2007-03-04 GnuCash IRC logs
00:15:32 <datakid23> correct me if I'm wrong, but a positive (non red) amount in an EXPENSE account, is considered a negative number
00:16:01 <datakid23> whereas a negative (red) number in an EXPENSE account would be considered a positive in my bank balance (ie, a double negative?)
00:23:44 <hampton> If you want to see the actual numbers in the accounts, go to Edit -> Preferences -> Accounts -> Reverse Balance Accounts and select the "None" option.
00:24:44 <datakid23> I'm sorry I don't quite follow - I'm quite happy for things to be the way they are, so long as the answers to my questions above are "yes"
00:25:12 <hampton> Most people use the "credit account" settings, so that you generally see positive numbers everywhere.
00:25:12 <datakid23> because, regardless of how I view it, if the answer is "no" I've made a rather large error, and will have to do a bunch of work over again...
00:25:19 <datakid23> ok, cool - cheers
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01:38:07 <duvnell> I'm looking for some personal finance software.. to start I of course want to create a budget... is gnucash the right tool for that sort of thing (and then beyond that for managing accounts)
01:38:33 <duvnell> I didn't see a way to do it, but didn't know if each budget line item would be like an account or something
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02:17:38 <warlord> duvnell: File -> New Budget
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02:33:46 <duvnell> doesn't show up on my file menu
02:34:22 <duvnell> v1.8.11
02:36:45 <duvnell> nvm.. I see that that's new to 2.0. will update
02:37:28 <warlord> Oh, yeah,... it's only in 2.0.x
02:53:04 <warlord> okay, good night
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09:55:08 <Widget> 'lo
09:55:42 <Widget> i'm having a problem with gnucash 2.0.4 and 2.0.5 - it crashes on startup
09:55:48 <Widget> i have a BT
10:03:40 <Widget> aha. guile was built with threads support and that made it crash
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10:15:12 <Widget> Here's the bug I filed: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169301
10:15:27 <Widget> bfn
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12:07:30 <MrN> hi
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13:12:55 <trentg> Is there any way to install gnucash in a directory other than /usr/local? make install is failing.
13:17:28 <cortana> trentg: when you configure, specify: --prefix=/some/where
13:17:42 <cortana> you could also to make install DESTDIR=/some/where
13:17:48 <cortana> however gnucash probably won't work if you do that
13:17:57 <cortana> since it expects to find all its files under /usr/local
13:18:11 <cortana> so you ahve to recompile after configuring it with the prefix optionp
13:18:47 <trentg> Yes, I've tried that, but I still get errors saying it can't install anywhere except /usr/local.
13:19:48 <cortana> hm, if you configure it to go somewhere else then it shouldn't care about /usr/local
13:19:48 <trentg> What I'm actually trying to do is build a package, so I want it to look for it's files in /usr.
13:19:55 <cortana> maybe some files didn't get rebuilt?
13:20:04 <trentg> Let me try make clean
13:20:32 <cortana> in that case you could use debian's configure line as inspiration
13:20:48 <cortana> env LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib" GUILE=/usr/bin/guile-1.6 CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --disable-static --sysconfdir=/etc --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --libexecdir=/usr/lib --libdir=/usr/lib/gnucash --enable-ofx --disable-error-on-warning
13:23:17 <trentg> I'm trying that now
13:34:43 <hampton> if that doesn't work, try 'make maintainer-clean' and then rebuild. You've definitely got some remnants of your first (/usr/local/) build still in the tree.
13:35:11 <trentg> OK, thanks.
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15:05:43 <trentg> Well I got it to compile and install, but when I start it it says "The configuration data used to specify default values for GnuCash cannot be found in the default system locations". Does anyone know what data this is and where it should go?
15:28:44 <hampton> and your choices in the dialog are?
15:30:01 <hampton> if you built your own rpm, the postinstall script should install the data schemas into gconf.
15:30:28 <trentg> Those in etc/gconf/schemas?
15:30:51 <hampton> yes
15:31:32 <hampton> I'm looking at the rpm spec file that comes with gnucash and it has the incantation to install the schema files.
15:32:08 <trentg> Hmm.. not sure how to do that.. I'll google it.
15:32:27 <hampton> look in the packaging directory in the gnucash source
15:33:13 <hampton> hmm, did you restart your gconfd after installing gnucash?
15:33:24 <trentg> No
15:33:27 <hampton> gconftool-2 --shutdown
15:33:58 <hampton> then try running gnucash again
15:34:48 <trentg> Didn't work.. I'm guessing I have to do something like gconftool-2 --apply schema?
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15:36:41 <hampton> look in packaging/gnucash.spec for the section starting with the line "%post"
15:40:57 <trentg> Hmm.. it still doesn't work.
15:41:17 <hampton> Is there some reason you're not using one of the existing rpms for gnucash?
15:41:38 <trentg> It's too old.
15:42:30 <hampton> most systems are at 2.0.5. iirc debian was the holdout at 2.0.2 but the 2.0.5 version was just approved.
15:43:14 <trentg> gNewSense only has 1.8.. I've got all my stuff saved from 2.0?, so I need a newer version.
15:43:40 * hampton has never heard of gNewSense
15:44:29 <trentg> heh.. anyway, I did exactly what is in gnucash.spec post section, but I still get the same error.
15:45:50 <hampton> I don't know where to point you then.
15:58:25 <trentg> Hmm.. it works as root.
16:02:02 <trentg> Do you know how I can delete a schema for a user? My gnucash one is present but empty.
16:02:29 <hampton> because root can write to /etc? The schemas should not be installed at build time. They get installed in the package postinstall script.
16:03:04 <hampton> delete a schema? Is "rm -rf .gconfd/apps/gnucash ; gconftool-2 --shutdown" what you're looking for?
16:04:05 <trentg> Ah.. gconftool-2 --shutdown did it :)
16:04:49 <trentg> Thanks.. I should be able to get this to work now :)
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16:10:07 <trentg> And if you'd like info, gNewSense can be found at http://www.gnewsense.org
16:44:11 <jsled> trentg: why does the debian/ubuntu package not work with gNewSense?
16:44:36 <jsled> I mean, if it's based off Ubuntu, shouldn't the packages basically work?
16:45:50 <trentg> Yes, but it means adding Ubuntu repos and pretty much making my whole system Ubuntu, and I don't want to do that.
16:46:18 <trentg> I would have to upgrade all the dependencies as well.
16:47:45 <jsled> so, in what way is it Ubuntu-based, then?
16:47:51 <jsled> Cause I'd figure that
16:48:30 <jsled> ...that's what would be meant.
16:49:31 <trentg> It started off as Ubuntu but is different now. The biggest difference is it doesn't include any binary-only stuff.
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19:17:02 <MrN> n8
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21:56:30 <warlord> quiet night..
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22:39:35 * foo nods
22:39:40 <foo> It's because gnucash is so great :)
22:39:42 <foo> We don't have problems
22:39:43 <foo> hehe
22:40:08 <warlord> heh
22:40:30 * foo can't wait until he has this all done and up to date
22:40:38 <foo> I think I'm going to do my invoices as I go, instead of all at the end of the month
22:41:06 <warlord> foo: probably a wise idea ;)
22:41:55 <foo> :) Any other wisdom you want to share on this quiet night? Feel free. hehe
22:46:03 <warlord> nope.
22:46:05 <warlord> i'm off
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22:46:27 <foo> warlord-afk: night
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