok...
17:49:29 <jsled> shepard: have your read the tutorial and concepts guide?
17:49:33 <jsled> s/your/you/
17:49:42 <quist> And how does one save the report... and recall it again?
17:50:10 <shepard> jsled, yeap, but i was not able to come to terms with all the fields, it keeps giving me imbalance or lost money :S
17:50:44 <shepard> jsled, most probably i have no idea of how split transactions actually work
17:50:59 <jsled> quist: make sure the name is changed and press the Save button ... I think it's a button.
17:51:27 <pepe> jsled: thank you, I was not aware of this, because the german CnuCash's daily advices points to this chat in german.
17:51:50 <jsled> shepard: okay. having done this before, you might want to compose your description in pastebin or a local text buffer, then pastebin it.
17:51:51 <quist> Ok... So I change the Report name from Printable Invoice to -> Whatever...
17:52:04 <quist> And then hit the Apply button...
17:52:04 <jsled> (otherwise we'll talk and break up the lines and it just gets messy)
17:52:16 <jsled> pepe: I see.
17:52:55 <jsled> quist: after Apply+Close or Ok, in the main window displaying the report, you can save it from there.
17:54:03 <quist> Ah ha!!!
17:54:21 <pepe> Furthermore, I don'n know if there is an aqbanking chat around there. Maybe in this room here there's nobody quite familiar with german HBCI
17:54:45 <quist> Do I then need to Add Report? after saving?
17:55:00 <jsled> pepe: most of the channel participants don't use HBCI, true. Your best best is probably the gnucash-de mailing list.
17:55:19 <jsled> pepe: the report -- after restarting -- should show up in the Report menu with the new name.
17:57:30 <quist> drat...
17:57:41 <quist> system crash when Add Report.
17:58:02 <quist> upon restart... it's hanging on loading saved reports...
17:58:33 <jsled> hanging or crashing?
17:58:53 <quist> now it's hanging...
17:59:10 <quist> It crashed when I hit "add report" after a save operation
18:01:02 <jsled> what's the console output at the crash? pastebin...?
18:02:52 <davr> pepe: I've used aqbanking, but not for HBCI, only for OFXDirectConnect
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18:09:26 <pepe> jsled: thank you for listening - for today that's enough brain storming for me. Good night!
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18:18:47 <jsled> shepard: how goes?
18:20:10 <shepard> jsled, i about to give up, the more i do split transactions, the less i understand them
18:20:23 <jsled> oh, don't give up. :)
18:20:28 <jsled> Splits are all about balance.
18:20:36 <jsled> Realize that every transaction is a split transaction.
18:20:59 <jsled> Though in the "basic" register mode, you only see the "far" split --- the one local to the register's account is implied.
18:21:37 <shepard> uhmmm
18:21:38 <shepard> ok
18:21:44 <shepard> let me see if that helps
18:22:06 <jsled> In a basic transaction, there are two splits: a credit and a debit, and they sum to 0.
18:23:04 <jsled> You might want to change the register to "transaction journal", to see the gory details of this.
18:23:21 <jsled> (Though in day-to-day use, I find Auto-Split to be more useful, as it only expands the currently focused transaction.
18:23:22 <jsled> )
18:24:22 <jsled> Maybe you should describe your situation, as you started to.
18:25:33 <shepard> well, i just wanted to put a withdrawal that had tax associated with it (international fees)
18:25:39 <shepard> nothing else
18:25:41 <shepard> how sad =)
18:26:40 <jsled> Okay, so the amount that came out of your account is fixed, right. $100, let's say?
18:26:53 <shepard> yeah, ok.
18:27:24 <jsled> And you want two splits to balance that. One is Expenses:Taxes, let's say $10. So the other split is $90, to whatever account (?) is appropriate.
18:28:11 <shepard> ok, i can live with that
18:28:52 <shepard> uhmmmmm, the transaction journal show all kinds of operations, is this the same as the split view, but with two parts ?
18:29:47 <jsled> All kinds of operations? The transaction journal view only shows the "full" detail of all transactions that contain a split associated with the register's account.
18:31:33 <jsled> But, yes, it's the same. The major difference between that and the basic ledger is that instead of -- when you're viewing the register for Assets:Checking, say -- it doesn't show the Assets:Checking split on every single one, since it's implied.
18:33:01 <shepard> wee
18:33:04 <shepard> i think i got it
18:33:05 <shepard> =)
18:34:33 <shepard> jsled, just another thing, i did a 3 entry (more like 6, since it balances) and the summary view does not show only 1 transaction, it's shows several
18:34:36 <shepard> is this normal
18:34:37 <shepard> ?
18:35:00 <jsled> So, there were 3 splits on one "side", all to the same account?
18:35:36 <jsled> And thus you get 3 seperate "transactions" in the register, all for the same actual transaction?
18:36:00 <shepard> yep
18:36:07 <shepard> i think i nailed that down
18:36:20 <jsled> That's "normal". I'd be better if the register figured it out. But you can easily just combine the 3 splits into one; there's no need to have a 1-1 correspondance or balance between individual splits, just for the transaction as a whole.
18:37:14 <shepard> uhmm, combine them ? manually you mean ?
18:37:44 <jsled> Sure. Note that you can enter simple formula (+-/*()) into the cells, and once you "tab out" it'll evaluate the expression.
18:37:50 <shepard> oh, i see what you mean now
18:38:03 <jsled> Also, if you just remove all the values from a split and "tab off the end", it'll keep track of the unbalanced fraction in the blank split at the end.
18:38:26 <jsled> Which is just a simple way of making it do some of the math while you're deleting the 2 excess splits.
18:38:56 <shepard> Oh goodie, now i get it =)
18:40:26 <shepard> jsled, thanks soooo much =)
18:40:44 <jsled> shepard: :)
18:41:16 <shepard> my problem is that when you start, you put in deposit the cash you want to withdraw in the end...
18:41:35 <shepard> because it's like the journal view... ok
18:42:01 <shepard> ehehe, this can be a little confusing =)
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22:13:37 <imperito> hey, question, repeat sort of, but is there a way to record something like a stock as an income type account?
22:15:49 <imperito> I can record it as a cash income for the value of the stock at the point I received it, but I'm wondering if that accurately models the value of the income if the price changes later...
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