2007-03-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:36:36 <jsled> SoC student apps close this Saturday.
09:39:59 <warlord-slow> Ok
09:40:30 * warlord-slow should check to see how we're doing
09:44:59 <warlord-slow> We've got 5 apps so far.
09:51:05 <jsled> yup.
09:51:19 <jsled> And it sounds like 6, from the ML.
09:51:54 <jsled> @op warlord-slow
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09:52:01 <jsled> @op benoitg
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09:52:37 <warlord-slow> thanks
09:52:45 <warlord-slow> (and yes, lokos like we'll get 6 apps)
09:53:11 <jsled> I wonder how much of a rush at the end of the week we'll get.
09:53:17 <jsled> Students, and all... :)
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12:08:08 <warlord> jsled: the main SX Editor in SVN/trunk truncates the calendar view so I'm missing the last couple lines... And there are no scrollbars.
12:08:33 <jsled> make the window bigger. :)
12:08:38 <warlord> I did..
12:08:39 <warlord> But...
12:08:42 <warlord> I shouldn't have to.
12:08:44 <jsled> Also, it's now a split pane.
12:08:50 <warlord> Yeah
12:08:59 <jsled> Yeah, I'd like it to be better about requesting an allocation of it's real minimum size.
12:09:10 <jsled> But I've not got that, yet.
12:10:05 <warlord> ok.
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12:26:21 <esodan> Hi all...
12:26:49 <andi5> hiho
12:28:09 <esodan> I'm thinking a lot about the last discusion about GObject port in GC
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12:29:09 <warlord> that's probably a good thing
12:29:42 <esodan> And I found that I need to prepare a document where I'll explanain the diferent Options I'm considering to reach this port
12:30:09 <warlord> please keep it a text document...
12:30:14 <warlord> (and relatively sort)
12:33:05 <jsled> esodan: Roughly, what are the options? Why do you need to prepare a document to explain them?
12:42:44 <jsled> (going to run an errand; biab.)
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13:02:05 <esodan> To convert QofInstance to GObject needs to convert the GC's objects (Account, Transaction, etc) to GObjects too... in the same step becouse...
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13:12:28 <andi5> because...? :-)
13:14:01 <warlord> esodan: we're still waiting for the rest of that...
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13:30:32 <kdienes> oh god the suspense
13:30:53 <andi5> hehe
13:31:45 <warlord> Hey Klee. Thanks for the patches (not that I've looked at them, yet)
13:34:38 <kdienes> hey, halfway done with them =)
13:34:49 <andi5> wow... changelog entries :)
13:34:54 <kdienes> the register patches are a bit more dodgy though
13:35:17 <jsled> heh.
13:35:20 <kdienes> I think I'm going to submit them as-is and see what folks think before I spend too much time finishing them off
13:35:58 <warlord> kdienes: you could always use pastebin.ca and send the url here or -devel and ask for feedback.
13:36:38 <kdienes> sure, or is that any better than just tossing them in bugzilla?
13:37:00 <kdienes> it's just that it adds the lot to the register UI, which I personally think is pretty awesome
13:37:08 <kdienes> but others might think clutters up the register UI
13:37:23 <warlord> Fewer people will look in bugzilla
13:37:27 <kdienes> the current design of the register UI isn't very friendly to having multiple combinations of "what columns to display"
13:37:42 <warlord> no, it's not. but there is the "register-rewrite" branch.
13:37:59 <kdienes> ahh, cool, even better
13:38:01 <andi5> kdienes: it is waiting for _you_ *g*
13:38:07 <kdienes> rofl
13:38:22 <kdienes> i must resist the temptation though!
13:38:28 <kdienes> i'm off to prison camp in two weeks!
13:39:17 <kdienes> is the register-rewrite branch in a state that i should check it out and re-factor my patch for it?
13:39:45 <warlord> chris?
13:40:07 <warlord> kdienes: You may want to check it out, but it's (unfortunately) not ready to merge back into trunk..
13:40:24 <warlord> But if you do find the time at prison camp we'd appreciate your enthusiasm :)
13:40:34 <kdienes> haha, maybe when i get back
13:40:39 <warlord> ok
13:40:55 <kdienes> i don't think there'll be much internet access in there!
13:40:59 <warlord> Applesauce!
13:41:24 <warlord> You never know.
13:41:26 <kdienes> but if the register-rewrite is "the way going forward" i'll gladly port to it and see where it goes
13:41:32 <kdienes> rofl
13:41:35 <kdienes> trust me, i do!
13:41:40 <warlord> Okay.. I'
13:41:43 <warlord> ve never been there.
13:41:59 <kdienes> it really is prison camp
13:42:06 <kdienes> designed to train you for if you get shot down or whatever
13:42:07 <andi5> school?
13:42:24 <warlord> I think chris believes it's "the way going forward", but the work hasn't been completed so it does need a champion
13:42:34 <warlord> Anyways, I need to run.
13:42:43 <kdienes> sounds good, thanks for the feedback
13:42:56 <warlord> I'll probably be back in 4-5 hours after dinner.
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13:43:04 <andi5> warlord: any apps for reg-rewrite for gsoc?
13:43:13 <warlord-afk> andi5: not yet.
13:43:16 <andi5> ok
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13:45:35 <kdienes> andi5: here's a link to the website
13:45:39 <kdienes> http://www.training.sfahq.com/survival_training.htm
13:45:46 <kdienes> so i'm pretty sure there won't be much time to hack on register code
13:45:54 <kdienes> but i'll definitely give it a look before i go
13:46:15 <warlord> okay, i'm off.
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14:17:24 <esodan> Sorry i have to leave... but may be I'll prepare a document to explain what I'm talking about...
14:18:12 <esodan> in advance: If I get QofInstance as GObject I have all GC's objects as GObject too..
14:19:26 <esodan> becouse I can't create a QofInstance stand alone (it's like a virtual class as GObject is, you can't create a GObject becouse it doesn't means any thing)
14:20:13 <esodan> This was the first reason I've converted all GC's objects in the first step
14:21:37 <esodan> I have an option in witch I can change the QofIntance member, in one GC object, into a pointer and then allow to use g_object_new and create an instance of a QofInstance object...
14:22:05 <esodan> with this I don't need to change in the first step all GC's objects to be GObjects
14:23:22 <esodan> Then I can convert QofInstance to be a GObject in a second step, with out alter the changes made in the first one
14:24:52 <esodan> A second OPTION: do the first step... and then convert object by object the GC's ones to be GObjects with out modify QOF...
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19:31:56 <dbr> andi5: I spoke to soon on -devel. r15739 failed, but somewhere in install instead of make. But I have to fix profile.d anyway.
19:32:20 <andi5> dbr: oh actually i think i made a mistake
19:32:49 <andi5> seems like i cannot add to libgncmod_la_whatever_SOURCES directly, but must set some variable....
19:33:39 <dbr> that explains my work machine. And I think my home machine is suffering from an incomplete install.sh run
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19:34:08 <dbr> leaving some environment variables unset (no message to remind me to add them...)
19:35:06 <andi5> hm... what do you need these variables for?
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19:37:47 <dbr> when pcre and hh got added to install.sh, then the add_to_env normally keeps track and reminds at the end of gnucash compile to modify profile.d
19:39:02 <andi5> that is right, but the plan is that you can install.sh, all gnucash.bat and gnucash scripts without modifications to your environment.... everything is something like a bug :)
19:39:06 <dbr> When install.sh ends abnormally in a step after a successful component install, I never see a reminder to modify profile.d
19:39:13 <andi5> s#can#can use#
19:40:04 <andi5> ahhhh... got it
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19:43:12 <andi5> dbr: http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/15743
19:44:10 <dbr> andi5: will launch another compile in a couple seconds. It will take a couple hours to finish (it's a slow laptop)
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19:46:32 <andi5> dbr: if you have one machine with complete installer.sh, just copy it, respawn the shell and run `make' like on mac/linux .... but if you want to start gnucash, first execute http://pastebin.ca/raw/404369 (i called it cleaninst.sh)
19:52:25 <dbr> andi5: except I usually make from distclean on the mac...
19:54:35 <andi5> dbr: out of curiosity... do builds take longer on windows or mac? :)
19:57:15 <dbr> andi5: depends. My work Dull (2 years old ~ 3 GHz, I think) is a lot faster than the T22 laptop. Mac builds on my 2.3 GHz dual ppc take about 10 minutes to config and 35 minutes to build from distclean
19:57:50 <dbr> I don't usually time the windows builds -- they take so long that I usually set them off and go do other things.
19:58:26 <dbr> aqbanking takes about an hour on the work machine, though (I seem to remember it only takes about 20 minutes on the mac)
19:59:20 <dbr> The mac build times are just gnucash -- dependencies all in place
20:02:28 <andi5> someone should go and try to profile these builds.... i cannot imagine there is no way to speed them up :-) ... (e.g. by wasting memory instead of cpu cycles)
20:03:21 <dbr> yeah, but that's way over my head at the moment
20:03:56 <andi5> too bad ;-)
20:10:39 <dbr> andi5: are you holding off on adding gtkhtml3.14 to install.sh?
20:11:06 <andi5> there is no tarball... i guess i will ping tml tomorrow and ask as politely as possible :)
20:11:15 <warlord> okay, I need to sleep.
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20:11:35 <andi5> tarball on windows means zip file, of course :)
20:11:44 <dbr> ahh.
20:14:09 <dbr> I can't even be impatient and upgrade fink's gtkhtml because their whole pango/cairo setup is older than I am (seems like it anyway...)
20:15:17 <dbr> I suppose I could hijack my wife's machine and do a macports install. Hmm. I wonder how many demerits that entails?
20:15:26 <andi5> hehe :)
20:15:28 <warlord-afk> heh
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23:38:55 <LiENUS> is there any decent solution for gnucash on windows? :/
23:40:17 <Wilddev> there is a port just its not ready for general use yet
23:40:35 <Wilddev> check on the wiki for status
23:42:32 <LiENUS> i saw the wiki...
23:42:37 <LiENUS> the port doesnt appear to do anything..
23:42:45 <LiENUS> I loaded my file and it doesnt show any accounts at all :/
23:43:15 <Wilddev> as I said, its not ready for general use
23:43:55 <LiENUS> is there any software that will load gnucash files so i can check how much money is in my account
23:43:55 <LiENUS> ?
23:44:31 <LiENUS> maybe a web based one :/
23:44:49 <Wilddev> not that I am aware of, but gnucash files on linux are compressed with gzip I believe and u need to unzip them to see them on windows
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23:50:39 <LiENUS> thanks for the heads up
23:50:43 <LiENUS> perhaps that should be in the wiki
23:51:05 <Wilddev> np