2007-01-31 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:55:36 <cstim> hi warlord
08:57:57 <warlord> good morning
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10:16:32 <cstim> warlord: how did you upload images for a wiki page, like those http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2 ? Did David send these to you by email, or was there any more automated way of uploading these?
10:17:50 <warlord> He sent them to me by email.
10:20:30 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Special:Upload :(
10:22:55 <warlord> jsled: yeah, it's disabled because I didn't want to have to figure out the security implications.. So it was easier to just disable it.
10:23:16 <warlord> When we need images I can upload them by hand, or put them into SVN..
10:23:19 <jsled> Yeah, that sounds right actually.
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10:25:04 <warlord> It also saves us from having to worry about image-spam on the wiki.
10:27:13 <prock> I'm not quite grasping twunder's concern with the SX projection report... the worst thing I can see happening when it encounters a formula is to do the same thing that happens now when the SLR comes across one.
10:28:00 <cstim> warlord: ok.
10:28:31 <jsled> prock: right now it prompt the user for every variable binding for every instance.
10:28:51 <jsled> prock: If you're projecting out a daily SX for 1 year, that's 365 things to enter.
10:29:05 <jsled> (for only one variable)
10:29:08 <prock> ah
10:29:28 <jsled> Even a monthly SX, that's still 12 (* num_vars * num_sxes) things.
10:29:54 <prock> yes, then there would have to be some sort of estimate field on the preferences for the report
10:30:08 <prock> on in the sx itself
10:30:18 <jsled> yeah, it might be better on the SX; this has come up before.
10:30:37 <twunder> can't an estimate flag /replace/ variables?
10:30:53 <jsled> twunder: hmm?
10:30:55 * cstim added note to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Talk:GnuCash
10:31:52 <twunder> currently, aren't variables identified by the fact that they're text and not numbers, or a formula?
10:32:11 <jsled> well, the formula part is separate, but yes.
10:32:37 <twunder> well, instead of making variables be text, let the user enter a /number/ and flag it as variable
10:32:42 <jsled> a convention might be something like "variable:<estimated_value>" or something.
10:32:55 <jsled> But I'd really like to rewrite the expression parser before introducing new expression syntax.
10:36:57 * hampton waves
10:37:20 <cstim> hey hampton
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11:22:54 <andi5> hiho cstim
11:24:16 <cstim> hi andi5
11:24:35 <andi5> how is your gnucash win32 build going?
11:24:42 <cstim> is taking forever.
11:24:46 <andi5> hehe
11:25:00 <prock> how big is the installer once packaged?
11:25:15 <cstim> prock: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=192&package_id=5582
11:25:22 <andi5> 30mb, containing everything needed to run gnucash, included the os ;-)
11:25:46 <cstim> os, haha
11:25:49 <prock> I'd like to eventually see a mac version packaged in a mac-ish way.
11:26:32 <andi5> cstim: i need some help, do you a win32 src/app-utils/test directory to run "make check"?
11:28:01 <cstim> andi5: takes some time.
11:28:13 <andi5> ok.... are you interested in details? :)
11:28:50 <cstim> err... no, not now :-)
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11:29:02 <andi5> oook =)
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11:30:11 <cstim> does app-utils build before or after gnome-utils?
11:30:18 <andi5> before
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11:31:36 <ALF> hi all
11:31:56 <andi5> http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=192&ugn=gnucash&type=prdownload&mode=12months&package_id=0 looks interesting bt
11:33:20 <cstim> what happened in July 2006?
11:33:25 <andi5> 2.0?
11:33:41 <ALF> can anybody help me with IrDA?
11:34:23 <cstim> andi5: yes, indeed.
11:34:49 <jsled> ALF: IrDA? This channel is about GnuCash, a personal finance application.
11:35:14 <ALF> ups, sorry, I thought about linux
11:35:41 <jsled> uh, why? how?
11:35:59 <ALF> GNU...
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11:36:29 <andi5> gnu != linux, contact www.fsf.org, if you are unsure
11:36:53 <jsled> ALF: wow, okay. you might try <irc://irc.freenode.net/#linux>.
11:36:55 <andi5> (!= meaning "is not")
11:37:07 <jsled> Or a channel specific to your distro.
11:37:15 <ALF> i know, but gnu gpl and copyleft are synonimous. I know C++
11:37:32 <andi5> and where is the link to linux?
11:37:34 <ALF> and != too )))
11:37:56 <[PV]Tilda> Hi there, quick question, my grandfather for some reason has installed linux and Gnucash, however he still dosn't get much of windows or linux. We're thinking of restricting him to windows. The only thing he uses linux for is Gnucash, is it possible to convert whatever file Gnucash saves its information as, into a file some windows program can use?
11:38:51 <andi5> (gnucash has a windows port, still claimed to be unstable, but in-progress)
11:39:06 <ALF> bye all
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11:39:40 <[PV]Tilda> I saw, does claimed means it will generally run ok? :p or in that, I shouldn't put a beginner user near it until its finished? :)
11:39:55 <cstim> [PV]Tilda: gnucash-on-windows is in the works, but is not yet grandfather-safe for 4-5 months to come.
11:40:15 <[PV]Tilda> ok, thats great, thanks cstim, will check back in a few months then ;) cheers :D
11:40:33 <andi5> lol... does it get it "grandfather proven" sticker then?
11:40:34 <cstim> [PV]Tilda: once it's done, you can move the data file between win and linux as you like.
11:40:43 <[PV]Tilda> ok, cool
11:40:50 <andi5> [PV]Tilda: watch out for gnucash 2.2
11:40:58 <[PV]Tilda> righto
11:41:18 <[PV]Tilda> cheers, and bye :)
11:41:20 <cstim> andi5: dunno... do you have a grandfather to audit this? I don't :-)
11:41:34 <andi5> hm.... did we actually answer your question?
11:41:38 <[PV]Tilda> yeah
11:41:42 <andi5> oook :)
11:41:46 <[PV]Tilda> well, provided a workaround ^^
11:41:52 <[PV]Tilda> wait 4-5 months :)
11:41:52 <jsled> Get the Linux Grandfathers Consortium on it!
11:42:10 <andi5> no, they probably do not know what a "start button" is...
11:42:23 <cstim> andi5: make check is building in (win32) gnc-module...
11:42:55 <andi5> cool.... it should pass almost everything except src/engine (one pending patch) and src/app-utils
11:44:07 <[PV]Tilda> anyway, thanks for the help guys, gl :)
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11:45:07 <andi5> cstim: nice script, can we use that before running "make install"?
11:45:43 <cstim> in the wiki? sure, we can. Should make it easier to track down the obnoxious "error 1" on make install.
11:46:03 <cstim> win32 r15480 uploaded.
11:46:39 <andi5> nice
11:47:14 * andi5 will go download,.... first time ever
11:51:04 <andi5> cstim: i think(!) translations make a rather big part of the total setup size, do you think we should ... split them up, strip them, do anything?
11:52:17 <cstim> andi5: I'm not so sure. In compressed form, I don't think they are more than 2-3 MB, so overall the size doesn't give much gain.
11:53:59 <cstim> but first of all I'm way too lazy to change the gnucash.iss file to package the translations separately, because that would mean: package $libdir/locale into translation subpackage, but for all other files you need to specify them literally (no wildcards possible)
11:54:18 <cstim> ok. make check in app-utils ran. What do you want to know?
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11:54:26 <andi5> does it fail?
11:54:41 <cstim> 1 of 6 tests failed
11:54:47 <cstim> Executed 10528 tests. There were 30 failures.
11:54:48 <cstim> FAIL: test-print-parse-amount
11:55:20 <MrN> hi
11:55:34 <andi5> ok, ... could you get into test-print-parse-amount with gdb? ... one way is to edit build/src/app-utils/test/Makefile and insert gdb into the line using TEST_ENVIRONMENT
11:55:34 <cstim> and a dialog box "libgnc-backend-file-utils-0.dll was not found in PATH", 3 times.
11:55:46 <andi5> oooh?
11:56:10 <cstim> no, sorry, I need to run in a few minutes. No gdb today anymore.
11:56:40 <andi5> too bad.... but here is the story.... open the test in gdb, break at xaccPrintAmount
11:57:03 <andi5> go up and analyze print_info, ... sizeof(print_info) says 8 (bits), use_symbol is 0
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11:57:35 <andi5> now "f 0" back, ..sizeof(info) is 12 (bytes, i am sorry), use_symbol is 1 (and other stuff incorrect too)
11:58:42 <andi5> we copy the xaccPrintAmountInfo struct by value.... it contains a bitfield (or is one) and somehow gcc garbles it
11:59:03 <andi5> maybe related to -mms-bitfields, i simply do not know
11:59:28 <warlord> prock: packing for the mac in a macish way would be... challenging... because we'd have to also package X along with it!
12:01:35 <cstim> andi5: ok, break at xaccPrintAmount
12:01:36 <prock> warlord: it may be fair to list X as a requirement given that it's already packaged for the Mac.
12:03:39 <cstim> andi5: sizeof(info) is 12 too, but use_symbol is 0 just as in frame #1
12:04:08 <andi5> hm.... all other fields are correct too?
12:04:12 <cstim> andi5: OTOH other data fields are wrong
12:04:12 <warlord> prock: well, feel free to donate the glue to turn a MacPorts gnucash installation into a .dmg installer.
12:04:19 <cstim> gotta run.
12:04:19 <andi5> lol
12:04:24 <andi5> cstim: ok, thanks so far!
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12:04:37 <prock> warlord: yes I'll probably end up doing that before too long
12:05:12 <prock> except right now all I've got is my mini and it's just plain too slow to do any development on. GnuCash would take hours to build
12:05:13 <warlord> Great! I look forward to the patch.
12:05:34 <warlord> prock: it takes hours to build on ANY mac..
12:05:54 <prock> one day I'll have my 8 core mac pro...
12:07:48 <jsled> prock: speaking of patches, I'll look through yours later; I skimmed through it earlier, and didn't really see a reason to not commit it, though maybe on a branch...
12:08:21 <jsled> ...(as it's still part of a larger work in progress)
12:09:06 * andi5 holds breath and checks whether the tests are made with -mms-bitfields
12:10:58 <prock> jsled: ok sounds great, tnx
12:11:17 <jsled> prock: what do you think re: the branch? Would you rather do that, or work on trunk?
12:19:02 <prock> jsled: as I have no write access to the repository it's really up to you. I am already versioning my work locally so...
12:19:26 * andi5 shortly gasps for breath, because things seem to look a bit better now
12:20:04 <prock> jsled: I don't see the patch as being a WIP, which IMHO means it could go on trunk if you are ok with it going out with the next release.
12:23:16 <warlord> andi5: cool! What did you have to change?
12:23:30 <andi5> compile the test with -mms-bitfields
12:23:50 <andi5> still a lot of errors, but the first is solved
12:23:54 <warlord> Just the test? Or other code, too? Does that mean we need to compile with that
12:24:05 <andi5> oh, and that is the first bug that WILL affect all users
12:24:15 <andi5> oh, so not
12:24:19 <andi5> damn, i was so lucky ;-)
12:25:25 <andi5> i will take a look, but -mms-bitfields is in quite a lot of CFLAGS, but this directory did not make use of them.... details in some patch that will come later...maybe tomorrow
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12:28:00 <warlord> andi5: okay
12:31:36 <andi5> warlord: where can i globally write about the "correct" usage of pow, i.e. first save the return value in a double, _then_ convert or use for other calculations? ... and should i make a macro POW or so?
12:32:35 <andi5> i just found the source of the other problems in src/app-utils (somehow i must have overlooked app-utils in my grep for pow)
12:32:54 <warlord> andi5: I dont understand, what do you mean about the "correct" usage?
12:35:37 <andi5> warlord: there is a problem with careless usage of pow on windows, http://pastebin.ca/raw/334495 really describes it best
12:36:37 <warlord> You pointed me to that comment block before, but I dont understand how we're using pow() poorly in GnuCash.
12:36:55 <andi5> no, we do not use it poorly, we just need a workaround for this problem on windows
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12:37:50 <andi5> is there a way to use an own pow() implementation (maybe as macro) that uses the msvcrt pow function?
12:37:52 <warlord> well, where do we use pow() in gnucash?
12:38:11 <warlord> #define POW(a,b) ... ?
12:38:17 <warlord> Where are we using POW?
12:38:39 <andi5> in PrintAmountInternal, gnc_numeric_div, in src/calculation and gnome-utils too
12:38:56 <andi5> we do not use POW at all
12:39:02 <paolob> hi guys, I have a custom report "foo" and I want to remove it. When opening gnucash a messagge box tells me: "A custom report with this name already exists. Either rename the report to store it with a different name, or edit your saved-reports file and delete the section with the following name: foo". How do I remove it? thank you!
12:39:50 <andi5> ah.... i am so dumb..... i could just single-case these instructions on windows
12:40:03 * andi5 does not like #ifdef blocks
12:40:19 <warlord> paolob: edit your ~/.gnucash/saved-reports file
12:40:30 <warlord> (while gnucash is not running)
12:41:10 <andi5> but well, they will still work on linux after my change... (i.e. replace guint mypow = (guint) pow(10,2) .... by .... gdouble dpow = pow(10, 2); guint mypow = dpow;)
12:41:29 <paolob> warlord, ok, it's /.gnucash/saved-reports-2.0. Can I safely delete it?
12:42:20 <warlord> if you delete that it will delete ALL your saved reports.
12:42:33 <paolob> warlord, ok, thank you!
12:43:28 <paolob> bye all, and congratulations for all the stuff!
12:46:23 <andi5> warlord: the alternative is to restrict the fpu to 53bit mantissa in gnucash-bin.c ..... i do not really know which one is better and how to do it right :) .... the latter does not affect the way we use pow, but precision might/will go down
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12:48:06 <warlord> paolob: thanks
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12:48:24 <warlord> andi5: no, I think using the extra register/variable is probably better.
12:51:30 <andi5> using an inline function, a macro or doing directly (i would prefer the last one, but would need a place to drop the pastebin snippet somewhere)
12:53:56 <warlord> Pick a header.
12:55:00 <andi5> Executed 10470 tests. All tests passed. that is what i wanted to see
12:55:44 <warlord> :)
12:56:15 <andi5> what do you mean by "a header"? ... i am sorry, this is a trivial issue but i do not want to mess things up :)
13:02:21 <prock> is the windows development happening on trunk or on a branch?
13:02:30 <andi5> trunk
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13:06:03 <warlord> andi5: I mean exactly that.. pick some header (or make a new one) and put it in there. I'd maybe put it into something in lib/libqof/
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14:39:43 <andi5> warlord: ok, http://pastebin.ca/raw/334627 seems to work (make check should pass all dirs now) .... (starting a recompile of gnucash) .... do you think that is ok?
14:40:13 <andi5> s,2006,2007,
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14:42:01 <warlord> andi5|afk: I'd just move that code into libqof/qof/gnc-numeric.h directly and forego "pow.h"
14:43:48 <warlord> But maybe what you have is okay. Maybe chris or jsled or hampton could pipe in?
14:43:52 <andi5|afk> (nearly afk ;-)) that would mean that src/calculation/fin.c must include gnc-numeric.h.... actually i think lib/libc is a good place, because pow on linux _is_ a libc function
14:44:35 <andi5|afk> oh, i will have to patch two other files then, but that is trivial
14:44:59 <andi5|afk> (i forgot them)
14:45:25 <jsled> yeah, seems fine as is, I guess.
14:45:44 <jsled> Seems like a whole lotta trouble to work aroudn the fact that windows is broken, but so it goes.
14:49:05 <warlord> I guess 'pow.h' is okay.. I'm just not keen on the name of the file.
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15:03:40 <prock> is there documentation on variables in transactions?
15:04:35 <jsled> prock: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_variables_and_formula_in_scheduled_transactions.3F
15:05:07 <prock> hmm that looks promising
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15:39:57 <andi5> ok.... i will try to get that change in tomorrow evening.... drop me notes about what you want :)
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15:42:28 <hampton> lib/libc sounds like the right place for the pow() function.
15:43:50 <warlord> @tell andi5 <hampton> lib/libc sounds like the right place for the pow() function.
15:43:50 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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17:37:05 <warlord> BIAB
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17:49:02 <AlonzoTG> om
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19:41:26 <andi5> based on the number of bugs filed each week, i want to ask what you think about declaring some hours the week as "bug day", i.e. time dev and testing guys try to meet here and tackle bugs..... i do not think there is the necessity to (over)regulate how this might actually look like.... but more better is better than less for at least the following: assign bugs, tackle difficult bugs, test fixes & workarounds, generally reviewing & commenting bu
19:42:13 <jsled> andi5: Sounds good; I've thought about the same.
19:42:39 <jsled> I think it (read: "we" (read: "I")) might be best to do it on a weekend, in the morning EST.
19:43:02 <jsled> I can't really justify doing during my work hours.
19:44:31 <andi5> yep.... from my point of view everything that is not (morning & weekday) or (late evening) for you, is ok
19:44:50 <jsled> I like the morning, cause then you can be here. :)
19:45:09 <andi5> ok, some days are better and worse, but if i everybody says one day, what is the chance this day will be the same for all ;-)
19:45:38 <andi5> jsled: at the weekend, yes
19:47:38 <andi5> let us see what the others have to say :)
19:49:22 <jsled> Yeah, I could see doing it monthly, even.
19:50:19 <andi5> yeah, i definitely think it should be done regularly
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19:53:02 <warlord> I'll see what I can do about finding time, but my schedule isn't always regular enough.
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19:59:11 <foo> Hm, when I post an invoice.. it says: Post to Account ... that's basically the account the money is coming from, right?
19:59:14 * foo looks through help
19:59:54 <foo> eh, I can't seem to just search the gnucash help.. it searches all the gnome help.
20:00:09 <warlord> foo: no, that's the A/R account.
20:00:22 <warlord> (where the money 'waiting' until it's paid)
20:02:34 <foo> Liabilities:Accounts Payable.. yeah, that's the default, I see.
20:03:06 <warlord> Right
20:03:22 <warlord> (sorry, I assumed you meant Customer Invoice)
20:04:00 <foo> oh, nah, it's ok :)
20:04:26 <foo> But, for example, this was a vendor bill from something I bought on newegg.
20:04:55 <foo> Newegg charges me right away for it ... it's not waiting to be paid or anything like that.
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20:05:03 <foo> hm, unless that means from the client who I needed to purchase for?
20:05:05 * foo scratches head
20:06:57 <zevlag> Do any of you have experience getting gnucash to work on OSX 10.4?
20:07:03 <zevlag> intel
20:07:52 <foo> zevlag: Ask your question...
20:09:20 <zevlag> well, I had 2.0.0 compiled and it would launch just fins, but crash when bring the registers screen up, then I realized that 2.0.4 was availalble, and now I am just having problems getting it to compile
20:09:27 <warlord> foo: in that case, skip the Vendor Bill and just xfer from Expenses:blah to Liability:CreditCard
20:09:31 <zevlag> I think I just want to remove fink and everything, and restart
20:09:47 <zevlag> I was just looking for someone that I could turn to when I have a question
20:09:58 <andi5> apropos 2.0.4.... any news from wilddev?
20:10:00 <warlord> zevlag: fink or Macports?
20:10:08 <zevlag> Fink
20:10:10 <warlord> andi5: I've received no responses to my email.
20:10:19 <andi5> :(
20:10:23 <warlord> zevlag: Are you using the fully up-to-date "unstable" fink?
20:10:32 <warlord> I dont know if the cell# I have for him is still valid.
20:10:35 <zevlag> I intended to be
20:11:10 <zevlag> so, yes, I did run update and all
20:11:30 <foo> warlord: ah, ok. So I don't make a bill for something like this? Just make an fund transfer?
20:11:33 <foo> hm
20:12:15 <warlord> zevlag: I dont have a MacIntel, only a PPC.. And I use MacPorts.. I know MacPorts works on Intel.. I dont know about Fink. You might want to ask on gnucash-user or gnucash-devel mailing lists and hope david reiser responds.
20:12:22 <warlord> foo: that's what I would do.
20:12:24 <andi5> warlord: maybe it is not that bad and we can have a bug sprint before 2.0.5 :)
20:12:36 <foo> warlord: Gotcha, I'll trust you. hmm, ok, now where to make a transfer..
20:12:39 <foo> *looks in the program
20:13:02 <warlord> andi5: maybe ;)
20:13:14 <jsled> zevlag: you've seen <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation#Intel_Macs>?
20:13:25 <warlord> foo: either the Transfer Dialog or just from the CC register
20:14:02 <zevlag> jsled: that's what I follows, when I got 2.0.0 working to the registers crash state.
20:14:31 <foo> warlord: ah, in accounts.. I can right click and go to transfer. ok, cool. So, when would it be appropriate to use a vendor bill?
20:15:06 * AlonzoTG ended up having to unmerge all of the scheme stuff on my system, manually delete the guile directory....
20:15:09 <AlonzoTG> but it worked.
20:15:16 <AlonzoTG> =P
20:15:27 <AlonzoTG> I hate the GNU project....
20:15:35 <andi5> ok, seems like "make check" works everywhere except in src/bin/test .... some weird forward/backward slash issue is in work here, maybe i will ignore that :) .... other than that there is still a pending patch for src/app-utils to add -mms-bitfields to the CFLAGS....
20:17:24 <andi5> @tell cstim do you think we can add -mms-bitfields to CFLAGS in configure.in or will that make problems? ... (we need it in app-utils/test; -mms-bitfields comes from gtk+-2.0.pc---all packages that depend on gtk have it too, of course)
20:17:24 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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20:19:09 <andi5> AlonzoTG: you mean you LOVE the GNU project, right? ((remember, bb's watching you))
20:20:06 <warlord> foo: when you actually have a Payable.
20:20:35 <AlonzoTG> In almost every case, packages from the KDE project reflect a sincere attempt at being a usable piece of software. In almost all examples of GNU packages, every effort has been made to make the packages as arcane and obscure as possible.
20:20:39 <foo> warlord: thought so, ok. hmm, I don't have those. cool, and I see I can review the transfer amounts at the end of the month and what not.. cool, thanks
20:23:42 <andi5> AlonzoTG: gnome is not gnu, you know.... i also think the 'g' originally comes from "gimp" (the general image manipulation program)
20:24:15 <AlonzoTG> Correct, I'm not mad at gnome, I merely find it redundant to other packages I have on my system.
20:24:24 <jsled> Well, in any case, please take it somewhere else.
20:24:31 <AlonzoTG> I am mad at the gnu project for guile
20:24:36 <jsled> Well, in any case, please take it somewhere else.
20:24:41 <AlonzoTG> fine fine.
20:25:00 <AlonzoTG> I just wanted to say that I'm running again, for the rest of the evening at least...
20:27:35 <andi5> [ot] oh, i was wrong about the g in gnome, but maybe not in gtk+ and glib .... well, who cares
20:27:39 <andi5> see you
20:27:50 <jsled> gtk was the gimp tool kit.
20:27:57 <jsled> glib and gobject derived from that, of course.
20:28:23 <jsled> s/was/is/
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20:40:27 <foo> Hm, ok... I'm creating an invoice for a client who pays me on a monthly basis. I've entered client, now it's asking me for which job. Can I use the same job for multiple customer invoices?
20:44:59 <warlord> You dont need a job.. Jobs are optional.
20:59:00 <zevlag> Ok, I am just starting a fresh install of fink and everything. when I follow the install guide at http://captnswing.net/2006/07/10/gnucash20_on_intel_macs.html I am installing dependencies and I get Failed: no package found for specification 'gtkhtml3'!
20:59:12 <zevlag> what is a valid remplacement?
20:59:24 <jsled> there isn't one.
20:59:34 <jsled> but gtkhtml3 should exist.
20:59:42 <jsled> Maybe with a 'lib' on the front.
20:59:50 <warlord> Yeah, try libgtkhtml3?
21:00:20 <jsled> Though it might be something like "gtkhtml3.8" or "[...]3.10". It seemed like they reved the API/microversion number on every release for a while.
21:00:39 <zevlag> there is a package call libgtkhtml2, and a gtkhtml3.8.15
21:00:59 <jsled> >=3.10 is better, but 3.8.15 should work fine.
21:08:02 <foo> warlord: ohh, ok. Thanks!
21:12:29 <prock> what do I need to do to get (gnc:debug "message") to actually output?
21:12:45 <jsled> Probably to run --debug.
21:12:53 <warlord> and look in /tmp/gnucash.trace
21:12:54 <jsled> Or, look in /tmp/gnucash.trace
21:13:15 <prock> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports says you need to set some env var...
21:13:18 <foo> Hm, how can I delete a vendor bill?
21:13:18 <prock> ok
21:13:24 <foo> I see I can click close..
21:13:35 <foo> I guess it doesn't really matter.. but I made one and just want to delete it, didn't need it afterall
21:13:37 <warlord> foo: you can't.
21:13:42 <foo> ok, gotcha
21:13:58 <warlord> you can reuse it later, or just mark it Inactive to hide it.
21:14:08 * foo nods
21:14:08 <foo> ok
21:14:14 <foo> inactive = not posted, methinks
21:14:43 <warlord> no, inactive == doesn't show up in standard queries
21:14:48 <foo> ah, ok
21:15:21 <foo> hm, I wonder if I should set up an income account that is the name of the company... instead of just checking account. /me does that
21:15:42 <foo> orr, maybe.. I'll put the company name under Checking Account... since it's going to my checking account. That probably makes more sense, right?
21:16:10 <warlord> Huh?
21:16:26 <warlord> Neither make sense.
21:16:45 <foo> ah, ok. So, I'm creating a company invoice.
21:17:00 <foo> Actually, there is probably a way to view reports based on how much each client pays, right?
21:17:11 <foo> customer*
21:17:11 <foo> w 20
21:20:03 <warlord> foo: yes, the aging report or customer report.
21:20:31 <warlord> for customer invoices just use the invoice system.. income accounts are based on the type of income, not who it comes from.
21:21:04 <warlord> the business code will keep track of why paid in the A/R + invoices
21:30:29 <foo> yeah, sorry. That was a no brainer on my part
21:31:45 <warlord> heh
21:43:07 <foo> Hm, for a customer invoice.. .income account. Like, we're a small company (really small) that does IT stuff. I bill customers monthly... would income:sales be appropriate?
21:43:23 <warlord> sure
21:43:27 <foo> I know it varies and subjective. *thinks out loud*
21:43:30 <foo> Salary wouldn't be it
21:46:17 <foo> Is there a way to have Description in a customer invoice span across several lines? For instance, I provide 4 hours of remote support. Probably would put that under 1 item.. bill for 4 hours.. include price.. that'd be 1 item
21:47:00 <warlord> Not really. On the invoice it might word-wrap, but I dont recall.
21:52:10 <foo> hmm, ok.
21:54:49 <zevlag> While I'm trying to compile the dependencies still, it has called on an additional 131 packages, one of those being audiofile-0.2.6-11
21:55:08 <zevlag> and it errors out compiling that package
21:55:23 <warlord> it could be a dependency of gnome..
21:55:38 <zevlag> probably is, can I tell it just not to use it?
21:55:51 <warlord> I dont think so...
21:56:15 <zevlag> I verified I have the latest stable an unstable trees
21:56:36 <zevlag> I guess I will just have to report it broken, and try to install an older version or something
21:56:46 <warlord> Or try macPorts?
21:57:05 <zevlag> will macports work for an intel cpu?
21:57:10 <zevlag> I can give it a try
21:57:16 <warlord> I dont know.
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22:03:47 <zevlag> warlord: when you say try macports, just use that to install all the necessary dependancies?
22:04:26 <warlord> zevlag: yea.. "sudo port install gnucash"
22:04:48 <warlord> But I dont know if that works on MacIntel -- I dont have a MacIntel to test
22:05:42 <zevlag> *nod*
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22:37:24 <zevlag> warlord: so far so good, looks like it's working, we will see as we get through all these dependancies
22:38:19 <warlord> zevlag: coool.
22:38:32 <zevlag> it feels like it's compiling slower than fink did, probably not, is there anything I need to check to make sure it's taking advantage of everything it should?
22:38:42 <zevlag> I am on a core 2 duo machine
22:38:49 <warlord> I dont know.
22:38:54 <zevlag> *nod*
22:38:54 <zevlag> ke
22:38:56 <zevlag> -k-
22:39:03 <warlord> i'm really mot a mac guy.
22:54:17 <prock> zevlag: I found macports the easiest way to get gnucash running on my intel mac
22:54:31 <zevlag> Great, anything special?
22:54:41 <zevlag> or must port install gnuash?
22:54:48 <zevlag> s/must/just/
22:55:29 <prock> this is all I did: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation#Use_MacPorts_to_install_GnuCash
22:56:22 <prock> I'm no macports exports... I only installed it to run gnucash and have since stopped because it runs on my laptop (debian) much faster
22:56:28 <zevlag> are QFX and QFI files equivilant?
22:56:54 <zevlag> I definitely need qfi, but I don't think I need QFX
22:57:05 <prock> I'm not sure I just did as the wiki said
22:58:18 <zevlag> -k-
22:59:31 * prock does as he's told
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