2007-03-12 GnuCash IRC logs
00:01:20 <hampton> firefox &; ssh laptop -f firefox &; do d-n-d
00:02:15 <warlord> Ahh, so remote-x
00:09:18 <hampton> night all
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09:18:08 <BlackBsd> when looking at an account that has been affected by a split transaction, is it possible to view the detail of the split that affected that accout as opposed to the split header?
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09:19:08 <warlord> BlackBsd: "split header"?
09:19:39 <BlackBsd> yeah,
09:19:57 <BlackBsd> does that make any sense?
09:21:21 <warlord> no.. what
09:21:25 <warlord> s a "split header"?
09:22:21 <BlackBsd> i took some took some money from checking and made a split. The header for the split was "Withdrawl" then the first split was "Bought gas" and went to expense::gas the other split item was "Got food" under expense::food...
09:22:43 <rhowe> BlackBsd: Click on the split and hit the "Split" button?
09:22:58 <BlackBsd> now when i look at my expense::food account i see "Withdrawl" as opposed "bought food"
09:23:11 <BlackBsd> yeah i know i can clike the split button.
09:23:22 <warlord> BlackBsd: AHH.... "The Transaction DESCRIPTION" vs. "The Split Memo".. I see.
09:23:26 <BlackBsd> i was just wondering if there was a way to show the part of the transactions
09:23:38 <warlord> BlackBsd: Sure, click the Split button
09:24:33 <warlord> BlackBsd: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149241
09:26:05 <BlackBsd> so this is a feature?
09:26:08 <BlackBsd> request
09:27:17 <warlord> Yes, it's already a feature request.. (and has been for a while)
09:28:17 <BlackBsd> thanks
09:28:52 <warlord> NOte that just because it's been requested doesn't mean that it'll be implemented.
09:29:05 <BlackBsd> i understand
09:29:34 <BlackBsd> have you guys ever taken on any google SOC students?
09:30:17 <rhowe> BlackBsd: You can opt to have all splits open all the time by changing the register style in prefs IIRC
09:30:27 <rhowe> BlackBsd: "Auto-split" might be what you want
09:33:01 <warlord> rhowe: no, auto-split only expands the current transaction.
09:33:24 <warlord> There's also an rfe for a register mode that expands all split transactions (but not "basic" transactions)
09:33:34 <warlord> BlackBsd: we applied to GSoC2007
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11:57:11 <Chad> I have a sales tax rounding issue which I think may have been fixed in gc 2.0 (which I have). I went through the archives many times and saw lots of discussions of rounding up from .5 instead of down which appears to be the default. Is this setting enabled yet? Or can I patch the app to include it?
12:29:09 <warlord> It should round up from .5->.9 and down from .0->.4
12:29:14 <warlord> (I think)
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12:43:00 <Chad> my mistake, it's the third decimal place I'm concerned about for sales tax - so $56.625 should be $56.63, not $56.62 as gc now does it -- there was a discussion of a setting similar to quickbooks where you could dictate whether sales tax will round up or not
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12:50:52 <TheNut> Scheduled transactions are great, but is is possible to do triggered transactions?
12:51:08 <TheNut> So that when a transaction of type X happens, a transaction of type Y is added?
12:54:28 <warlord> TheNut: no.
12:54:38 <warlord> Chad: There is no setting for that behavior.
12:54:54 <TheNut> Any particular reason?
12:56:02 <warlord> TheNut: Um, because nobody ever implemented such a feature?
12:56:08 <warlord> Are you offering to code it?
12:56:18 <TheNut> Depends.
12:56:59 <TheNut> I am trying to get GC to earmark a certain percentage of my income for savings so that when it comes time to deal with the bank, I know how much to transfer.
12:57:21 <warlord> ok.
12:57:41 <Chad> how to people work around this then - don't many states in the US round up for sales tax?
12:58:17 <TheNut> The only clean way I have found to do this, other than working it out myself in which case I should just sell my computer and buy a sheaf of paper and a pen, is to create a bill to myself each time I make some money which I then mark as paid when I have dealt with the bast^Wbank.
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12:59:04 <TheNut> I would like it to be done automatically. I have this curious objection to doing work the computer is quite capable of doing on its own. If that means writing a collection of functions to do it then I shall look for the time in which to do so.
13:00:43 <warlord> TheNut: as I said, gnucash doesn't do it. nobody has implemented it.
13:00:56 <warlord> I understand what you're trying to do..
13:01:05 <warlord> gnucash doesn't currently support it.
13:01:41 <warlord> Chad: I believe that it will round up with .51 but not .50
13:03:36 <warlord> The underlying math DOES support an option to round up on .50, but there's no way to tell gnucash which particular rounding method to use.
13:07:58 <Chad> ok, well I hope future versions allow this to be toggled if at all possible. Thanks for the help!
13:08:25 <warlord> Chad: unlikely to happen unless someone donates the patch for it. It's not something that lots of people are asking for.
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13:13:05 <warlord> FYI, jsled, chris, hampton|away: I applied to the GSoC.
13:13:08 <warlord> @op benoitg
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13:13:18 <chris> warlord: yey!
13:13:21 <jsled> excellent.
13:13:28 <jsled> thanks for doing that.
13:13:56 <jsled> Any idea on when we'll hear back; another project I follow says they'll know by wednesday, which seems pretty fast.
13:14:08 <warlord> I have no idea.
13:15:20 <warlord> I guess it means I have to check my gmail account more often.
13:17:30 <chris> warlord: there's a FF extension.
13:17:48 <warlord> FF?
13:17:57 <chris> Firefox.
13:18:39 <warlord> Oh.
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16:12:03 <jsled> Oh, yeah: [[[ We'll post a list of approved organizations on the Google Summer of Code page on Wednesday, March 14, 2007.
16:12:07 <jsled> ]]] - http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/03/google-summer-of-code-mentors-apply-now.html
16:24:47 <warlord> Ok
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16:57:43 <ssickle> Can anyone point me toward a tutorial on how to close out a year/accounting period in gnucash?
16:58:39 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Is_there_book-closing_support.2C_yet.3F
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22:38:48 <fiveiron> how exactly does one delete an invoice completely?
22:39:00 <foo> Can't
22:39:03 <foo> (I don't think)
22:39:07 <fiveiron> hmrmrmr
22:39:58 <foo> 5C/w 28
22:40:21 <hampton2> 6D/x 39 ?
22:40:46 <foo> hampton2: 5C = weird char, /w = switching windows in irssi to window 28
22:40:46 <foo> :)
22:43:53 <warlord> fiveiron: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_delete_an_Invoice.2C_Customer.2C_Vendor.2C_or_Employee.3F
22:44:24 <fiveiron> warlord, thanks!
22:44:42 <warlord> fiveiron: dont thank me yet. It still says "you can't"
22:44:48 <fiveiron> i know
22:44:55 <fiveiron> i had figured that much by the time i got to that page
22:45:08 <fiveiron> i was already marking the ones I wanted to delete as inactive
22:45:10 <fiveiron> :o)
22:45:24 <warlord> Which is the "supported" way.
22:45:28 <warlord> Or you can re-use them
22:45:32 <fiveiron> true
22:45:44 <foo> warlord: hmm, I highlighted your nick the other day in regard to setting an opening balance on that Capital Withdrawal account. You get it by any chance?
22:45:57 <warlord> foo: nope.
22:46:03 <warlord> At least, probably not.
22:46:06 <foo> np
22:46:38 <foo> warlord: hm, ok, I have capital withdrawal now... but it's in the negative, because I need a starting balance. Hm, anyway the starting balance could just be the total assets? I'm pretty sure that's what it would be. I'm just withdrawing from the checking account, really... that's part of an asset. Or maybe it should be the total checking account. hmm.
22:48:20 <warlord> foo: Sorry, I dont follow. you "need a starting balance"? In which account? Only assets and liabilities (typically) need an opening balance.
22:48:31 <warlord> ... and those come from Equity:Opening Balances.
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22:55:54 * hampton2 debates what to do about the difference in page rotation values between GtkPrint and GnomePrint
22:56:09 <hampton2> GnomePrint uses degrees. GtkPrint uses radians.
22:57:02 <warlord> hampton2: I think people understand degrees better, so the UI should use degrees and internally we can convert (as necessary)
22:57:09 <hampton2> I figure I can 1) use the native units, or 2) continue to use degrees in the UI and in the check format descriptions and convert to radians internally when using GtkPrint
22:57:28 <hampton2> I was afraid you'd say that.
22:57:49 <hampton2> #1 is easier for me, but #2 is probably "the right thing"
22:58:00 <jsled> Yeah, #2 is clearly the right thing...
22:58:11 <jsled> No one knows radians.
22:59:07 <warlord> Yeah, #2 is clearly the right ting.
22:59:10 <warlord> thing, even
23:00:24 <hampton2> mathematicians know radians :-P
23:01:03 <hampton2> and no, I'm not one. I had to look it up. ;-)
23:01:35 <warlord> Oh, *i* know radians, but my mom has probably never heard of the term, let alone know how to enter "pi"
23:01:47 <warlord> (or, more likely, pi/2)
23:19:07 <foo> warlord: I set up Equity:Capital Withdrawal as an account that woudl track what money I take from the business and put in my personal checking (eg. withdraw from the business)... I made transfers that basically decrease money from my assets:checking account... the total for the equity:capital withdrawal is in the negative.. is that normal? Hm
23:19:35 <warlord> foo: yes.
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23:46:03 <foo> warlord: ohh, ok, I see
23:49:06 <jsled> hampton2: nice
23:49:17 <jsled> [[[
23:49:17 <jsled> +[Check Positions]
23:49:18 <jsled> +Height = 204.0
23:49:18 <jsled> +Name_1 = Top
23:49:18 <jsled> +Name_2 = Middle
23:49:18 <jsled> +Name_3 = Bottom
23:49:20 <jsled> ]]]
23:49:22 <jsled> beautiful.
23:49:40 <hampton2> thanks.
23:51:11 <warlord> Nice!
23:51:13 <hampton2> I didn't try and hide the change in origin between GnomePrint (lower left) and GtkPrint (upper left). I did add a label to the custom settings page indicating which origin is being used.
23:52:25 <hampton2> There are two sets of check descriptions, one for GnomePrint and one for GtkPrint (because of the different origins). The right one is installed via the Makefile.am
23:53:09 <warlord> Did they finally change the so#?
23:53:28 <hampton2> gtkhtml? don't know.
23:54:36 <warlord> Although I guess the GnomePrint v. GtkPrint is a compile-time check.. so I suspect the right thing will still happen.
23:54:44 <warlord> How do you deal with "Letter" vs. "A4" paper?
23:55:01 <hampton2> compile time. its predicated on gtk >= 2.10
23:55:19 <hampton2> I don't. The prior code didn't either.
23:55:35 <hampton2> With the origin in the upper left I don't think it matters
23:55:44 <warlord> True, but the prior code had an origin in the upper-left, so it didn't matter.
23:55:49 <warlord> With an origin in the lower-left it might.
23:55:59 <hampton2> no, the prior code had an origin in the lower left
23:56:44 <hampton2> (top . 540.0)
23:56:44 <hampton2> (middle . 288.0)
23:56:44 <hampton2> (bottom . 36.0)))
23:56:46 <warlord> It did?
23:56:49 <warlord> huh.
23:57:46 <warlord> Um, okay.
23:58:28 <warlord> No GtkPrint deluxe.chk?
23:58:38 <hampton2> should be there.
23:58:44 <warlord> Oh, there it is..
23:58:54 <warlord> Sorry..