2007-03-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:18:50 <SmokeyD> hey people. Anybody succeeded in installing gnucash on Ubuntu Feisty?
06:20:13 <SmokeyD> the binary version included with ubuntu feisty depends on libgtkhtml3.8-15 which is nog available, and building from source also doesn't work, I get the same problems as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/82194 and http://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-devel@gnucash.org/msg17449.html
06:32:03 <warlord> SmokeyD: fiesty ships a broken gtkhtml. gtkhtml3.8-3.13.92 is broken.
06:33:27 <SmokeyD> :( So nothing I can do to get it installed?
06:33:43 <SmokeyD> I mean, building from source from the devs also doesn't work
06:33:54 <warlord> Right, because gtkhtml is broken
06:34:04 <warlord> the ubuntu peopleknow about it.
06:34:15 <warlord> but your only option is to downgrade gtkhtml to a working version.
06:34:25 <SmokeyD> :( Shit, I shouldn't have upgraded to feisty then
06:34:35 <SmokeyD> cause I need to do my taxes :)
06:34:49 <SmokeyD> My own fault
06:35:25 <SmokeyD> I think I will indeed try installing libgtkhtml3.8-dev from edgy or something and build gnucash by hand from that version
06:43:11 <warlord> ok
06:48:01 <warlord> time to head out..
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06:48:55 <SmokeyD> thanks for you help warlord
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11:04:28 <secureboot> is there any documentation anywhere on how to use the budgeting feature in gnucash?
11:04:48 <secureboot> my help manual doesn't open and i don't see anything in the documentation online
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11:10:03 <cortana> secureboot: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/chapter15.html
11:13:30 <secureboot> whoops - thanks for pointing that out. Sorry I missed it.
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11:18:50 <secureboot> is there any way to establish a budget where I expect the same expense in most categories every month?
11:18:56 <cortana> no problem :)
11:19:14 <cortana> it seems fairly quiet in there at hte moment, you might hvae more luck with the mailing list
11:19:26 <secureboot> right now, it looks like i have to enter the same value into each month to get a monthly budget
11:20:59 <warlord> secureboot: chris could answer you positively, but I THOUGHT you could set a frequency on budget items
11:21:25 <secureboot> warlord, let me look around then... i'm not seeing how to do that yet, however
11:23:06 <secureboot> hmmm, not seeing it...
11:24:54 <warlord> well, you might need to wait for chris, then.
11:25:40 <jsled> Yeah, I don't see it either. :/
11:26:11 <secureboot> last question - is there any way to set the budget reporting so that it doesn't report what you spend each month, but instead reports the aggregate of what you've spent since the start of the budget?
11:26:26 <secureboot> for instance, month 3 would report not how much you spend in month 3, but rather months 1+2+3
11:26:28 <warlord> probably not.
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11:42:35 <chris> secureboot: there's no convenient way to enter the same value for many months, except perhaps if you have accurate historical data and can use the "Budget Estimator".
11:43:02 <secureboot> yearg.
11:43:21 <chris> secureboot: cumulative reporting would require a change to the scheme report.
12:04:24 <kdienes> hey, anyone here be willing / able to answer a quick stylistic question for some patches i'm planning to submit?
12:04:35 <warlord> kdienes: Klee?
12:04:49 <kdienes> hey! long time no see
12:05:20 <warlord> Indeed! How are you doing?
12:05:39 <kdienes> I'm doing awesome --- $5 says you can't guess where I am =)
12:06:14 <kdienes> (Fort Rucker, Alabama, pissing around in the three days before I start flight school)
12:10:33 <warlord> Flight School?
12:11:23 <kdienes> I joined the NH National Guard in late 2004; I'll be flying MEDEVAC for the 1159th Air Ambulance out of Concord.
12:11:35 <kdienes> So I'm down here for my primary flight training for the next year or so.
12:12:33 <warlord> Are you still married?
12:12:44 <warlord> Wow!
12:12:50 <kdienes> Yeah, we're all down here living on base. It's pretty awesome.
12:12:50 <warlord> Cool! Well, my Mooney lives at LWM; but I could fly up to CON if you want to get together again sometime.
12:13:05 <kdienes> Hell yeah, we can trade rides or something!
12:13:15 <kdienes> It'll be a year or so before I'm back up there, but I will give you a ring for sure.
12:13:29 <kdienes> You're still working security consulting, yeah?
12:13:31 <warlord> Anyways, what's your specific stylistic question about the patches? Generally we suggest keeping that same style in the file.
12:13:40 <warlord> Some.. I work full time for PGP
12:13:47 <warlord> (but I still live in Somerville)
12:14:31 <kdienes> Well, the back-story is I finally got around to doing my 2006 taxes, and there was a tangled mess of stock options and other tax lot crap in there.
12:15:06 <warlord> Oh. Yeah, gnucash has a number of issues there.
12:15:14 <kdienes> So being unwilling to feed the Intuit beast, I of course said to myself, Aha! Gnucash!
12:15:19 <warlord> There are also some outstanding patches in Bugzilla hat seem to have fallen through the cracks, too.
12:15:31 <warlord> CooL!
12:15:34 <kdienes> (Which has gotten a billion times better since I last looked; congrats)
12:16:03 <warlord> :-D Thanks to chris, jsled, hampton, andi5, ... I've not coded much in the last year or two.
12:16:09 <kdienes> So anyway, yeah, the tax lot stuff was, um, I believe "baroque" was the word we used to use.
12:16:28 <kdienes> But desperation won out over good judgment, so I added some code to allow manual manipulation of tax lots.
12:17:05 <kdienes> A tiny bit of stuff in the engine, a little in the tax lot viewer, and some code in the register to let you see and manually assign entries to tax lots.
12:17:22 <warlord> nice
12:17:31 <kdienes> It's definitely not perfect, but it's more like 70% instead of 20%.
12:17:47 <warlord> sweet.
12:18:01 <kdienes> Well, I wouldn't be too kind until you see the quality of the patches =)
12:18:23 <warlord> LOL. True. I've seen your code before ;)
12:18:25 <kdienes> Anyway I wasn't sure how you guys wanted to get patches, and I'm way way short of time before my classes start.
12:18:39 <warlord> (although we've both grown in the intervening decade+)
12:18:39 <kdienes> Hey there now, I believe we both have stories we could tell!
12:18:54 <warlord> Oh I know.
12:19:01 <kdienes> If anything I think my code was better then, good sir!
12:19:05 <kdienes> I blame the environment =)
12:19:22 <warlord> Um, unified diff.. Either sent to gnucash-devel or attached to a bugzilla report.
12:19:53 <kdienes> The specific question is: should I spend time reducing my patch to 6 or 7 smaller patches that do the minimum possible?
12:20:16 <kdienes> As in, I could factor out "add the memo entry to the table in the lot viewer" and separate the lot viewer change from the register change and etc.
12:20:33 <kdienes> Or I can just send the not-all-that-huge patch as a whole and figure someoen's reading it.
12:20:56 <kdienes> I just figured I'd ask before I did the work since time is so short =)
12:21:21 <kdienes> (There's nothing like knowing you'll be in SERE school in two weeks to motivate you to clear your to-do list!)
12:21:54 <warlord> I think smaller patches are easier to audit.
12:22:08 <warlord> Keep them functionally separate.
12:22:11 <kdienes> Fair enough, I'll go the good-citizen route.
12:22:13 <warlord> use your best judgement.
12:22:49 <kdienes> Tomorrow, then! Today I must go load helicopters and be jealous of your Mooney.
12:24:12 <warlord> ttyt
12:24:21 <kdienes> Awesome, will do.
12:24:24 <warlord> i need to go get food and caffeine so I can stay awake for the next 5 hours
12:24:40 <kdienes> Hey, you on AIM or anything? I can send you a crazy photo from last week.
12:24:58 <warlord> email it?
12:25:16 <kdienes> All hail SIPB!
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12:28:36 <warlord> LOL
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13:07:18 <warlord> Well, that was certainly amusing.
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14:48:01 <warlord> dinnertime
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14:53:44 <Scisla1> Is there any way to have transactions sorted by date, and then have "sub-sorting"? Basically I'd like to see deposits listed before withdrawals on any given day (to help my having panic attacks when things looks worse that they are at first glance ;))
14:54:12 <jsled> IIRC, the number column is part of the sort key.
14:55:22 <jsled> I think that's the only user-visible thing you can change to affect ordering in the register.
14:58:18 <Scisla1> hmmm...
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15:09:39 <remiss> how can I add my account number to the invoice?
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15:12:37 <jsled> remiss: Does <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_you_make_the_organization_name_appear_on_my_Invoices.3F> help?
15:12:52 <remiss> no
15:13:21 <remiss> I've done that, which works great, but the bill needs to be payed somewhere :p
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16:05:25 <andi5> hampton|away: ping?
16:06:33 <remiss> weird.. should it be possible without modifying the invoice template?
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16:13:35 <andi5> jsled: i have got the strange feeling those gtk bug duplicates grow in number exponentially...
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16:14:04 <jsled> andi5: It's certainly a corner case that bugzilla could handle much better. :/
16:14:45 <andi5> i stopped duplicating, btw.... i just fix them with a bit of text about gtk 2.10.10, just to keep the spam lower
16:15:31 <jsled> Ah. noted.
16:26:15 <andi5> jsled: yesterday i was trying to enter a unparsable date into a GncDateEdit which made gnucash crash on windows... i am sure this can be fixed, but the behavior seems to be strange on linux too... is that a well-known bug? .. (it fills the entry with some 2006 date)
16:26:55 <jsled> It doesn't sound familiar to me.
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17:45:10 <warlord> remiss: I dont understand what you mean by "account number" on the invoice..??
17:46:16 <remiss> hmm.. invoices are for sending bills to customers, right?
17:46:59 <warlord> Well, there are Customer Invoices and Vendor Bills,....
17:47:27 <remiss> okay, the point is the customers need to know what account number they should be paying to
17:48:58 <warlord> Ahh, that would be the Billing ID.
17:49:27 <warlord> You can set that in the Invoice.
17:49:33 <warlord> and it'll get printed.
17:49:40 <warlord> as "REF# <...>"
17:50:43 <remiss> hmm.. okay, so there isn't any way to make it look like a 'normal' bill?
17:50:54 <warlord> What do you mean, "normal bill"?
17:52:01 <remiss> I'm really not used to this company stuff, but on my private bills the account number is inside a field called account number
17:52:38 <warlord> "on [your] private bills"? Huh?
17:53:45 <remiss> let me find a picture :p
17:54:01 <warlord> probably a good idea
17:54:17 <remiss> http://www.handicapweb.org/Faktura%20Ve.JPG <-- on the bottom it says 1271 06 75811 which is the account number
17:55:20 <warlord> You could edit invoice.scm to change how it displays the billing ID.
17:56:15 <remiss> okay... do you know if there are any templates on the web?
17:56:36 <warlord> "templates"?
17:56:47 <warlord> Nope. gnucash invoices aren't templated.
17:57:07 <remiss> okay, thanks
18:04:51 <remiss> yay, got locale to work :p
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18:05:06 <remiss> is that locale.gen thing a common problem?
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18:10:30 <warlord> locale.gen?
18:12:54 <remiss> come to think of it, I probably just did something retarded.. nm :P
18:13:22 <andi5> @tell hampton what do you think about http://pastebin.ca/raw/402424 ? is that reasonable, does it work and/or does it match your plans with print-session.[ch], auto{conf,make} foo?
18:13:22 <gncbot> andi5: Error: "ch" is not a valid command.
18:13:42 <andi5> huh?
18:14:09 <andi5> @tell hampton what do you think about http://pastebin.ca/raw/402424 ? is that reasonable, does it work and/or does it match your plans with print-session.c,-.h, autoconf,-make foo?
18:14:09 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
18:15:57 <warlord> okay, good night. too jet-lagged..
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18:24:12 <hampton> andi5: I'm around for a little bit, then will be back later.
18:24:12 <gncbot> hampton: Sent 10 minutes ago: <andi5> what do you think about http://pastebin.ca/raw/402424 ? is that reasonable, does it work and/or does it match your plans with print-session.c,-.h, autoconf,-make foo?
18:26:43 <hampton> andi5: I don't have any problem with those changes
18:27:29 <andi5> i thought i could remove the dependency on gnomeprint completely, but goffice will still depend on it :(
18:28:08 <andi5> but i did not check it thoroughly... maybe its fixed/filed already
18:28:13 <hampton> :-(
18:29:30 <andi5> ok, i will commit it tomorrow evening then, ... if it breaks, you know how to fix it :)
18:29:55 * andi5 is tired.... see you
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