2007-03-06 GnuCash IRC logs
00:03:41 <foo> aj: Hm, I did what you said.. put a transaction that was a withdrawal in my checking account register, and now my retained earnings is in the negative. hmm. Is that normal?
00:07:00 <warlord> datakid23: yum install encfs
00:07:23 <datakid23> ubuntu's edgy eft, so synaptic, I guess?
00:11:44 <datakid23> is there a way to export an account as a csv?
00:14:24 <aj> foo: if you didn't start with any retained earnings, yes. at the end of each year, you transfer your profit to retained earnings, and that's what you're drawing against
00:15:05 <aj> foo: (but talk to your accountant to see if there's a different way you should be doing it)
00:15:08 <foo> aj: hmmm. I'm not drawing against the total in my checking account?
00:15:33 <aj> foo: you're doing both, that's how everything stays balanced
00:17:05 <warlord> datakid23: no. you can export e.g the transaction report, but it would be an HTML table. Or you can use gnucash2qif. but no, no csv export.
00:17:08 <foo> aj: hmm, so I'm drawing against my current checking account and the net profit from last year?
00:18:20 <warlord> anyways... good night
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01:06:22 <datakid23> ok, I'm off to work, cya round
01:06:28 <datakid23> sorry, wrong window
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12:44:47 <MrN> hi
12:50:51 <CincyPat> hi
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12:51:40 <CincyPat> I am a new user of gnucash and I have 2 bugs in so I thought I better pay closer attention.
12:54:18 <warlord> okay
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14:36:00 <chris> what's with autogen.sh bailing on every other run?
14:36:17 <warlord> Huh? I've not seen it bail on every other run...
14:37:41 <chris> anytime I change anything, I've had to run it twice.
14:38:16 <andi5> yes, ... some time ago i posted a solution, but warlord wanted to fix it the real way :P (autoreconf)
14:38:45 <chris> andi5: irc or -devel?
14:38:56 <andi5> i think here
14:39:29 <andi5> something in our macros/ directory, but i just do not know anymore :) .. (cannot test right now)
14:40:20 <chris> I'd guess macros/pkg.m4
14:42:00 <andi5> indeed
14:43:53 <chris> andi5: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-devel@gnucash.org/msg13294.html ?
14:44:27 <andi5> too old
14:44:44 <andi5> http://pastebin.ca/raw/317669 .... damnit
14:48:09 <andi5> phew, wrong pastebin :)
14:48:49 <chris> Saved by ephemera?
14:51:08 <andi5> it is in my gaim logs... warm and safe, unreachable from within windows :)
14:51:55 <chris> whew.
14:52:13 <andi5> or maybe not even that ... /me stops flooding..... well, i guess i can resolve the problem later ;-)
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14:52:33 <warlord> Sorry, I just dont have time to look into it.
14:52:39 <chris> autoreconf wouldn't be a bad idea either.
14:53:38 <chris> oh well, I guess it's not annoyng enough to be anyone's top priority.
14:53:45 <andi5> chris: oh... try to lower all letters of PKG_CONFIG_MIN_VERSION ... i think that was it
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15:12:08 <andi5> [ot] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/phishing.pdf ... i feel safer now
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15:18:07 <jsled> That's great.
15:21:52 <MrN> pretty good paper :)
15:22:48 <warlord> Peter's a good guy.
15:23:56 <MrN> quite depressing though (i'm currently on page 8)
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15:26:11 <cstim> hi
15:26:22 <cstim> just a small english wording question:
15:26:56 <cstim> If I'm married and have one child, can I describe myself as "I'm married with on child"? In German, that would sound rather weird.
15:27:18 <jsled> s/on/one/?
15:27:24 <jsled> yes.
15:27:42 <jsled> with "on" it sounds weird in English, too.
15:27:49 <cstim> one, of course.
15:28:14 <cstim> For Germans we would use "married with somebody" exclusively with the significant other...
15:28:19 <warlord> Hey cstim
15:28:24 <cstim> hey warlord
15:28:41 <jsled> I suppose it's better "married, with one child."
15:29:00 <warlord> Or "Married, with children"
15:29:04 <jsled> Yeah.
15:29:19 <jsled> Now that I think about it, the comma is pretty important.
15:31:11 <cstim> my company has just relauched http://www.team-lux.com
15:31:14 <warlord> [ot] http://www.break.com/index/how_to_trap_government_employees.html
15:31:45 <cstim> but that's another department, not the one I'm working with.
15:32:12 <jsled> That's too bad; that'd be a lot of fun.
15:33:48 <cstim> jsled: yes, in principle, but there's far more work involved in getting this car going than I'd initially thought.
15:34:15 <cstim> in any case, the new place is a lot of fun to be. As chris put it: It results in a more challenged, more happier me.
15:34:25 <jsled> :)
15:34:44 <cstim> see ya
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15:39:27 <chris> gncbot: tell andi5 lowercasing the pkg_config_min_version seemed to work. thanks.
15:39:27 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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17:07:20 <dbr> anybody know the correct invocation to launch gnucash under gdb on windows?
17:07:50 <dbr> I've tried ${prefix}/bin/gnucash-env gdb ${prefix}/bin/gnucash-bin and it just seems to hang
17:08:56 <warlord> on WINDOWS? Umm... Well, that SHOULD be correct.. How does it hang?
17:10:51 <dbr> cursor sits and does nothing
17:11:11 <dbr> but, the wiki has some info, I should have looked there first. off to try that.
17:12:37 <warlord> ok
17:16:13 <jsled> Just hangs eh? Maybe you should run it under gdb to see... oh... ;)
17:17:35 <dbr> :P
17:18:18 <dbr> the wiki instructions work (change the script line to 'exec gdb gnucash-bin')
17:18:51 <dbr> now to see how instructive it is to crash on a failed ofxdirectconnect session...
17:20:02 <dbr> damn. gotta wait until late some night when the server is playing games...
17:21:30 <warlord> heh
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17:33:50 <andi5> dbr: indeed, the standard gnucash and gnucash-env scripts do not work, because they have been written for unixes... you might want to take a look at the bottom of install.sh to see how we create a win32 gnucash script
17:35:17 <warlord> andi5: I wonder if install.sh should just remove the standard gnucash and gnucash-env scripts?
17:35:39 <dbr> andi5: yeah -- I really just needed to look at the wiki first! I have it running, but I can't recreate 412913 yet. It looks like it takes more than a failed login to trigger a backend queue problem. I've seen it late at night, so it looks like I need to wait till then.
17:35:55 <andi5> ok
17:36:11 <andi5> warlord: well, we might improve dist.sh not to copy it into our installer
17:36:25 <warlord> ok
17:45:42 <andi5> oh, i just noticed that i can interrupt a process by attaching to it and detaching with the help of ctrl-c :-) .... ctrl-c is to be considered as evil, imho (ctrl-c ~= kill'em all)
17:46:49 <andi5> dbr: did you read the wiki page Stack_Trace before going to Windows/gdb? ... we could add a note there
17:47:44 <dbr> andi5: not the first time, and I haven't followed the links about relocatable modules yet, but I'll try to get the most useful traces
17:48:43 <andi5> dbr: oh, i just wonder whether we need to promote this section better :)
17:49:42 <dbr> depends on when people get around to using gdb. I spent a bunch of time beating on the installation, and by the time that worked, I had forgotten about the section on gdb.
17:50:24 <MrN> n8
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17:51:00 <andi5> dbr: do you have any non-aqbanking issues you desperately need to be fixed on win32?
17:51:30 <dbr> andi5: nope, but I haven't been really testing much else. Seems to work ok.
17:51:44 <andi5> i see
17:56:49 <dbr> andi5: to get the updates to gnome pieces in 15681, do I have to delete the whole gnome directory?
17:57:08 <andi5> yes
17:57:13 <dbr> thanks
17:57:25 <dbr> sort of :)
17:57:33 <andi5> well, it is painless
17:57:56 <dbr> windows is _always_ painful
17:58:19 <andi5> not, if you watch out at the grub stage
17:58:31 <dbr> ???
17:58:37 <andi5> simply do not boot it
17:58:50 <dbr> ah. true
17:59:15 <dbr> but what bigger alligators are there to wrestle?
17:59:45 <andi5> bigger than what?
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17:59:57 <dbr> windows
18:00:04 <andi5> slack
18:00:06 <tats> hi guys
18:00:19 <andi5> hi tats
18:00:25 <dbr> ignorance is bliss, I guess
18:00:56 <tats> i' have problem trying to export a report in PS or PDF in mac os x
18:01:26 <andi5> can one print to ps/pdf in mac os?
18:01:28 <tats> if I print a report in a PDF file only the table borders appear (no text)
18:01:56 <dbr> I think that
18:02:00 <tats> andi5: usually from a os x software i can print to a pdf or ps...
18:02:05 <dbr> s a font rendering problem
18:02:15 <tats> ... but not from within a Xdarwin-run program such as gnucash
18:02:20 <tats> dbr: ok
18:04:40 <dbr> I think there is something on www.gnome.org/fonts that talks about getting the right local.conf into /etc/fonts
18:04:56 <tats> dbr: cool, i'll look at that
18:05:03 <dbr> that helped with my pdf and other printing problems
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18:24:31 <andi5> dbr-afk: _very_ interesting...
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18:57:06 <dbr> andi5: you were referring to the print-session.c comment?
18:57:15 <andi5> yes
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20:26:19 <foo> Hm, something that might be kind of cool for gnucash is the ability to add a referal option to a customer. eg, how did the customer hear about you
20:26:28 <foo> Then, in the reports... total earnings for this proposed marketing plan:
20:26:29 <foo> or something
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22:13:42 <mcsmith> I'm new to 2.0, and wondering if "lots" are supported. I see the "View Lots..." option when right-clicking on an account, but I can't find how to create lots. Anything I'm missing?
22:19:47 <chris> mcsmith: It's not really supported... or working correctly. It was supposed to be completely disabled in 2.0.
22:20:26 <mcsmith> OK, thanks chris.
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22:59:23 <warlord> foo: put it in the Notes field.
22:59:57 <warlord> chris: not completely disabled. The business features use lots. But the 'automated lots' features were disabled.
23:05:14 <chris> warlord: ahh, I forgot about that.
23:08:08 <warlord> It's okay.. It's why I reminded you.
23:08:34 <warlord> Oh, regarding Register ReWrite.. I still wonder how hard it would be to recreate src/business/business-ledger using your new register code?
23:10:22 <chris> probably not much harder (or easier) than creating the other model/view subclasses.
23:11:51 <warlord> Mkay.
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23:47:43 <warlord> ok. good night
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23:50:47 <foo> warlord-afk: late