2007-03-22 GnuCash IRC logs
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12:00:33 <warlord> good morning, hampton
12:01:04 <hampton> good afternoon, warlord :-)
12:01:14 <hampton> how's the continent treating you?
12:01:20 <warlord> Not too bad.
12:02:24 <hampton> Its been 5 years since I've been to Europe. Time to go for a visit.
12:03:51 <warlord> * nods *
12:04:00 <warlord> I would recommend NOT going at this time of year.
12:04:25 <hampton> why?
12:04:47 <warlord> It's cold..
12:05:49 <hampton> lol. Its no picnic here, though its getting better.
12:06:14 <kdienes> 78 degrees and sunny!
12:07:10 <hampton> yeah, but I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now.
12:07:50 <warlord> It's 52F in Boston. It's 39F here in Prague.
12:08:21 <kdienes> hampton: you mean, ass-deep in register-rewrite code? you are clearly right =)
12:08:59 <hampton> that too. no I meant sear school, or wherever you're headed in a week or two.
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12:09:17 <hampton> NYC is 49 with a forecast of 67.
12:09:20 <kdienes> SERE, yeah
12:09:35 <kdienes> I'm actually pretty psyched though; from what I hear it's great training
12:09:45 <kdienes> one of those things that's shitty to do but awesome to have done
12:09:52 <kdienes> beats GDB hacking!
12:10:33 <hampton> Yeah, sound like more fun to have ti behind you.
12:11:33 <kdienes> i do fear the register-rewrite stuff is beyond my attention span given the two days I have left, though
12:12:19 <kdienes> it looks awesome, but the mental overhead of the gtk-tree-model stuff is pretty formidable to an outsider
12:13:04 <warlord> kdienes: well, perhaps you could put off the r-r stuff for now? Up to you, of course.
12:13:39 <kdienes> yes, I am going to; i was just hoping to be able to be a better citizen =)
12:15:23 <warlord> And we appreciate it!
12:19:26 <hampton> absolutely
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12:36:32 <kdienes> rofl, you guys are way too nice
12:36:54 <kdienes> i've gotten far too accustomed to dealing with FSF folks with patches =)
12:37:01 <warlord> We're ALWAYS nice to people who send us patches! :)
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13:10:30 <ssickle> hampton: Are you and warlord main developers on gnucash?
13:11:09 <warlord> ssickle: anyone with ops is a main dev (except gncbot)
13:11:11 <warlord> @op benoitg
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13:11:22 <warlord> @op
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13:11:24 <andi5> hey, i like him
13:11:31 <andi5> gncbot: ping
13:11:31 <gncbot> pong
13:11:37 <andi5> we even play together
13:14:44 <ssickle> Cool thanks, I am just a lowly user, but thanks for the great work.
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13:15:04 <ttuttle> Hey.
13:15:47 <warlord> you're welcome ssickle
13:17:31 <ttuttle> Why is every incremental bugfix version of GnuCash introduced with the same long, overdone "press release" format on gnucash.org? It's really irritating, I keep seeing the top and thinking there really was a revolutionary new version when it's really just 2.0.4 -> 2.0.5. (I appreciate bugfix/incremental releases too -- it's just misleading.)
13:18:24 <warlord> ttuttle: because that's what the release engineer puts there?
13:18:37 <ttuttle> warlord: oh. It's annoying.
13:18:43 <andi5> yeah, let us stop with those nasty incremental releases ;-)
13:18:58 <warlord> ttuttle: send him mal
13:19:01 <warlord> er, mail even
13:19:07 <ttuttle> andi5: No, just don't roll out the red carpet and the marching band just for bugfixes ;-)
13:19:41 <jsled> ttuttle: Really? You're annoyed because we use too much text to describe a new release?
13:19:41 <andi5> but they ARE great ;-) ... just look, it has a new version number now... WOW
13:19:47 <warlord> :-D
13:20:01 <ttuttle> andi5: It was a good press release for 2.0. Reusing for 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 and 2.0.5 is confusing, since all of the big changes it discusses applied to the version before.
13:20:12 <andi5> ttuttle: full ack
13:20:37 <ttuttle> jsled: Yeah. It reads like a press release for 1.8 -> 2.0, not a change log for 2.0.4 -> 2.0.5.
13:21:27 <andi5> ttuttle: that is our way to promote 2.0.4-2.0.5..... guess what we will do once 3.0 will be released *g*
13:22:15 <ttuttle> andi5: You'll rent a cruise ship and take every user on a cruise?
13:22:32 <andi5> ttuttle: good idea, please add it to the wiki ;-)
13:22:48 <ttuttle> andi5: Or launch a rocket to the moon so the moon has a GnuCash logo on it?
13:23:08 <andi5> warlord: did you plant yours the last time you visited the moon?
13:23:10 <ttuttle> andi5: Okay, I'll tell them you offered ;-)
13:23:45 <warlord> Damn, forgot that leave that.
13:23:54 <warlord> Oops.
13:24:15 <andi5> do not worry, i will fix that next week
13:25:40 <warlord> Ok
13:33:34 <chris> LOL. We have 400 some open bugs, and ttuttle complains about the release notes! *grin*
13:33:51 <andi5> chris: you do not take that issue series, man
13:33:57 <andi5> serious
13:38:06 <ttuttle> It's not a big deal. I just figured dashing off a quick changelog would be quicker, and easier to read.
13:38:28 <ttuttle> Did you fix the bug where it keeps leaving empty "ghost" transactions?
13:38:33 <warlord> ttuttle: as I said, send mail to him.
13:38:45 <ttuttle> warlord: ok
13:38:59 <warlord> ttuttle: bug#?
13:39:15 <ttuttle> warlord: Lemme check.
13:39:46 <andi5> if there is a bug fixed but not marked as such, then that is a bug... please file it ;-)
13:40:10 <ttuttle> andi5: I might not be running the latest, if it's not stable on amd64 in Portage yet.
13:40:37 <warlord> 2.0.5 is current.
13:40:53 <ttuttle> warlord: hmm
13:41:04 <ttuttle> warlord: Eww, I only have 2.0.1. Just a sec.
13:41:29 <warlord> Well, lots of bugs fixed since then
13:41:35 <ttuttle> warlord: Yeah, it's probably fixed.
13:41:56 <chris> ttuttle: check the release notes
13:42:04 <jsled> fwiw, it seems most of the stability/dependency issues between 2.0.1 and 2.0.5 have been ironed out w.r.t. gentoo, though I don't know about amd64.
13:42:18 <warlord> Check http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/branches/2.0/ChangeLog
13:42:30 <jsled> by that I mean unmasking =gnucash-2.0.5* and deps is probably pretty safe, at this point.
13:42:36 <ttuttle> jsled: /me is doing that.
13:42:49 <jsled> quickpkg is your friend if you need to drop back quickly, of course.
13:43:11 <ttuttle> jsled: /me has a 2.00 GHz Core 2 Duo with 2 GB RAM. I don't need quickpkg ;-)
13:43:22 <ttuttle> jsled: (It's very nice =D)
13:44:09 <jsled> How does that relate to amd64?
13:44:27 <ttuttle> jsled: It is amd64. And it's fast.
13:44:38 <ttuttle> jsled: It just built g-wrap in 1 minute, 31 seconds.
13:44:51 <jsled> The Intel Core 2 Duo is considered amd64?
13:44:57 <ttuttle> jsled: Some are.
13:45:03 <jsled> Huh. Interesting.
13:45:07 <ttuttle> jsled: Some run 64-bit code.
13:45:16 <jsled> I have a Athlon 64 X2, but I'm still in x86-land.
13:45:36 <jsled> It's fast as well; compiling gnucash still takes forever, though. :(
13:45:38 <ttuttle> jsled: Yeah. It's hit-or-miss speedwise; some stuff runs faster in 32-bit mode. But I can't resist the temptation of 8 extra registers.
13:45:48 <ttuttle> jsled: /me can do it in 21:42.
13:46:32 <ttuttle> jsled: Let's see how long guile takes...
13:46:50 <jsled> Oh, for guile, make sure you USE=-threads
13:47:33 <ttuttle> jsled: Why?
13:47:45 <ttuttle> jsled: (They're disabled.)
13:47:57 <jsled> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169301
13:48:03 <ttuttle> jsled: guile-1.8.1-r3: merge time: 2 minutes and 56 seconds.
13:48:35 <ttuttle> jsled: Hmm. That bug sucks.
13:53:09 <jsled> how's that?
13:56:45 <ttuttle> jsled: it's just frustrating. /me likes threads.
14:03:35 <ttuttle> lol
14:03:49 <ttuttle> warlord: /me has actually thought about making a fancy web 2.0 accounting system with tags 'n' stuff.
14:07:41 <jsled> That reminds me, who all do we have signed up as Mentors?
14:08:05 <warlord> Right now, you, me, and chris.
14:08:13 <jsled> No hampton?
14:08:20 <warlord> nope, he's not signed up.
14:08:29 * hampton sneaks away
14:09:09 <hampton> I wasn't sure I'd have time to devote to it.
14:09:51 <warlord> Okay, I need to pack up. dinnertime.
14:09:58 <chris> I've read all the applications, but figured I'd wait to comment.
14:10:12 <warlord> I was going to wait to comment until the cutoff.
14:10:23 <warlord> BBL
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14:10:32 <jsled> I think on some of them we can clearly respond.
14:10:34 <jsled> The ...
14:10:48 <jsled> ... one for isntance. dude. wtf?
14:12:10 <chris> I suspect some applicants just checked all the boxes.
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14:21:09 <ttuttle> Oh, /me thinks you're reviewing SoC applications.
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14:32:54 <ttuttle> I'm trying to build gnucash-2.0.5 on Gentoo, and getting an error (3 lines, I'll paste here):
14:32:57 <ttuttle> grep: /usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la: No such file or directory
14:32:57 <ttuttle> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la: No such file or directory
14:32:58 <ttuttle> libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libguile-ltdl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
14:34:32 <jsled> Hmm. What version of g-wrap?
14:35:49 <hampton> mumble, mumble, broken fink mumble
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14:47:04 <ttuttle> jsled: Um, 1.9.6-r3.
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14:51:18 <jsled> ttuttle: where is that coming from? From the gnucash build? During ./configure?
14:53:31 <ttuttle> jsled: The build.
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14:53:58 <Nebukadneza> hi
14:54:05 <Nebukadneza> i got some problems with gnucash on debian (etch)
14:54:14 <Nebukadneza> i installed gnucash and gnucash_hbci from http://aqbanking.alioth.debian.org/debian/unstable/
14:54:28 <Nebukadneza> worked so far, recieving transactions also works
14:54:30 <jsled> ttuttle: could you pastebin a bit more context, perhaps?
14:54:53 <ttuttle> jsled: Sure.
14:54:56 <Nebukadneza> only getting balance wont work: http://rafb.net/p/teek3E22.html
14:57:42 <ttuttle> jsled: http://pastebin.ca/406843
15:01:40 <Nebukadneza> ah, already solved it
15:04:29 <jsled> ttuttle: Hmm. I'm not sure I know how to resolve that. You might try checking the gnucash-devel mailing list archives, and if you don't see a resolution there, posting yourself to solicit broader help.
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15:24:26 <dbr> hampton: if you're only mumbling about fink, you must not have run into the real problems yet
15:25:24 <hampton> I'm only mumbling about fink so far.
15:26:05 <dbr> that's pretty good for a new install
15:26:33 <hampton> I can't find gkhtml3 at all. I also tried seeing how far I could get with configure and it can't find the symbol _ngettext
15:26:58 <hampton> I did an install about a year ago on PPC. Blew it away and restarted today. On my second attempt now.
15:27:29 <hampton> On the first attempt I did a "Binary Dist-Upgrade" which removed gettext entirely.
15:28:46 <hampton> I also just found the wiki page listing all the magic environment variables that need to be set.
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15:44:36 <hampton> I keep getting "configure: error: libtool configure failed". I'm not sure why its failing though.
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15:52:12 <chalcedony> hi i'm trying to help my husband (who has disabilites) set up gnucash. We downloaded it to his kubuntu box, but the HELP seems empty?
15:52:44 <jsled> chalcedony: there maybe a separate gnucash-docs package.
15:53:19 <chalcedony> "not found, the specified url could not be loaded"
15:53:52 <dbr> hampton: fink only has gtkhtml 3.10.2, but they call it gtkhtml3.8.15-3.10.2
15:54:10 <chalcedony> jsled, where would i look?
15:54:36 <hampton> I only see 1.0.2, 1.1.7, and 2.6.2
15:54:40 <jsled> from the same place you installed the 'gnucash' package. synaptic or adept or apt-get on the command-line.
15:55:09 <chalcedony> jsled we did sudo apt-get .. but what woul it be called?
15:55:17 <jsled> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=gnucash-docs&searchon=names
15:55:25 <jsled> "gnucash-docs"
15:56:09 <dbr> you need to enable the unstable branch
15:56:22 <dbr> they've made that easier, but I don't remember the incantation
15:57:47 <dbr> re libtool, make sure you aren't getting bit by Apple's libtool -- it isn't anything like what you want
15:57:57 <hampton> Huh. Its a preference in FinkCommander.
15:58:18 <dbr> I think the solution to that is to make sure fink's libtool is installed
15:58:48 <hampton> It is, but its 1.3.5 if that matters.
15:59:10 <hampton> The config.log says its looking at /usr/bin/ld which would be Apple's loader.
15:59:19 <chalcedony> jsled, that worked, thank you :)
15:59:46 <dbr> yeah, I think you need libtool14 (version 1.5.something)
16:00:15 <hampton> I see that choice now that I've enabled unstable
16:01:30 <dbr> that /usr/bin/ld is an issue. I think the newer libtool in fink will solve it
16:03:06 <jsled> chalcedony: you're welcome
16:03:49 <hampton> ok, I'm past that problem. Had to rerun autogen.sh after updating libtool
16:05:17 <hampton> looks like I may have to build swig from sources... and I still don't see gtkhtml3 in the FinkCommander window.
16:07:50 <hampton> lol. gtkhtml3 is in the "unstable crypto" repository?
16:08:47 <dbr> run selfupdate. I got gtkhtml extracted from crypto a few weeks ago
16:09:11 <dbr> one of the tests uses libsoap which depends on crypto stuff.
16:09:16 <hampton> source selfupdate?
16:09:19 <jsled> nice.
16:09:26 <dbr> yes
16:09:42 <hampton> I'm trying to do as much as possible with the binary packages
16:10:02 * hampton is trying not to generate too much heat compiling
16:10:29 <dbr> I think there are a dozen packages that are in unstable that are needed, including a modern f-q
16:10:45 <jsled> ah, a global warming argument. I see. :)
16:11:13 <hampton> no, a local warming argument. Its quite warm in my apt
16:11:16 <dbr> I've been trying to get to a point where I can get a binary gnucash available in fink, but it's slow going
16:11:47 <dbr> and the big gnome modernization is coming, which might slow things down further. argh.
16:12:20 <hampton> Thanks for all the work. This is worlds faster than when I tried on my MacPPC last summer
16:12:31 <dbr> And online banking will never be in the binary-avail. version because of crypto stuff
16:13:03 <dbr> I think you mac hardware has more to do with that than I do...
16:13:24 <hampton> I remember compiling most of gnome last time
16:14:46 <dbr> several newer pieces have made it to stable (notable glib and a medieval gtk that still works 2.6.10), but there's still a bunch in unstable
16:15:30 <dbr> er glib2, that is
16:16:37 <dbr> If the move to gnome 2.18 is successful, maybe they'll move more new gnome stuff to stable instead of some o fthe ancient stuff
16:17:31 <hampton> would be nice
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16:19:03 <dbr> I'm expecting to get my hands on gnome 2.18 in about a month.
16:19:23 <hampton> oh, lovely. now it want to recompile 99 packages from source
16:19:33 <hampton> (fink update-all)
16:19:46 <andi5> at least not 100...
16:19:48 * dbr never updates-all
16:20:26 <hampton> oh? The instructions when selfupdate finished was to update-all
16:20:33 <dbr> but it is most of gnome...
16:20:47 <hampton> yes
16:21:33 <dbr> once you enable unstable, it will want to update anything for which there is a newer version in unstable
16:23:03 <dbr> there is a way to encourage the use of binaries, if available, but update-all crushes that with a hobnail boot
16:23:24 <dbr> unless of course that switch will work with update-all. I don't know.
16:28:44 <dbr> self-update -> update-all. Yeah, it does say that, but I never do. I use fink commander and sort by status
16:29:17 <dbr> and update piecemeal once in a while. That did help me catch the glib 2.12.5 issue
16:29:36 <hampton> I've got an update of swig (and its 16 dependencies) running right now because I have to update that. I'll see if I can get by without updating anything else right now.
16:29:45 <andi5> dbr: you said docs would work on windows... so what happens if you click on help in the create account dialog?
16:30:05 <dbr> andi5: just a sec, I'll see
16:31:34 <dbr> I get the page titled "To Create a New Account"
16:31:43 <andi5> nice
16:31:47 <dbr> yep
16:31:49 <andi5> thanks!
16:31:59 <dbr> anytime
16:32:30 <andi5> dbr: i suppose you see pictures?
16:33:24 <dbr> andi5: on that page I only see text and tables.
16:33:50 <andi5> perfectly possible, but what about the others?
16:34:32 <dbr> I do see screen shots elsewhere
16:34:55 <andi5> ok... seems like they really work
16:36:34 <dbr> indeed
16:38:04 <dbr> hampton: I only see swig 1.3.20 in fink. I had to compile swig outside of fink. Then I really only had to have guile available.
16:52:14 <hampton> I was going to ask you about that. 17 packages to upgrade swig from 1.3.20-1012 to 1.3.20-1013. :-(
16:53:00 <hampton> I've got the guile16 binary package installed
16:54:11 <dbr> guile16 is enough, but swig IIRC needs to be at least 1.3.29
16:54:17 <dbr> I have 1.3.31 now
16:54:56 <dbr> If you build it yourself, you need the same guile16-build/env stuff to build swig as you use in most of the gnucash build
16:56:03 <dbr> except for that, I think I just downloaded the swig tarball and ran the normal sequence
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17:18:58 <warlord> hampton, dbr: MacPorts? ;)
17:19:19 <warlord> dbr: any idea how hard it would be to build a .dmg installer for GnuCash?
17:20:08 <dbr> warlord: I think it would be a lot of grunt work but I know the basic steps of incorporating all the libraries in an app bundle
17:20:30 <dbr> we would still need an installer to handle the schema settings, I think
17:21:07 <warlord> Probably.. I'm not sure how gconf etc. would deal with being installed in an App Bundle.
17:21:28 <dbr> building a binary installer might even be the right excuse to learn enough xcode IDE stuff to make maintaining it doable
17:21:40 <hampton> how about a "gtk+ for MacOS" version of gnucash? ;-)
17:22:39 <dbr> I haven't tried the native gtk+ port. sounds like it's a little too far from prime time yet
17:22:54 <warlord> hampton: there is that, if gtk+-macos is far enough along to get us everything we need.
17:23:18 <warlord> okay, time for the BOF. BBL.
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17:24:14 <hampton> I just found the page. There was a port on SF that hasn't had a release since 2004, but there another page at imendo.com
17:27:10 <dbr> I saw the imendio page recently. The todo list looks awfully big.
17:28:45 <hampton> I still seem to be using /usr/bin/ld in the configure tests. :-(
17:32:52 <dbr> In a bit when I get home I'll see if I can figure out it I did anything else. I thought the fink build utils took care of setting up glibtool and glibtoolize to intercept calls to gnu libtool
17:34:48 <kdienes> A .dmg installer should be pretty straightforward.
17:35:00 <dbr> but huge
17:35:05 <kdienes> amen to that
17:35:19 <kdienes> but aren't they all?
17:35:52 <dbr> I've some in the low 10's of MB. We'd be lucky to get gnucash in under 150
17:37:20 <kdienes> I remember downloading some goofy "asteroids" game and it was like 130 Mb
17:37:40 <dbr> yeah. Those damn static link jobs...
17:37:49 <kdienes> My biggest regret about my time at Apple was my failure to get them to use a decent packaging scheme.
17:38:25 <dbr> I guess you didn't drink enough kool aid?
17:38:51 <kdienes> Something like that!
17:39:00 <kdienes> It is a long, long, story, I suppose.
17:39:11 <dbr> Turns out I had a similar problem in the chemical industry.
17:39:27 <kdienes> There were some antics by the free-software-advocate folks that didn't help things.
17:39:35 <dbr> for sure
17:40:03 <dbr> the ol' damned if you do and damned if you don't
17:40:11 <kdienes> yeah
17:40:44 <kdienes> In this case it was the assertion that using dpkg would make them a derived work, scared off the lawyers.
17:41:01 <kdienes> That, plus the general BSD culture, pretty much put a nail in it.
17:41:16 <kdienes> I suppose it was for the best; the app packing stuff is pretty user-friendly.
17:42:22 <dbr> But it did take them several iterations to make things smooth on the outside
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17:42:43 <CyborgMax> hi
17:43:01 <CyborgMax> How can I change the default size of the transfer funds window? the fields "transfer from" and "transfer to" are too small. I always have to scroll, especially when I want to view the sub-accounts.
17:43:40 <dbr> There isn't a setting. you end up dragging the window bigger each time :(
17:43:49 <CyborgMax> omg
17:43:52 <hampton> Gnucash will remember the size in 2.0.3 (4?) or later
17:44:03 <CyborgMax> okay
17:44:17 <CyborgMax> i will hope for updates in nex version of ubuntu
17:44:25 <dbr> hmm. I'm going to have to go test that. I didn't think it did...
17:44:28 <kdienes> true enough, and internally the build systems are less than optimal
17:44:43 <CyborgMax> hä?
17:44:45 <kdienes> though their build and integration department is pretty heroic
17:44:48 <hampton> Someone else asked yesterday and warlord and chased down the patch that added it
17:45:13 <hampton> now it can't find popt.h even though /sw/include/popt.h is clearly present
17:45:14 <CyborgMax> maybe it was me, who asked this yesterday ;-)
17:45:46 <CyborgMax> And is it possible to make the options (in the transfer window as well) "Dhow Income/Expense" activated by default?
17:45:56 <dbr> maybe another version problem with popt?
17:46:03 <hampton> same problem for libofx.h.
17:46:10 <hampton> no, the compile can't even find the file
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17:47:46 <hampton> I was looking at the wrong message in the log file. seems the problem is not the include file but the popt library file.
17:48:40 <dbr> that does sound more like a versioning problem of some sort.
17:49:16 <hampton> its present. I just compiled popt from source, and the library and links are present in /sw/lib
17:50:04 <dbr> any chance the compile is looking for the old library?
17:51:02 <hampton> All I see in config.log is '-lpopt' with no version specifier
17:52:47 <CyborgMax> How can I get a Transfer-Icon in my symbol-bar in GnuCash?
17:54:16 <hampton> Its already present in the register window toolbar.
17:54:22 <dbr> CyborgMax: I might be wrong about this too, but I don't think the icon bar is user customizable
17:54:33 <hampton> no, its not
17:55:05 <hampton> You could also use Ctrl-T to bring up the transfer window from either the accounts window or from the register
17:55:49 * dbr thinks maybe the wiki could use an extensive cheat sheet on keyboard shortcuts...
17:56:07 <dbr> all that documentation fun, and all :)
18:00:04 <dbr> biab - and then I can dig around in my fink world instead of trying to remember
18:00:31 <hampton> The shortcut key (if any) always appear on the menu item for the command.
18:00:58 <hampton> And they're user modifiable if you prefer a different key.
18:01:13 <dbr> I think I may still run through all the menus and collect them - gets people to realize how extensive the list is
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18:30:40 <micah> somone else opened up my gnucash file on another computer and the dates are off by a day from what I'm seeing, its the exact same file I am using... but she is 1.8.12 and I am 2.0.5
18:31:05 <micah> does gnucash try to do something smart?
18:31:10 <andi5> same time zone?
18:31:32 <micah> no
18:31:37 <andi5> hehe
18:31:49 <micah> but the tiemezone difference is only one hour
18:32:07 <andi5> who saved the file?
18:32:11 <micah> i did
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18:32:51 <micah> but I would think that gnucash would not try be smart about that
18:33:05 <micah> and its unlikely that I would save it at midnight when they were at 11am
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18:34:39 <andi5> hm... strange... have you checked the file contents? anything near midnight in there? (sorry for not knowing better)
18:35:03 <micah> the file is in binary format
18:35:18 <andi5> oh, you can save it uncompressed
18:35:25 <andi5> (or run gunzip on it)
18:35:26 <micah> how do I do that?
18:35:28 <micah> oh ok
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18:38:03 <micah> yeah it does have entries for 00:00 -700
18:38:17 <andi5> hasselabcasdf... why does mc auto-decompress.... i have thought i made a mistake ;-) .... well, so basically gzip in thread works... let us test this on windows
18:39:53 <andi5> micah: trn:date-posted?
18:40:03 <micah> yeah thats where it is
18:40:23 <micah> can I set my locale to UTC and launch it
18:40:43 <andi5> TZ=UTC gnucash, maybe?
18:41:07 <micah> yeah
18:42:05 <andi5> i thought there was a bug about it that got fixed by saving dates at 1200 o'clock (12 am/pm or what whatever that is .... midday)
18:44:11 <andi5> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137017 ...
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18:44:54 <andi5> some should go fix it...
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19:03:02 <andi5> uuuhhh... gzipped files on windows...
19:03:11 <andi5> they are so damn small
19:11:27 <hampton> someone should go split the date from the time so we no longer have to worry about things shifting in timezones. ;-)
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19:12:48 <hampton> that's also eliminate any lurking year 2038 bugs. Never too soon to prevent the next Y2K problem. :-)
19:13:02 <andi5> *wining* ... gnucash saves compressed files now, but it cannot open them...WT...
19:13:33 <andi5> hampton: you want to do it?
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19:15:06 <andi5> i also wonder what people want to see... i guess if we split date and time, people will start to complain that once they change the timezone, later txns will appear before prior ones
19:16:54 <hampton> We could just declare that everything is in UTC, but that's not user friendly.
19:17:45 <hampton> Convert to the GnomeDateEdit widget and enable time entry?
19:17:53 <leonardof> Hello. I'm part of the GNOME pt_BR l10n team, and I'm considering translating GnuCash. I have other commitments too, so I'd like to know an estimative for the next GnuCash release, so that I can prioritize my tasks accordingly.
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19:19:14 <hampton> There's been talk about a 2.2 release, but no schedule has been set.
19:19:31 <andi5> hampton: maybe what we have now is not complete nonsense... i.e. always save date+time+tz together... as long as we do not have time entries, assume 12 o'clock local time .... sort by real (utc) time, but show the date (/time) in the tz specified for the txn
19:20:01 <andi5> everyone willl understand the the clock may spring back
19:20:24 <andi5> ok, jump back or so
19:20:35 <hampton> [ot] bbiab. dinner
19:20:47 <dbr> hampton: which os x version do you have:
19:20:58 <leonardof> hampton: "no schedule": is this answer to me?
19:21:15 <andi5> yes
19:21:27 <hampton> dbr: 10.4.9
19:21:29 <hampton> leonardof: yes
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19:21:37 <andi5> actually we thought about having test releases already... but we obviously have no :)
19:21:47 <leonardof> hampton: so, I could take more than one month, and that's fine?
19:22:12 <andi5> leonardof: how bad is your existing translation?
19:22:24 <leonardof> andi5: 6 years late.
19:22:31 <leonardof> andi5: it will be hard work;
19:22:36 <andi5> indeed
19:22:46 <leonardof> andi5: I've been looking for glossaries
19:23:14 <leonardof> andi5: but I wanted to know how little time did I have :)
19:23:24 <andi5> do not expect 2.2 before may
19:23:39 <andi5> maybe june? .... we .. do not have a schedule :)
19:24:43 <leonardof> andi5: thanks, that's more precise than what I knew!
19:25:06 <andi5> leonardof: you do not need to have a complete translation at the release date anyway
19:25:43 <leonardof> andi5: will there be any e-mail like "we are close to release"?
19:25:56 <andi5> yes, there will be call(s) for translators
19:26:26 <leonardof> andi5: I'm getting in contact with the former translator, as well as our TP team.
19:26:44 <andi5> leonardof: have you checked out http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation
19:27:01 <leonardof> andi5: do I have to sign the FSF disclaimer? I sent it to FSF, but no response yet.
19:27:11 <leonardof> andi5: yes, found it, thanks.
19:27:22 <andi5> FSF disclaimer?
19:28:38 <kdienes> he means the copyright assignment / disclaimer
19:28:46 <leonardof> kdienes: yes.
19:41:54 <leonardof> andi5, kdienes: so, do you know if I can submit translations even if FSF didn't receive the disclaimer yet?
19:42:43 <andi5> no
19:43:11 <andi5> leonardof: feel free to ask on gnucash-devel.... cstim is our translation guru and will definitely know
19:43:31 <leonardof> andi5: thank's, I'll subscribe to the list.
19:43:34 <kdienes> leonardof: for my part, i don't know anything at all =)
19:43:46 <andi5> kdienes: can you do me a favor, please?
19:43:54 <kdienes> certainly, what's up?
19:44:32 <andi5> kdienes: do you have a unix derivate running? does your include/zlib allow "b" as part of the mode parameter to gzopen?
19:44:49 <andi5> i have got the feeling you can answer this question :)
19:45:01 <kdienes> sure, one sec
19:45:10 <andi5> zlib.h i mean
19:45:20 <jsled> leonardof: we don't require a FSF copyright assignment for submissions, generally.
19:45:45 <leonardof> jsled: thanks for the information. do i have to confirm this, or are you sure?
19:46:41 <kdienes> andi5: yes, for both Mac OS X and Debian unstable (both are shipping zlib 1.2.3)
19:46:55 <andi5> kdienes: great! thanks
19:47:27 <kdienes> sure thing; i'm off to take the kids to swimming =)
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19:47:33 <jsled> Well, I've never submitted one.
19:49:32 <leonardof> jsled: I'll confirm it in gnucash-devel, then. thanks.
19:55:43 <kdienes-afk> i am not in any way able to speak for the gnucash folks, but:
19:56:04 <kdienes-afk> i'd be surprised if an assignment were required at all, ever, since the files in the project are all (c) their owners, not the FSF
19:56:27 <kdienes-afk> in all the projects i've worked on that require assignments, it's been reflected in the copyrights on the individual files
19:56:28 <leonardof> kdienes-afk: good to know.
19:56:28 <kdienes-afk> but never hurts to ask
19:57:20 <jsled> yup. None of the current set of developers have filed © assignments with the FSF. The previous group did, but the files don't reflect it anyways.
20:00:30 <leonardof> another question... what will be the next version, 2.0.6 or 2.2? in other words, should I translate branch or trunk?
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20:01:25 <warlord> leonardof: There will probably be a 2.0.6 before a 2.2. There will be a series of 2.1 releases before we reach 2.2 anyways..
20:01:39 <warlord> just subscribe to -devel (or -announce) and you'll get information.
20:01:50 <leonardof> warlord: thanks, i'll translate branch then.
20:01:54 <warlord> I forget where cstim sends announcements in his "call for translations"
20:02:10 <warlord> Note that we do already have a basic translation already, I think.
20:02:52 <warlord> You might want to talk with the current pt_BR translators.
20:03:00 <warlord> (see po/pt_BR.po)
20:06:38 <leonardof> warlord: thanks, i'll ask about the "call".
20:08:29 <warlord> ok
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20:09:51 <leonardof|away> email sent to gnucash-devel. thanks for the patience ;)
20:10:09 <warlord> ok
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20:29:56 <andi5> gotcha, nasty one.... Ohh_BINARY
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21:33:03 <imperito> Hi, I'm trying to import a QIF file, not having a lot of luck getting things to match up, any fantastically knowledgeable QIF importers about?
21:33:28 <imperito> basically, I've got an Asset account that I've been putting splits from my Salary into
21:33:43 <imperito> I can get a QIF of the breakdown of that account
21:34:26 <imperito> but linking the contributions from the splits of Salary to the incoming money in the QIF is proving troublesome
21:59:09 <imperito> Hmm, it seems like having the splits going into one account, and then having money coming out of that account corresponding to the input of the QIF leads to an almost right answer...
22:08:39 <imperito> Is there any way to take a couple of split transactions containing equal credits and debits to one account and merge them into larger split transactions?
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22:33:14 <imperito> Is there any way to have a stock type account show up in terms of dollar value, and not units?
22:34:39 <imperito> Hmm, it says Current Value: No information
22:56:55 <dbr-afk> imperito: the no information means there isn't anything in the price database. (Tools/Price Editor). After you set up the account and commodity, you have to populate the price data by hand or by Finance-Quote
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22:57:32 <imperito> I've been looking at Finance-Quote, doesn't look like it will work for me
22:57:55 <imperito> the funds have codes associated with them, but they don't seem to match up to anything outside of it's own website
22:59:48 <dbr> unfortunately, then you get to add quotes manually (or write a F-Q module...)
23:00:31 <imperito> hmm
23:00:37 <imperito> ok
23:00:40 <imperito> another one, then
23:00:44 <dbr> you might try asking on any of several lists if anyone knows of another quote source that has the funds. Sometimes consolidators carry them with other symbols
23:02:16 <imperito> Is there a way to make the value of a stock type fund income?
23:03:06 <imperito> Like I get some stock from my employer, so I've got an Income account denominated in shares, with transactions going out from that to my Asset account
23:03:27 <imperito> but that makes the value of the account negative, despite it being income
23:04:07 <dbr> I think then you end up back calculating the currency amount, and buying the stock from the income account.
23:04:19 <dbr> but I'm no expert on these matters.
23:04:34 <imperito> yeah, I'm just not sure how best to model it
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23:12:02 <imperito> Perhaps I'll just have the income in currency, it seems like it would be more practical
23:33:09 <micah> ciao
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