2007-02-01 GnuCash IRC logs

00:02:46 <warlord> biab
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00:29:09 <foo> warlord: welcome back
00:29:19 <warlord> thanks.
00:29:58 <foo> ohh, nice.. /me selects stylesheet for invoice
00:30:26 <foo> easy and technicolor are the same
00:30:29 <foo> hmm, anyway to make my own? just curious.
00:32:19 <warlord> SMOP
00:32:31 * warlord has never actually had a stylesheet.
00:33:05 <foo> SMOP?
00:33:48 <warlord> Simple Matter of Programing
00:33:53 <foo> gotcha
00:33:57 <foo> where do I look? any docs on how to do that?
00:35:39 <warlord> Docs?!? HAhahaha
00:35:49 <warlord> Um, take a look at the existing ones.
00:41:30 <foo> haha
00:41:46 <foo> eh, what is lame is that I try to search the docs and it like searchs all of gnome help or something
00:43:29 <foo> ahhh, I see... sweeeet
00:44:25 <warlord> :)
00:45:12 * foo is going to be proud of this
00:45:27 <foo> That is, saying I gave open source a chance and it rocked my world.
00:45:28 <foo> :)
00:48:40 <warlord> :)
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00:53:16 <zevlag> warlord: jsled using MacPorts I still fail compiling audiofile
00:53:45 <zevlag> Building audiofile with target all
00:53:46 <zevlag> Error: Target com.apple.build returned: shell command "cd "/opt/local/var/db/dports/build/_opt_local_var_db_dports_sources_rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports_audio_audiofile/work/audiofile-0.2.6" && make all" returned error 2
00:53:46 <zevlag> Command output: osxplay.c:115: error: 'outputUnit' undeclared (first use in this function)
00:54:01 <zevlag> and then many more
00:55:58 <zevlag> I know this isn't a gnucash error, it's installing as a gnome dependancy, but it's being a show stopper for me
00:56:15 <zevlag> using either fink or acports to install
00:56:22 <warlord> zevlag: I'm afraid I dont know what to tell you other than to contact the macports or fink people about it.
00:56:38 <zevlag> that's what I figured, thanks
00:56:47 <warlord> Sorry I dont have better news
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00:59:09 <foo> warlord: hm, just wondering.. I didn't know there was a mac port for this.. there isn't a windows one by any chance, is there?
01:01:57 <zevlag> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows
01:02:04 <foo> ahh, thanks
01:02:05 <warlord> foo: there is.
01:02:08 <warlord> (unstable(
01:02:09 <warlord> )
01:02:29 <foo> Sweet, thanks
01:02:53 <foo> Hm, when I go to print invoice... then I set options (eg. what columns to show/not show, what stylesheet to use) .. is there anyway I can set this as the default? It doesn't appear to save my settings
01:04:18 <warlord> foo: Read the FAQ
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01:08:04 <foo> warlord: gotcha
01:08:58 <prock_> PING 1170310133 734604
01:09:15 <foo> prock_: ?
01:09:25 <prock_> foo:
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01:10:01 * foo looks for date format.. it shows 01/01/2007.. I don't need the 20 /me looks in help
01:10:22 <warlord> foo: Edit -> Preferences
01:10:38 <foo> ah thanks
01:10:49 <warlord> foo: have you read the docs?
01:11:32 <foo> warlord: a few weeks back, yes. But, back then I was looking more for concepts, not this type of stuff
01:11:35 <foo> I could revisit it for that
01:12:46 <foo> hm, I see 2005 for all the options, not something like 05
01:12:48 <foo> Not too big of a deal
01:13:50 <warlord> Oh, right, because modern locales use 4-digit years.
01:14:05 <foo> ah, I see. So no way to change that?
01:14:51 <warlord> "fix" your locale?
01:14:58 <foo> Hm
01:15:18 <foo> Is that easy? I'm not too familiar with what locale is... other than just the locale time format or something, if I had to guess
01:15:29 <warlord> I have no idea.
01:15:35 <warlord> I'd honestly just say "live with it"
01:15:55 <foo> ok, then I'll do just that. Thanks
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01:57:25 <foo> hm, how can I make an invoice inactive?
01:57:25 <foo> hm
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03:12:24 <owert> I am setting up GNUcash for the first time, I live in a shared house with 4 others and I want to manage my expenditure and money owed to me for the house. would the best way be to have 4 income accounts (for each housemate) and a house expenditure which is divided amongst the house? Or is there a better way of doing this?
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04:13:18 <ceplma> owert: Well, the question is whether you want to keep your budgets together. Unless you are some kind of monastic order or something, then I guess you want to keep four different trees.
04:14:14 <ceplma> owert: not that your idea with 4 income accounts wouldn't work, but how do you account for other non-house related stuff (like your tution loan payments or something)?
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04:19:33 <cstim> .
04:19:33 <gncbot> cstim: Sent 8 hours and 2 minutes ago: <andi5> do you think we can add -mms-bitfields to CFLAGS in configure.in or will that make problems? ... (we need it in app-utils/test; -mms-bitfields comes from gtk+-2.0.pc---all packages that depend on gtk have it too, of course)
04:21:27 <cstim> @tell andi5 re CFLAGS: sure. We can add this at configure.in:2042, and while we're at it, we can test LDFLAGS="-mwindows" as well and see whether this makes the DOS window go away
04:21:27 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
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04:25:38 <sishen> Hi, guys. I want to ask a question. What's the related code about the input of 'Description' field in one of the entry such as 'Cash in wallet'?
04:25:41 <sishen> thx
04:26:13 <cstim> @tell andi5 re pow.h: since warlord didn't like the filename, this could just as well be called gnc-math.h (as an extension of <math.h>)...
04:26:13 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
04:26:33 <cstim> sishen: I don't understand the question; what do you mean by "the related code"?
04:26:55 <sishen> the gnucash code
04:27:08 <sishen> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399351
04:27:35 <sishen> i want to read the related code and try my best to solve the problem.
04:29:56 <cstim> ohhh. Very brave :-) ! You want to now which parts of the source code are related to the input widget of the "description" field in the register window.
04:30:35 <cstim> First of all, this is all somewhere in the "register" code, all below src/register/
04:31:26 <cstim> I don't know much else about this part of the source code. The GUI widget parts are obviously below src/register/register-gnome/
04:32:21 <cstim> sishen: Wait until the U.S. developers return here; they might be able to point you to a place that might need to be fixed for the Chinese Input methods. They arrive approx. 5-6 hours from now.
04:32:36 <sishen> thx.
04:32:45 <sishen> :-)
05:02:20 <owert> ceplma: if expenses are made for the house, it gets split 5 ways and people pay that. if expenses are made for a specific person, then that person would pay that amount plus the common split.
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05:08:12 <owert> ceplma: other non-house related stuff is just put separately in my personal expense, and nothing todo with the house
05:08:47 <ceplma> k
05:11:05 <owert> from that, what would you think the best way of doing that would be?
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05:12:11 <ceplma> owert: the question I have is a) whether you are already user of GNUCash?, b) whether you want to manage with it your whole personal accounting (plus this acutal issue of house management)?
05:12:49 <ceplma> if the answer to both questions is NO, than I think some spreadsheet in Excel/OOWriter/Gnumeric/whatever may serve you better.
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05:18:50 <cstim> owert: personally, I'd rather suggest you should add a separate Asset:House_account account where each of the 5 people insert a monthly fee. Then the house's expenses are paid from that account.
05:19:20 <cstim> you can then adjust the monthly fee according to the amount actually spent.
05:19:31 <cstim> ("fee" might not be the right wording.)
05:20:05 <owert> ceplma: actually, im using a spreadsheet at the moment, but it is getting a but messy (maybe thats a pooly setup spreadsheet)
05:20:36 <owert> ceplma: so basically im starting fresh, just thinking that this might prove to be a more neat solution
05:20:43 <ceplma> owert: cstim probably has a point.
05:21:26 <owert> fair enough
05:22:09 <owert> basically, i should have an asset, an expense and an income account?
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05:30:50 <cstim> owert: one asset account ("House"), all of your different expense accounts, and an income account for each of the housemates.
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05:40:31 <owert> ceplma, cstim: thanks for the help
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08:47:30 <cstim> I propose to add a file ChangeLog.2006 to trunk, and have it generated by the ChangeLog.svn rule (r15286:12229). Question: should it include the changes for the full repository (resulting file is 850KB) or only for trunk (resulting file is 470KB)?
08:47:56 <cstim> (maybe I should send this to -devel? Nah, too lazy...)
08:48:12 <jsled> I'd say all branches that were committed to trunk, or just all branches if it's easier.
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08:51:36 <warlord> Yeah, I think that's fine.
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09:20:39 <cstim> all branches is definitely easier, because otherwise you need all branches except branch-2.0
09:21:30 <cstim> The existing "ChangeLog" contains a subset of trunk changes. I'd propose to just throw it away, since all of these changes will be contained in the generated ChangeLog.2006
09:22:15 <warlord> cstim: please dont throw it away.. The contents of the ChangeLog might not match the contents of the SVN logs.
09:22:21 <jsled> aye
09:23:08 <cstim> well, I'll first add the generated ChangeLog.2006 to svn. But what do we do with the manually created ChangeLog...
09:23:40 <jsled> Only the content; we could backfill the svn:log messages with the content from the ChangeLog, then generate it back out.
09:23:52 <jsled> But we'd need to make the message timestamps to commits, which'll suck.
09:24:19 <hampton> rename it to ChangeLog.2006.manual?
09:24:34 <jsled> or that. :)
09:26:08 <cstim> well, chris' ChangeLog messages are already taken from the svn commit messages.
09:26:58 <warlord> I was thinking that once we hit the 2.1/2.2 release, we'd stop using manual ChangeLog entries for everything but the "release branch"
09:27:19 <warlord> but we still do have a mix of them between 2.0 and then
09:27:58 <cstim> warlord: as I see it, we *already* stopped manual ChangeLog entries for everything by the 2.0 branch.
09:28:11 <cstim> just look into trunk's ChangeLog.
09:28:43 <warlord> cstim: yes, but there are still manual entries from the period that we shouldn't lose.
09:29:47 <cstim> Can you find out *any* entry in the manual ChangeLog that isn't in the svn commit messages? Just from checking my own entries from January 2006, I've clearly re-used the commit messages in the manual ChangeLog. For my commits, the manual ChangeLog doesn't contain more information than the svn commit messages
09:30:03 <cstim> so there isn't anything to loose for my commits. And chris' commits. For anyone's commits?
09:31:27 <warlord> Maybe mine.
09:31:31 <jsled> That's the question, yes.
09:32:04 <warlord> If you're willing to go through the ChangeLog and compare to the generated ChangeLog.2006.....
09:32:20 <cstim> hehe
09:32:53 <cstim> warlord: I claim that *all* manual text is also in the svn commit message. You only need to find *one* counterexample to show my claim is erroneous :-)
09:36:37 <cstim> also note that in the manual ChangeLog, the second half of the year fills only 10% of the file, whereas in the automated one, it (expectedly) fills 50% of the file.
09:37:51 <warlord> Yeah, we started tapering off manual ChangeLog entries late in 2006
09:38:04 <warlord> (which made 2.0 backports MUCH easier!)
09:38:15 <cstim> easier is good :-)
09:40:32 <warlord> Aha! Found one!
09:40:46 <warlord> 2006-06-01
09:43:06 <warlord> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/14296
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09:43:17 <warlord> The ChangeLog entry doesn't match the svn log message
09:43:40 <cstim> yes. the manual entry is somewhat more detailed.
09:44:21 * warlord nods
09:44:32 <warlord> I knew I used to do that sometimes!
09:44:42 <cstim> however, the svn commit message describes it on a more abstract level?!? I'd have expected it the other way round.
09:45:09 <cstim> ok. we know now *you* did that sometimes.
09:45:23 <warlord> Yeah. :)
09:45:30 <warlord> But I've stopped making ChangeLog entries.
09:48:23 <foo> hm, so I read the fact on how to edit default print options. /usr/local/share/gnucash/scm/printing/print-check.scm - when I edit this, I don't seem to see anything about stylesheet. I know the FAQ said to edit "stock-check-formats", basically I want it to save the stylesheet, what columns I want to display, and the footer message.
09:50:06 <warlord> foo: print-check has nothing to do with stylesheets.
09:50:52 <foo> hm, ok. :) That explains why I couldn't find it
09:51:58 <warlord> print-check is, well, check printing!
09:52:07 <foo> :P
09:52:10 <foo> I see
09:52:42 <foo> So, is there a way to do this? Or not really?
09:53:39 <warlord> What is "this"?
09:55:25 <foo> set the default stylesheet when printing, and the tabs to show, and the footer message
09:56:08 <warlord> when printing /what/?
09:57:16 <warlord> There is no way to set the "default" stylesheet.. You have to manually set the stylesheet on a report after you instantiate it.
09:58:01 <warlord> Then, once you configure the report how you want it, you can change the name of the report and then save it. Then you can use that newly-saved "Custom" report instead of the default one and it will remember your settings.
09:58:14 <foo> customer invoices, my bad
09:58:33 <warlord> My statement still stands.
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10:02:23 <sishen> hi, guys. Need help, thx. pls see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399351 . I want to know the related source code about it. I hope i can help. Any suggestion?
10:03:04 <warlord> sishen: see my reply
10:03:07 <warlord> (to the bug)
10:04:23 <sishen> yes. i see it. Not only the description field. in fact, all the input field in that kind of page.
10:05:28 <sishen> Just as the description of the bug, I can input chinese in the transfer dialog. And the input activity suach as changing the name of the account is also works.
10:14:48 <warlord> Yeah, the problem, most likely, is the register itself.
10:14:57 <warlord> The register code is rather..... archaic.
10:15:09 <cstim> warlord: sishen already asked this ~7h ago...
10:15:20 <warlord> cstim: Yes, I know. I saw.
10:15:30 <cstim> ok
10:17:18 <sishen> hi, warload. You mean the register code is not updated in the new version?
10:17:20 <warlord> sishen: you might want to try the register-rewrite branch to make sure it works with the new register.. The current register uses a hidden GtkEntry, but it's rather... strange. Maybe hampton could better explain how it works. But the code in question is in register-gnome.
10:18:07 <warlord> It's only been updated to use gtk2 widgets instead of gtk1 widgets, but the basic code using its own Canvas has not changed..
10:18:22 <warlord> So it doesn't really get the gtk-atk support.
10:20:28 <warlord> cstim: what script did you use to generate that ChangeLog?
10:20:40 <cstim> win32 on make check in src/engine/test needs src/backend/file in --library-dir
10:21:06 <cstim> warlord: the ChangeLog.svn rule in the Makefile with the revision numbers manually adapted
10:21:32 <sishen> warload: if i just replace the register-gnome with the register-rewrite branch, does that work? Maybe i can try.
10:21:57 <warlord> cstim: src/engine/test CANT depend on src/backend/file; src/engine/test exists earlier in the build
10:22:39 <warlord> sishen: register-gnome is a directory. register-rewrite is a subversion branch. So no, you can't just "replace" it.
10:22:45 <cstim> sishen: do you know svn? Because you don't "replace" one directory with a branch.
10:22:57 <warlord> I suspect the short answer is "no, 2.0 isn't going to do what you want, and it's unlikely that 2.2 will, either"
10:23:24 <jsled> cstim: you can, I believe. Still generally not a good idea.
10:23:26 <sishen> sorry, my network is poor. so now i don't open the branches directory in the trac.
10:23:52 <cstim> sishen: if you want to try the register-rewrite branch, you need to do svn checkout http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/branches/register-rewrite
10:24:04 <sishen> let me see the register-rewrite brancher first.
10:24:17 <cstim> sishen: which will give you a full working copy of the register-rewrite branch. Then you can compile and try it.
10:24:18 <sishen> i have a misunderstanding with it, :(
10:25:40 <warlord> sishen: what don't you understand?
10:25:54 <cstim> warlord: but when I run make check in engine/test, I get the error message "libgnc-backend-file-utils-0.dll not found"
10:26:20 <cstim> when test-create-account is to be run.
10:26:28 <warlord> cstim: is that a fatal error? It shouldn't be.
10:26:43 <cstim> no, it's not a fatal error.
10:27:02 <cstim> annoying nevertheless, because the check stops until I've clicked away the error dialog.
10:27:23 <warlord> Why is it popping up an error dialog?
10:27:38 <sishen> warload: i make a mistake that i think register-rewrite branches is the rewrite branches only for register directory. :(
10:28:06 <cstim> warlord: because that's what happens on win32 if a DLL is requested but not being found in PATH
10:28:32 <warlord> That seems broken!
10:31:40 <cstim> heh. you tell MS.
10:32:53 <warlord> There's got to be a way to dynamically load and not pop up a warning on failure!
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10:33:06 <warlord> Otherwise how do plugins work?
10:33:46 <cstim> that's right. When we load plugins (like gncmod-hbci) and the DLL doesn't exist, we simply get a gnc:warn message but *not* a dialog.
10:34:09 <cstim> a dialog pops up usually when a DLL should be loaded by linker-time dependency.
10:34:14 <MrN> hi
10:35:58 <warlord> there CANT be a linker-time dependency on libgnc-backends-file-utils; that's built after "engine".
10:36:22 <warlord> Unless there's a circular dependency somewhere, which should get fixed.
10:37:44 <cstim> warlord: the error comes at test-create-account, which (in scheme) calls gnc:module-system-init and gnc:module-load "gnucash/engine"
10:38:47 <warlord> ... neither of which should load the backend.
10:38:51 <cstim> hm... if I remove the installation prefix...
10:39:42 <cstim> but doesn't gnc:module-system-init dlopen() all shared objects it can find in the libdir?
10:40:02 <cstim> right. that's it. The dialog doesn't appear if $prefix is empty.
10:40:12 <cstim> (the installation $prefix, that is.)
10:41:18 <sishen> warload: what's the activity of the register-rewrite branch?
10:42:05 <warlord> sishen: lately, none. it's languished, looking for a developer to finish it.
10:42:51 <warlord> cstim: Oh, so the module-system-init is finding the (installed) module and trying to load it, but failing because that module's dependent .dll is missing..
10:43:13 <cstim> warlord: yes
10:43:32 <warlord> Hmm... I'm not sure what to do about that..
10:44:53 <sishen> i hope i can make some effort, :) The work is to rewrite the source code in register-gnome, isn't it?
10:46:39 <warlord> sishen: I dont know what chris did in that branch.
10:46:54 <warlord> I think it's mostly to make most of "register" obsolete, not just register-gnome
10:51:15 <warlord> gotta run for a bit..
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10:52:00 <cstim> sishen: the last real work at register-rewrite happened in July 2006.
10:54:08 <sishen> En. I c. Maybe i can contact with chris for some help, :) Thx all.
10:55:25 <cstim> sishen: there was an email thread about "the status of register-rewrite" on -devel
10:55:40 <cstim> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2006-July/018240.html
11:04:50 <cstim> @tell andi5 make check fails 1 test in backend/file here: test-real-data.sh has FAILURE test_real_commodity: 220 namespaces differ
11:04:50 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
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11:22:04 <cstim> @tell andi5 and in src/app-utils I still have 1 of 6 tests failed: test-print-parse-amount.
11:22:04 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
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11:23:26 <chris> sishen: I don't have any significant time for register-rewrite in the immediate future, but I can answer occasional questions, and Id love to see someone at least looking at it.
11:24:16 <sishen> ok. thx.
11:37:02 <chris> sishen: one hint: you can open up the same account in both the old and new registers at the same time (in different tabs) by double clicking the account from the normal account-tree and the budget account-tree.
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12:01:43 <warlord-afk> Oooh, FC7t1 was released today
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14:20:44 <moonsail> Anyone here from Germany?
14:22:23 <moonsail> I've a question on gnucash and HBCI
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14:41:06 <foo> moonsail: Just ask your question..
14:44:43 <moonsail> ok. it seems that gnucash had a problem with some itmes of the account getting the items through HBCI. example: i get my account information on 30th Jan in the morning. next time for getting the info is 31th jan. then an itme from 30th jan in the afternoon is not booked correctly in my gnuCash account. the workaround is to mark this item, to "new" after the HBCI Dialog. i'm using Gnucash 2.0.4
14:46:00 <moonsail> GnuCash is thinking that this is an old item
14:55:11 <moonsail> which already booked in GnuCash
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16:13:13 <warlord> moonsail: I suggest asking on gnucash-devel or gnucash-de mailing lists.
16:21:53 <moonsail> warlord: ok i'll ask, thanks
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18:03:47 <andi5> Q: should not nearly every gnc_register_gui_component call be followed by gnc_gui_component_set_session? .... i do not see a lot of those
18:06:48 <warlord> Ummm.....
18:06:56 <warlord> I dont think so.
18:07:03 <warlord> But i haven't looked at those APIs in a long time
18:07:52 <andi5> i was shocked when i debugged gnc_close_gui_component_by_session and _no_ close_handler was called
18:08:54 <andi5> i am not sure as well.... maybe hampton has an idea :)
18:10:58 <warlord> Perhaps the register_gui_component() API should take a session? Or it can derive the session from the object?
18:11:55 <andi5> actually i would have expected the primer to be true...
18:12:33 <andi5> besides, i propose http://pastebin.ca/raw/336302 .... i belongs to some bug i cannot find right now.... maybe other dialogs / pages are affected as well, that is why i ask
18:16:23 <andi5> ah, it is bug #394074
18:17:01 <andi5> well, i have to leave.... see you
18:17:25 <warlord> andi5: why the new API?
18:18:19 <andi5> oh, no new api, i have removed one totally unused function
18:18:42 <warlord> Oh, sorry, you REMOVED an API.
18:18:51 <warlord> I think I need to put down the laptop and step away from the computer!
18:18:52 <warlord> ;)
18:18:57 <warlord> Yeah, I think that's probably fine.
18:19:04 <andi5> hehe =)
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20:49:04 <nbinont> Hi! I've got somewhat of a silly question...I have built and installed gnucash trunk about a month ago. Should I uninstall it before installing a newer build, or does it matter?
20:50:33 <jsled> nbinont: installed it manually?
20:50:51 <jsled> i.e., not using a package mangement system?
20:50:56 <jsled> And into /usr or /usr/local/?
20:51:34 <jsled> You should really uninstall it, just to be sure. Btu if you're just replacing svn from a month ago with svn from now ... I don't think it'll matter.
20:51:49 <jsled> But, do yourself a favor, and either use something like gnu stow, or install into /opt/gnc-unstable/ or something.
20:52:10 <jsled> Then you can just blow the directory away, not interfere with a stable install, &c.
20:52:55 * warlord likes to run rm -rf /opt/gnucash-svk periodically...
21:00:28 <nbinont> Ok, thanks. I'll uninstall first
21:01:25 <nbinont> As for why I'm not using a package manager...well, I'm on windows
21:02:17 <jsled> Ah, well. So is it all in c:\program files
21:02:23 <jsled> [...]\gnucash or something?>
21:03:28 <jsled> [ot] http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html is pretty godo.
21:03:30 <jsled> good, even.
21:05:22 <nbinont> yah...I assume I put it there...though I already uninstalled
21:10:13 <nbinont> grr...somehow I screwed up the packaging. It's missing regex.dll.
21:13:41 <nbinont> anyone know how gnucash.iss gets updated/generated on windows? I think that could be my problem
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21:30:33 <jsled> nbinont = Nathan Buchanan, from gnucash-devel. Got it. :) No problem re: the silent data loss thing ... I didn't mean to make you feel like you should apologize.
21:41:45 <nbinont> yep
21:42:13 <nbinont> np :) I'm somewhat new
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