2007-02-12 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:01:36 <cstim> dbr: hi
09:01:54 <dbr> cstim: hi
09:02:14 <dbr> I'm using qt4.2.2
09:02:35 <cstim> you are?
09:02:38 <cstim> I will check...
09:03:17 <dbr> Yes, and as far as I can tell, make clean ran after the qt3to4 work
09:05:21 <cstim> oh, I think I got the error: the .ui.h files are not removed by "make clean" although they should have been.
09:05:45 <dbr> After install.sh runs, and it says: "please do the following", can I just copy and paste the whole block at the command prompt?
09:06:02 <cstim> dbr: yes, that's what it suggests.
09:07:41 <cstim> ooookay. Now I understood the error. The error is that qt3to4 is being run on the generated file foo.ui.h, whereas it shouldn't be run on it to begin with.
09:08:15 <cstim> so if you get this error, just remove the two .ui.h files in that directory, and then run "make".
09:08:18 <cstim> then it works.
09:10:39 <cstim> I'll fix the makefiles in a minute.
09:11:24 <dbr> Thanks. I was taking the long road each time because my paths never got completely made outside install.sh, so when I tried to do make in the src directory, I always got errors.
09:11:50 <cstim> yes, that's what I saw with install.sh for a long time as well.
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09:20:08 <cstim> try the latest SVN of aqbanking (r1171).
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09:22:04 <dbr> OK. But that will be later today. I get a bunch of pathmanager.c complaints about gwen when I launch r15571 - is that normal?
09:25:32 <cstim> you mean, complaints about Windows Registry keys not being found? yes, that is normal
09:26:06 <cstim> You can see the registry keys in gnucash's packaging/win32/gnucash.iss . They will be set when you install the setup.exe file.
09:26:23 <cstim> you can ignore them as long as the compile-time path names are still correct.
09:26:42 <dbr> Thanks.
09:32:09 * warlord wishes he had a MacIntel in order to help debug MacIntel problems with trunk.
09:32:35 <cstim> Should the gnucash tip jar donate one to you? :-)
09:33:24 <warlord> Um... I dont think that would be fair.
09:34:18 <dbr> well, you could make it a laptop, and then the devs could share it ;)
09:34:28 <dbr> by mail, as it were
09:34:47 <cstim> by mail? rrrright :-)))
09:35:03 <dbr> just a thought...
09:35:16 <warlord> I could always just let other devs ssh into it..
09:35:36 <warlord> (doesn't have to be a laptop)
09:35:47 <warlord> I suppose a Mac Mini isn't THAT expensive..
09:35:49 <cstim> well, that actually doesn't sound totally unrealistic. Maybe indeed something to pursue?
09:36:34 <warlord> Could be..
09:41:19 <warlord> well, the cheapest Mac Mini is $600
09:41:37 <prock> the MacIntel problems are some strange ld bug, I'm almost sure of it.
09:44:36 <warlord> I wonder why Apple is still using the Core Duo and not the Core2 Duo?
09:45:40 <prock> they do use the core2.
09:46:17 <prock> depends on the model you get. I just don't think they offer it on the mini
09:46:37 <warlord> Or apparently the iMac
09:47:07 <prock> http://www.apple.com/imac/intel.html lists core2
09:47:11 <warlord> The problem with the mini is that I dont have a monitor I could plug into it..
09:47:39 <jsled> Certainly you would only need one for a while, to set it up.
09:47:45 <prock> yeah. once I get something faster I'll be putting mine in the basement. :)
09:49:08 <prock> if you are looking at getting one you could probably find a used one cheaper than $600
09:49:34 <warlord> People are already selling used MacIntels?
09:49:40 <warlord> They've only been out for a year.
09:50:27 <dbr> but there are faster ones available. Gotta have speed. I wait about 2.5 years to upgrade mine.
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09:52:02 <warlord> Well here's a mostly useless bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407079
10:12:10 <cstim> g_date_set_time_t : since 2.10
10:15:35 <warlord> Oh! So where are we using g_date_set_time_t()?
10:15:50 <cstim> at least that's what the report says.
10:16:42 <warlord> ./src/glib-compat.h:#define g_date_set_time_t g_date_set_time
10:16:49 <cstim> The reporter is a frequent poster on gnucash-de, so I guess he'll reply pretty quick.
10:16:53 <warlord> maybe we're missing a #include glib-compat.h
10:18:59 <cstim> the call was introduced here http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/15499#file2 one week ago.
10:19:59 <cstim> yes, #include "glib-compat.h" might be missing because #include "gtk-compat.h" was removed 3 weeks ago, http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/15400/gnucash/trunk/src/gnome/window-reconcile.c
10:20:23 <warlord> Hehe.
10:21:12 <warlord> Okay, I've asked him to test a fix.
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11:09:02 <dbr> cstim: aqbanking svn1174 builds and installs without complaint from make distclean base
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11:09:20 <dbr> no time to test until tonight. gotta go.
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11:10:45 <andi5> warlord: watch out, johannes (accidentally?) resolved the bug above as fixed :)
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11:12:00 <andi5> cstim: is there some trac equivalent for http://aquamaniac.homelinux.net/svn ?
11:13:50 <cstim> andi5: only viewsvn, http://aquamaniac.homelinux.net/viewsvn/aqbanking
11:14:09 <andi5> ok, thanks
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11:14:53 <andi5> cstim: so there is no gwenhywfar commit missing in 2.5.3? weiiiird
11:17:27 <jsled> warlord: I can respond to Donald Allen's email.
11:17:58 <cstim> andi5: what do you mean?
11:18:40 <andi5> well, the gwenhywfar build from install.sh failed all "make checks" again, while compiling from svn worked... i am building manually from the tarball now
11:19:02 <andi5> i do not understand what is going on
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11:21:13 <cstim> andi5: I can guarantee that gwenhywfar-2.5.3.tar.gz is identical to r1150 SVN.
11:21:35 <cstim> andi5: the only issue is that I've created the tarball on suse9.3 which has rather old autotools.
11:22:02 <cstim> you might consider running autoreconf (in that package: "make -f Makefile.cvs") in the tarball.
11:23:48 <cstim> tarball was created with libtool-1.5.14. But on win2000 make check runs fine.
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11:28:25 <andi5> cstim: have you ever had problems with aqbanking on win2000?
11:31:58 <cstim> you mean, with "make check"? no, except for the cmdline interaction functions.
11:32:37 <andi5> ah, right... but testlib did not _crash_, right?
11:32:38 <cstim> shoot.
11:32:47 <cstim> it just crashed :-(
11:32:51 <andi5> tada :(
11:33:49 <cstim> I clearly remember last week that it *didn't* crash.
11:34:02 <andi5> that is the sort of bug i do not like
11:34:24 <cstim> #3 0x78001e00 in _libmsvcrt_a_iname ()
11:35:00 <cstim> that's all I see in the backtrace, always.
11:35:09 <andi5> do you see ???
11:35:14 <andi5> "??"? ;-)
11:35:27 <cstim> #0 0x778b0e73 in ?? ()
11:35:27 <cstim> #1 0x7789cc27 in ?? ()
11:35:27 <cstim> #2 0x778cb74f in ?? ()
11:35:27 <cstim> #3 0x78001e00 in _libmsvcrt_a_iname ()
11:35:27 <cstim> #4 0x78001e00 in _libmsvcrt_a_iname ()
11:35:42 <cstim> everything clear: ?? ?? ??
11:36:06 <andi5> do you know what dll sits there?
11:37:45 <cstim> sits where?
11:38:28 <andi5> at the virtual memory address 0x778b0e73 .... might be a good time to try out pd and mmp ;-)
11:38:39 <cstim> at ?? no, I don't know. I don't have pd and mmp installed
11:38:46 <andi5> (my strack traces rock better.... 0xfefefefefe and stuff like that
11:40:35 <andi5> but for whatever reason make check in gwenhywfar and aqbanking work again, but gnucash crashes on cancelling the hbci setup druid.... this is really frustrating
11:41:59 <cstim> yes.
11:44:54 <cstim> wait - make check in aqbanking works?
11:45:07 <andi5> right now... it failed this morning
11:45:38 <cstim> so even in src/frontends/cbanking make check works?
11:45:54 <andi5> yes, i think so
11:46:05 <cstim> can you go into src/frontends/cbanking and call ./testlib.exe by hand?
11:46:14 <cstim> then call it with an argument: ./testlib.exe foo
11:46:29 <cstim> and see whether the commandline user interaction works.
11:47:10 <andi5> yes, that used to work for me
11:47:30 <cstim> so you even see the "press the first or second button" message?
11:47:42 <warlord> andi5: thanks. I've reopened it.
11:48:14 <warlord> jsled: go for it.
11:48:16 <andi5> (i do not have a runnable gwenhywfar any more.... someone must have forgotten to add --prefix to gwenhywfar :( )
11:49:22 <andi5> oh... maybe there is some artifact disturbing my tests
11:49:30 <cstim> huh? did I screw up install.sh again? :-)
11:49:55 <andi5> no, install.sh looks good
11:50:25 <cstim> Heh. I was asking for src/frontends/cbanking because I had this weird problem in msys but not in cmd.exe.
11:51:22 <andi5> cstim: may you pastebin me the result of "ls -l /c/soft/gwenhywfar", please?
11:51:31 <cstim> And, as you might guess, the cbanking interaction functions are a prerequisite for the command-line setup programs for HBCI or OfxDirectConnect.
11:54:05 <cstim> andi5: the installation directory?
11:54:15 <andi5> yes
11:54:17 <cstim> that's rather boring.
11:54:30 <cstim> http://pastebin.ca/352149
11:54:46 <andi5> okok... add -r ;-)
11:55:06 <cstim> make that an -R
11:55:30 <cstim> http://pastebin.ca/352152
11:55:45 <andi5> thanks
11:58:46 <cstim> weird. make check in aqbanking's src/libs/aqbanking fails even for a fresh SVN build with latest autotools.
11:58:54 <cstim> but I clearly recall that this worked just fine.
12:00:43 <cstim> I give up for today.
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12:01:09 <warlord> dont give up, cstim_away! We all believe in you!
12:04:04 <andi5> aaaahh... i ran "make distclean" in my gwenhywfar checkout and cannot compile any more :(
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12:05:56 <cstim_away> andi5: "make -f Makefile.cvs"?
12:06:16 <cstim_away> or don't you just need ./configure after make distclean?
12:06:19 <andi5> yes... gwenhywfar/types.h and system.h were missing
12:06:56 <andi5> well, i checkout out once more... do not want to debug that
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12:15:16 <cstim_away> oh, that's actually a hint for something that might be wrong in gwenhywfar.
12:15:38 <cstim_away> I'll email on aqbanking-devel.
12:16:08 <andi5> well, actually i am unable to compile even a fresh checkout any more...
12:17:49 <warlord> it doesnt like you, andi5 ;)
12:18:00 <andi5> it hates me
12:19:26 <cstim_away> oh, this generated header thingy is really really involved.
12:19:29 <andi5> i guess it began when i clicked on the cancel button in the hbci setup druid....
12:19:47 <cstim_away> lesson learnt: Never click the Cancel button :-)
12:19:53 <andi5> ack
12:20:50 <warlord> Heheh
12:21:15 <warlord> Hey, cstim_away .... does the AqB CSV parser work? Does it require some sort of "setup"?
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12:24:46 <cstim_away> warlord: no idea.
12:25:03 <cstim_away> warlord: the csv parser offers several input formats (called "profiles" in aqbanking).
12:25:18 <cstim_away> these are selected from the gconf key.
12:25:45 <warlord> Huh. Not sure how to configure that..
12:25:49 <cstim_away> look into $aqbanking_prefix/share/aqbanking/imexporters/csv/profiles for the existing ones.
12:26:41 <cstim_away> warlord: and ask on aqbanking-devel so that Martin explains to you (and us) how to configure this for yourself.
12:26:48 <andi5> interesting... running configure twice solved the problem ;-) .... so everything twice, right?
12:27:02 <andi5> interesting... running configure twice solved the problem ;-) .... so everything twice, right?
12:27:02 <cstim_away> or on gnucash-devel - Martin obviously posts there as well.
12:27:06 <cstim_away> or on gnucash-devel - Martin obviously posts there as well.
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12:27:08 <cstim_away> he
12:27:09 <cstim_away> he
12:27:29 <cstim_away> andi5: read my post on aqbanking-devel; i've described the issue there.
12:27:40 * cstim_away is waaay too gnucash-addicted.
12:28:26 <andi5> seems like it has not arrived the ml yet
12:28:49 <cstim_away> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.aqbanking.devel/1027
12:29:47 <andi5> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=43242&max_rows=25&style=ultimate&viewmonth=200702 .... do they sync every hour or so? ;-)
12:31:35 <egsavage> I would like to thank the developers of GNUCash! I'm using the 2.0.99 at a non-profit organization (on windows, yeah, I know - sorry) and it working pretty well! A couple of weird things with payments not being seen correctly, but I was able to fiddle with dates some on some bills and repost them and mark them for payment with no issues after that.
12:32:43 <cstim_away> egsavage: thank you very much.
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12:34:22 <egsavage> Outside of the non-profit org, I use Peachtree in my own company, but probably only because they keep having free-after-rebate deals on their application. GNUCash has me wondering if I can do everything exclusively under Linux now, even accounting for my own company...
12:36:58 <andi5> egsavage: so you say that GnuCash on Windows made you think whether you could switch to linux? .... i would say that is definitely one of my (our?) goals :-) .. nice
12:37:28 <andi5> sorry for repeating... /me is a bit dumb
12:37:47 <egsavage> oh, I already use linux where I can... its just now that a capable accounting program is there, what do I need windows for? Ok, maybe a couple of games here and there.. ;-)
12:38:19 <andi5> egsavage: you have not seen gnucash on linux before?
12:38:58 <warlord> gnucash has been on linux for years.. it only recently appeared on windows. ;)
12:39:04 <egsavage> I have, its just that anything I do for the non-profit has to be able to run on windows so others can use it since they may not have linux
12:39:23 <egsavage> I have linux servers, laptop, etc... just the other people in the organization may not
12:40:19 <egsavage> as for when I really tried gnucash, yes, it wasn't until recently
12:40:34 <andi5> egsavage: make sure you create bug reports for everything that bothers you :)
12:40:39 <egsavage> of course, I have no idea if there would be any easy migration path coming from Peachtree
12:41:02 <egsavage> andi5: Maybe I'll do one better and submit the fixes ;-)
12:41:06 <cstim_away> andi5: try gwenhywfar SVN r1154. Maybe we indeed got caught up by some old generated header files, which might have caused broken libgwenhywfar.dll.
12:41:07 <cstim_away> see ya
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12:42:44 <andi5> egsavage: hmpff... usually we do not like people to send in patches... but i guess we can make one exception ;-)
12:43:12 <warlord> LOL.
12:43:31 <warlord> egsavage: In case the humor didn't come across, andi5 was making a joke. Patches are welcome!
12:43:32 <egsavage> well, if you'd rather just have the bug report, that's fine
12:43:59 <egsavage> I thought you were kidding, thus the ;-)
12:44:24 <andi5> oh, both together are perfect... i.e. create a bug report and attach the patch... that way i will not be lost
12:44:50 * andi5 gets lost sometimes
12:45:02 <egsavage> Q: is there a windows version that currently gets stock quotes? I was playing around in that part and it was coming up with some error saying something was missing...
12:45:37 <andi5> hm.... it is on our TODO list (finance-quote) ... but that is a job for something _not_ hating perl
12:46:07 <egsavage> yeah, it looked like it was using some external perl module
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12:51:41 <andi5> maybe hampton has an idea.... /me has to leave
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12:52:15 <egsavage> no biggie, I was just curious...
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12:55:36 <warlord> I think F::Q could easily get working by switching from fork() to g_spawn()
12:58:58 <warlord> it would require changing the code from using scheme's (primitive-fork) and wrapping the g_spawn APIs.. Or moving some of the code from Scheme -> C. hampton|away might have some ideas on that.
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13:22:48 <egsavage> warlord: thanks for the info
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20:22:42 <jsled> hmm. quiet day.
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20:37:47 <warlord> yes indeed.
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21:49:38 <spel> Hello there. It seems it is still very quiet tonight, so i'll jump in with my question.
21:50:35 <spel> I ran a spell-check on a copy of fr.po, and I want to know what to do before I send it to C. Stimming.
21:50:59 <warlord> make sure it works.. talk to the existing translator.
21:52:57 <spel> Fabrice Kurz knows I am working on this. What test do I have to perform if there is only typo corrections
21:53:49 <warlord> run with it? beyong that, send it to cstim
21:57:35 <spel> If I understand, for each of those corrections that translate a keyword (like account type) I should run the program to ensure it does not break It ?
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22:04:17 <spel> In fact, thinking twice, there should be none of those for this run. Only corrections to text within some messages on screen. I'll double check and send a copy to the last translator. Thanks !
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22:09:19 <nbinont> fyi: I just built r15574 for windows @ http://www.ece.uwaterloo.ca/~ndpbucha/gnucash_builds/
22:09:57 <nbinont> oh and if you rather me not post this here, please yell at me ;)
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22:21:53 <bab__> anyone emerged gnucash on gentoo lately?
22:23:23 <bab__> i can't seem to get it to go
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22:38:48 <Tonren> The tutorial says that the initial transaction on a loan should Increase an asset and Decrease the loan, but what if I have an education loan that I'm using to DECREASE an Expense? Shouldn't the loan amount be INCREASING?
22:39:52 <aj> you're using a loan to pay an expense, usually
22:40:36 <Tonren> Oh, I was being dyslexic
22:41:37 <Tonren> The tutorial says to increase an asset, decrease the loan, but the way to pay an expense is to *increase* its balance, right? But that would decrease the loan, which makes it negative.
22:43:07 <warlord> Tonren: no, it would increase the asset AND increase the loan..
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22:43:18 <warlord> Liability (and Expense) accounts are "magic"..
22:43:48 <aj> with "magic" meaning they normally have "negative" balances
22:44:10 <Tonren> The sign reversal thing
22:45:55 <warlord> yeah.
22:46:44 <Tonren> Gah.. how do you view hidden accounts?
22:48:39 <jsled> Tonren: View > Filter By > tab=Other
22:49:10 <Tonren> Ahh, there we go
22:49:54 <Tonren> Okay, this still doesn't make sense:
22:50:21 <Tonren> What if I take out a loan for $5,000 to pay for $4,500 of tuition and $500 of loan surplus to go into my bank account (asset) for books?
22:50:48 <Tonren> If I Decrease College Expenses by 4500, Increase Bank Account by 500 and Increase the Loan by $5,000, I get an imbalance error.
22:52:00 <warlord> Tonren: Credit Loan $5000, Debit Checking $500, Debit Expense $4500.
22:52:17 <Tonren> But I'm not debiting checking... I'm crediting it.
22:52:19 <warlord> You INCREASE expense by $4500.
22:52:26 <warlord> No, you're debiting it.
22:52:36 <warlord> Debit Checking -> Increases it.
22:53:07 <warlord> (the labels you get from your bank are THEIR labels, because to THEM your bank account is a Liability. To you it's an asset)
22:54:24 <Tonren> Well, I'll be damned.
22:54:42 <Tonren> Or should I say, "Well, I'll be a Liberal Arts major."
22:54:44 <Tonren> Because I am.
22:54:47 <warlord> LOL
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22:55:01 <warlord> This should be a FAQ if it isn't already..
22:55:46 <Tonren> I don't think so.
22:58:37 <warlord> maybe you could go add one ;) Since you now understand and could probably explain the Q and A well ;)
22:58:49 <Tonren> How do I go about doing that?
22:59:11 <Tonren> By the way, can new people join the development team? I like C, and I like GnuCash, and I'd love to hack on a feature or four if I ever have free time again.
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22:59:55 <warlord> create a wiki account at http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/
23:00:17 <warlord> and yes, you can join the development team.. First you can start by submitting patches! :)
23:00:39 <Tonren> The only problem with putting my loans into GnuCash is that now, instead of my total assets being $250 (the cash in my bank account), it's -$29,750.
23:00:46 <Tonren> (hopefully) SVN patches?
23:01:16 <warlord> haha
23:01:23 <warlord> yeah, patches against SVN (Trunk), please
23:01:44 <Tonren> Sweet. I dig SVN.
23:01:59 <Tonren> There are 3 projects I really want to contribute to, but they use CVS and I just can't figure it out.
23:02:12 <Tonren> I mean, who needs to export environment variables just to checkout a freaking revision?
23:02:15 <Tonren> Not me.
23:02:23 <warlord> Well, http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Subversion has a good mapping of CVS -> SVN
23:02:30 * prock exports long svn urls to $SVN ... but...
23:02:37 <jsled> heh.
23:02:49 * Tonren is also a pretty hardcore newbie, so he probably shouldn't talk.
23:03:17 <Tonren> Ooh, sweet.
23:03:19 <Tonren> Thanks warlord .
23:03:23 <jsled> Tonren: CVS isn't all that bad. It has done good service for many years.
23:03:40 <Tonren> jsled: I'm sure. It's just that I used SVN first. I'm sure that if I used CVS before I used SVN, I'd prefer it.
23:04:08 <Tonren> Oh my gawd. I didn't realize the online FAQ was so gormondous compared to the F1 FAQ
23:04:12 <jsled> But, over that time, it stayed static, while the world changed.
23:04:25 <Tonren> jsled: The plight of many projects, software and non-software.
23:05:18 <warlord> Tonren: how young are you that you saw SVN before CVS?
23:05:26 <Tonren> warlord: I'm 21.
23:05:30 <warlord> *shuvers*
23:05:32 <jsled> Tonren: We should probably rev th documentation to point at the online faq, now that it's 2007 and all.
23:05:59 <warlord> Yeah, the FAQ in the docs are WAY outdated.
23:06:11 <warlord> (they were written before we had the wiki we controlled)
23:06:41 <Tonren> I'm constantly chagrined that the Ubuntu repo dudes separate packages into [package] and [package]-docs.
23:07:05 <warlord> hehe
23:07:13 <Tonren> I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but it's just stupid if the app maintainers don't prepare for it. I spent an HOUR today hitting F1 over and over again on GnuCash, wondering, "Why isn't it DOING anything?"
23:07:46 <Tonren> Maybe that'll be my first patch. A "Hey Ubuntard, try installing the doc package" notice.
23:08:47 <Tonren> prock: If that were the only thing silly about me, I wouldn't have majored in Liberal Arts. ;P
23:09:29 <warlord> LOL
23:09:44 <jsled> [ot] Mmmm. Lobster! http://jwz.livejournal.com/737827.html
23:10:02 <Tonren> warlord: I'm only bringing up Liberal Arts so often because I'm graduating this term, and it's more than a little terrifying.
23:10:06 <Tonren> But also kind of hilarious!
23:10:10 <Tonren> In that "sad clown" sort of way.
23:10:17 <jsled> heh.
23:10:45 <Tonren> Oohhhh... [off] means [off]-TOPIC. Ha - ha, I'm a sharp one, me. Sorry about that guys. I'll adhere to convention, henceforth.
23:11:09 <warlord> actually [off] at the beginning of the line means "turn off logging"
23:11:36 <Tonren> Is that for your own personal log, or is there a bot floating around?
23:11:53 <jsled> see /topic
23:12:32 <Tonren> Great. Now there's a subdirectory on lists.gnucash.org where people can go watch me ramble to myself about Liberal Arts.
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23:13:15 <warlord> LOL
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