2007-01-29 GnuCash IRC logs

00:08:27 <hampton> http://pastebin.ca/331770 has the changes
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00:16:34 <chris> looks good.
00:18:41 <chris> So, if you missed one, then probably nothing would happen, unless the return value was unchecked of course.
00:20:05 <hampton> I did a grep and replace, then went back and reverted one or two changes that were irrelevant (key always one word, or dead code)
00:22:28 * hampton 's finger is poised over the <enter> key about to commit....
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00:25:23 <hampton> gotta back out the patch to trunk first...
00:30:27 <chris> off to bed. g'night.
00:30:39 <hampton> good night. thanks for the review.
00:31:39 <hampton> that's all for me too. Night.
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03:48:56 <cstim> jsled: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&curid=1288&diff=2879&oldid=2876 reminded me to describe the "Add report" (save report) menu item in that question.
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07:08:14 <cstim> @tell andi5 Linuxtag 2007, Berlin, is asking for papers http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/cfp/cfp-target.html Are you up for a team presentation from the two of us about GnuCash? "Open source going Windows"
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10:38:22 <danie> Can anyone point me in the direction of how to write reports and execute them outside of gnucash?
10:39:07 <jsled> danie: you can't really execute them outside of gnucash.
10:39:14 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
10:39:15 <cstim> outside of gnucash? can you explain what you mean exactly?
10:39:46 <danie> cstim, I want to run a cronjob, query the balance of one specific account, and mail it out
10:40:24 <danie> jsled, I saw that. Thank you
10:40:52 <jsled> danie: the use case you just outlined doesn't exist, really.
10:42:19 <cstim> danie: you cannot do this with the gnucash program.
10:42:30 <cstim> (from a cron job, that is)
10:43:04 <danie> heh, that was what I was afraid of, couldn't find anything obvious last night.
10:43:15 <danie> Thank you for a great program, btw
10:46:19 <cstim> In case anyone remembers the autopackage project: they seem to be disappointed that nobody doesn't want to pick up their proposals, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.autopackage.devel/5875
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10:48:45 <Snderfox> hi folks
10:49:28 <jsled> cstim: it's hard work, to change the world. One package at a time. Especially when you don't want to do the work yourself. :)
10:49:32 <Snderfox> will there be an update that fixes the problem with guile-1.8.1 soon ?
10:50:31 <cstim> jsled: :-)
10:51:26 * jsled is biab.
10:52:11 <jsled> Snderfox: I don't think we have a fix in hand, right now. I'm not sure anyone's working on it, though andi5 might be.
10:52:20 <Snderfox> ok
10:52:31 <jsled> FWIW, all, gentoo has a bug for "gnucash doesn't work with guile-1.8.x", now.
10:52:41 <Snderfox> true
10:53:03 <Snderfox> but that one isn't very helpfull, so that's why I ask here :)
10:53:42 * jsled is really biaw, now.
10:53:47 <Snderfox> k
10:54:06 <Snderfox> it's quite annoying. I think soon a lot of people will update guile and then a lot of people will have a not-working gnucash :S
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10:55:56 <jsled> Yes, it is annoying.
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11:01:24 <warlord> Snderfox: which "guile 1.8.1 problem"?
11:02:05 <warlord> gnucash certainly works with 1.8.0; FC6 is an existence proof
11:09:15 <Snderfox> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163914
11:09:35 <jsled> I just added a rephrasing of warlord's note to that bug...
11:14:31 <warlord> Okay. So there isn't a bug, the gentoo folks are just confused or saying that there's a bug.. Got it.
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11:16:33 <Snderfox> no
11:16:36 <Snderfox> it's not working
11:16:42 <Snderfox> compile errors
11:16:54 <jsled> Oh? Can you pastebin them?
11:17:05 <Snderfox> sure, one sec
11:17:21 <warlord> Also, make sure that you rebuild g-wrap after you update guile.
11:17:27 <warlord> (and before you rebuild gnucash)
11:17:28 <Snderfox> I did
11:17:45 <jsled> which versions of g-wrap and slib?
11:17:50 <Snderfox> latest
11:17:56 <jsled> which versions.
11:18:13 <Snderfox> I have removed them yesterday because they were giving dependency problems
11:18:17 <Snderfox> I'll check
11:18:58 <Snderfox> [ebuild UD] dev-scheme/guile-1.6.8 [1.8.1-r1]
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/g-wrap-1.9.6-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-scheme/slib-3.1.1-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] app-office/gnucash-2.0.4
11:19:10 <Snderfox> it wants to downgrade guile
11:19:11 <Snderfox> :S
11:19:36 <warlord> I don't do gentoo so I have no idea what that means; but that looks like a packaging problem to me.
11:20:20 <warlord> Does the gnucash package specifically say something about the guile version?
11:20:22 <jsled> Yeah, it thinks =guile-1.6* is required, not >=guile-1.6
11:20:29 <Snderfox> yeah
11:20:49 <Snderfox> I tried with >=guile-1.6
11:21:06 <jsled> Snderfox: so, how/where do you see "compile errors"?
11:21:30 <Snderfox> when compiling gnucash after I had all the other dependencies installed
11:21:57 <Snderfox> I think I've already tried it, but I could try to edit all the above ebuilds so they will use the new version of guile again
11:22:25 <jsled> Or, you might be able to get by adding guile to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided
11:22:37 <jsled> s/get by/get by by/
11:23:01 <Snderfox> and how would adding it to that file help me ?
11:23:23 <Snderfox> that file is used if I install a package myself and want portage to know about it
11:23:34 <jsled> It should indicate that you're taking whole responsibility for guile, and not check its version.
11:23:46 <jsled> I'm never 100% sure about how it works, so it might not.
11:24:10 <jsled> Probably safer to edit/overlay the ebuild with the updated guile version
11:24:51 <Snderfox> doing that atm
11:28:25 <Snderfox> this is weird
11:28:37 <Snderfox> I've changed all the ebuilds, but it still asks for guile-1.6.8
11:29:24 <jsled> Snderfox: you might want to try <irc://irc.freenode.net/gentoo> along those lines...
11:29:31 <Snderfox> I already did
11:29:46 <Snderfox> nothing on the forums either
11:31:09 <jsled> What did you change the guile line to?
11:31:19 <jsled> Did you do it as a overlay; did you re-digest the ebuild?
11:31:28 <Snderfox> re-digest
11:33:25 <jsled> did you also update the g-wrap and slib ebuilds? It looks like g-wrap-1.9.6-r1 is also =guile-1.6*, and slib is RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7".
11:33:38 <Snderfox> I've updated all the ebuilds
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11:37:03 <Snderfox> RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7" ?
11:37:20 <Snderfox> why not RDEPEND=">=guile-1.6.8" ?
11:37:29 <jsled> Snderfox: `man 5 ebuild`; it's similar to "guile-1.6.7*".
11:37:33 <cstim> @tell andi5 On win32, the newly compiled guile (with libgnurx) gives a segfault upon start, which crashes gnucash's ./configure as well.
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11:37:57 <Snderfox> jsled: but it should need 1.8.1, not 1.6.7
11:38:16 <jsled> slib-3.1.1 does not need guile-1.8.1.
11:38:46 <jsled> >=slib-3.1.1 don't install against >=guile-1.6.7 on gentoo right now, however.
11:38:58 <Snderfox> if I ask for 1.6.7, it'll want to emerge it and that's what's giving the problem
11:39:11 <Snderfox> I have slib 3.1.4-r2
11:39:23 <Snderfox> ah
11:39:28 <Snderfox> so slib is the problem
11:39:33 <Snderfox> I guessed so
11:40:10 <Snderfox> the weird thing is, even if I set >=dev-scheme/guile-1.8.1 in the slib ebuild, it wants to install guile-1.6.8
11:40:11 <Snderfox> :/
11:40:31 <jsled> You'll need to talk to gentoo about that, I guess.
11:40:35 <Snderfox> k
11:41:26 <Snderfox> ah, tnx for the update at the bugzilla page :)
11:41:29 <warlord> You dont want slib 3.1.4
11:41:37 <warlord> (at least not until gnucash 2.0.5)
11:41:50 <cstim> jsled: did you give the irc_log_htmlizer.py a try in terms of <span class="nick-jsled">...?
11:42:08 <Snderfox> warlord: then give out 2.0.5 :P
11:42:15 <Snderfox> but I guess slib is giving the problem
11:42:29 <warlord> Snderfox: We're trying.
11:42:34 <Snderfox> because it needs guile-1.6.8 :S
11:42:36 <Snderfox> k
11:42:39 <jsled> cstim: no, not yet ... I just got back home early yesterday morning.
11:42:46 <cstim> oh.
11:44:00 <Snderfox> ok, tnx for the help guys :)
11:44:01 <Snderfox> see ya
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12:09:09 <cstim> @tell andi5 Nevermind guile. After really removing its installed version *and* the previous build directory, the newly compiled guile works fine.
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12:13:22 <warlord> Hehe.
12:13:28 <warlord> reset.sh is your friend.
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13:59:28 <prock> is the SLR the only place where SX's turn into actual TX's?
14:00:04 <jsled> prock: yes.
14:00:17 <prock> tnx
14:00:40 <jsled> prock: though on trunk, that does not need to be true, as the creation routines are now factored out of the dialog.
14:00:54 <jsled> But -- still -- the SLR dialog is the only place the code is invoked.
14:27:16 <slicslak> can 2.0.4 use slib-3.1.4?
14:29:38 <slicslak> nm, i'll just try it
14:29:52 <jsled> I don't know, but I believe so. I think debian does, but with a modified slib-3a4, maybe?
14:41:22 <slicslak> ya, it's just 2.0.2 didn't work with guile-1.6.8 or slib-3.1.4 (can't remember which) and i'm upgrading now. well, i guess i'll find out soon enough!
14:41:40 <jsled> slicslak: you're gentoo as well?
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14:44:45 <joeljkp_> is there a general financial channel or irc anywhere?
14:45:21 <jsled> joeljkp_: not that I'm aware of. I've tried to find one on freenode in the past, and came up empty.
14:45:33 <joeljkp_> jsled: i could start one, then
14:45:44 <joeljkp_> #finances, #financial, #accounting, #money...
14:45:45 <joeljkp_> ideas?
14:46:01 <jsled> Well, what's your goal?
14:46:17 <joeljkp_> general personal finance
14:46:25 <joeljkp_> not business/enterprise accounting
14:46:28 <joeljkp_> not package-specific
14:46:39 <jsled> Probably #finances, then.
14:46:58 <joeljkp_> cool cool
14:47:01 <joeljkp_> it'll be ##finances
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14:50:18 <slicslak> jsled, that's right. :-) i'm addicted to portage...
14:50:57 <jsled> slicslak: you'll want to use guile-1.6.7, slib-3.1.1, g-wrap-1.9.6
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14:51:11 <jsled> slicslak: just like the gnucash-2.0.4 ebuild says.
14:53:28 <jsled> slicslak: it looks like guile-1.6.8 breaks the packaging of >=slib-3.1.1
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14:54:28 <slicslak> jsled, ok. the whole box is running ~x86
14:54:38 <slicslak> that's prob why i had problems last time
14:55:11 <slicslak> jsled, so masking >=slib-3.1.1 should work for the time being then?
14:55:57 <jsled> And guile-1.6.8, I think.
14:56:07 <jsled> And g-wrap-1.9.7.
14:56:14 <jsled> But better yet, don't run ~x86. :p
14:56:42 <slicslak> :-) i need it for too many kde apps i use for work.
14:57:06 <jsled> /etc/portage/package.keyword is your friend.
14:58:11 <slicslak> ya, i gave up after that file hit 60+ entries. it was too much a hassle to deal with all the dependencies. it would be nice to mark an app and entire dependency tree in one line... but don't have that feature yet
14:58:50 <slicslak> ok, so mask g-wrap-1.9.7 guile-1.6.8 and slib and i should be cool? lol..... ok i'll try it.
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15:06:00 <andi5> @tell cstim have you ever tried ORBit2 v2.14.4.zip?
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17:01:33 <AlonzoTG> =(
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17:38:40 <andi5> warlord: any updates at the "make check in src/engine fails" front?
17:39:38 <warlord> andi5: I'm not sure if the code is wrong or the test is wrong.
17:40:10 <warlord> basically, EXACT will actually perform SOME amount of reduction if it thinks the number will overflow.
17:40:28 <warlord> But it WONT do any reduction if it wont overflow..
17:40:48 <warlord> And the test is expecting it to always do the reduction.
17:42:32 <andi5> i think http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/lib/libqof/qof/gnc-numeric.h#L168 suggests that the test is incorrect, right?
17:43:25 <andi5> _unless_ we make sure we overflow, ... but even then: is there some documentation that reduction will be in effect then?
17:44:34 <warlord> I think what that means is that we should change the test from _eq() to _equal()
17:44:54 <warlord> which also means we should make sure we test _equal() before we run this test. :)
17:46:41 <andi5> hehe.... btw, i think i said yesterday the numbers would not be equal, there are, but not eq ;-) (for the sake of completeness)
17:47:46 <AlonzoTG> gnucash won't even build on gentoo right now. =((((
17:47:47 <warlord> Yes, they ARE equal() but not eq().. And in EXACT you canot guarantee that they are eq()
17:47:58 <warlord> AlonzoTG: STOP F*****G COMPLAINING TO US ABOUT THAT!
17:48:18 <andi5> i think we run check_equality_operator for that, right?
17:48:34 <andi5> i mean to test _equal
17:48:36 <AlonzoTG> =|
17:48:42 <AlonzoTG> I just want to do my accounting.
17:49:05 <jsled> AlonzoTG: if you want a stable system, don't run the unstable branch. Besides, I thought you had things working?
17:49:12 <warlord> AlonzoTG: Then don't run "unstable "
17:49:16 <AlonzoTG> it was, for about 6 hours.
17:49:37 <warlord> andi5: True, we do.. So yeah, the test is wrong..
17:49:43 <AlonzoTG> texmacs broke and I was foolish enough to try to get both gnucash and texmacs working...
17:50:40 <warlord> AlonzoTG: I suggest you try #gentoo
17:51:34 <warlord> andi5: of course it means we need to change check_binary_op() to know when to use eq() vs. equal()
17:51:45 <warlord> (because in most places we really do want to test 'eq()')
17:53:07 <warlord> andi5: I'll take a look at that tonight, unless you want me to solve it sooner?
17:53:39 <andi5> no need, will leave in five minutes
17:54:03 <warlord> Okay. Have a good night. I'll re-work the test (hopefully) tonight.
17:54:07 <andi5> i guess a few problems will remain, but i hope to fix them tomorrow..... two other directories need our attention thereafter
17:54:14 <andi5> great!
17:55:25 <andi5> see you
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18:01:36 <jsled> AlonzoTG: fwiw, gnucash builds fine on gentoo right now. your system might be in a bad state, but it is clear that if you require a stable branch, you should either un-break your system, or have a stable vmware image or something.
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00:08:27 <hampton> http://pastebin.ca/331770 has the changes
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00:16:34 <chris> looks good.
00:18:41 <chris> So, if you missed one, then probably nothing would happen, unless the return value was unchecked of course.
00:20:05 <hampton> I did a grep and replace, then went back and reverted one or two changes that were irrelevant (key always one word, or dead code)
00:22:28 * hampton 's finger is poised over the <enter> key about to commit....
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00:25:23 <hampton> gotta back out the patch to trunk first...
00:30:27 <chris> off to bed. g'night.
00:30:39 <hampton> good night. thanks for the review.
00:31:39 <hampton> that's all for me too. Night.
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03:48:56 <cstim> jsled: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&curid=1288&diff=2879&oldid=2876 reminded me to describe the "Add report" (save report) menu item in that question.
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07:08:14 <cstim> @tell andi5 Linuxtag 2007, Berlin, is asking for papers http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/cfp/cfp-target.html Are you up for a team presentation from the two of us about GnuCash? "Open source going Windows"
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10:38:22 <danie> Can anyone point me in the direction of how to write reports and execute them outside of gnucash?
10:39:07 <jsled> danie: you can't really execute them outside of gnucash.
10:39:14 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
10:39:15 <cstim> outside of gnucash? can you explain what you mean exactly?
10:39:46 <danie> cstim, I want to run a cronjob, query the balance of one specific account, and mail it out
10:40:24 <danie> jsled, I saw that. Thank you
10:40:52 <jsled> danie: the use case you just outlined doesn't exist, really.
10:42:19 <cstim> danie: you cannot do this with the gnucash program.
10:42:30 <cstim> (from a cron job, that is)
10:43:04 <danie> heh, that was what I was afraid of, couldn't find anything obvious last night.
10:43:15 <danie> Thank you for a great program, btw
10:46:19 <cstim> In case anyone remembers the autopackage project: they seem to be disappointed that nobody doesn't want to pick up their proposals, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.autopackage.devel/5875
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10:48:45 <Snderfox> hi folks
10:49:28 <jsled> cstim: it's hard work, to change the world. One package at a time. Especially when you don't want to do the work yourself. :)
10:49:32 <Snderfox> will there be an update that fixes the problem with guile-1.8.1 soon ?
10:50:31 <cstim> jsled: :-)
10:51:26 * jsled is biab.
10:52:11 <jsled> Snderfox: I don't think we have a fix in hand, right now. I'm not sure anyone's working on it, though andi5 might be.
10:52:20 <Snderfox> ok
10:52:31 <jsled> FWIW, all, gentoo has a bug for "gnucash doesn't work with guile-1.8.x", now.
10:52:41 <Snderfox> true
10:53:03 <Snderfox> but that one isn't very helpfull, so that's why I ask here :)
10:53:42 * jsled is really biaw, now.
10:53:47 <Snderfox> k
10:54:06 <Snderfox> it's quite annoying. I think soon a lot of people will update guile and then a lot of people will have a not-working gnucash :S
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10:55:56 <jsled> Yes, it is annoying.
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11:01:24 <warlord> Snderfox: which "guile 1.8.1 problem"?
11:02:05 <warlord> gnucash certainly works with 1.8.0; FC6 is an existence proof
11:09:15 <Snderfox> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163914
11:09:35 <jsled> I just added a rephrasing of warlord's note to that bug...
11:14:31 <warlord> Okay. So there isn't a bug, the gentoo folks are just confused or saying that there's a bug.. Got it.
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11:16:33 <Snderfox> no
11:16:36 <Snderfox> it's not working
11:16:42 <Snderfox> compile errors
11:16:54 <jsled> Oh? Can you pastebin them?
11:17:05 <Snderfox> sure, one sec
11:17:21 <warlord> Also, make sure that you rebuild g-wrap after you update guile.
11:17:27 <warlord> (and before you rebuild gnucash)
11:17:28 <Snderfox> I did
11:17:45 <jsled> which versions of g-wrap and slib?
11:17:50 <Snderfox> latest
11:17:56 <jsled> which versions.
11:18:13 <Snderfox> I have removed them yesterday because they were giving dependency problems
11:18:17 <Snderfox> I'll check
11:18:58 <Snderfox> [ebuild UD] dev-scheme/guile-1.6.8 [1.8.1-r1]
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/g-wrap-1.9.6-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-scheme/slib-3.1.1-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] app-office/gnucash-2.0.4
11:19:10 <Snderfox> it wants to downgrade guile
11:19:11 <Snderfox> :S
11:19:36 <warlord> I don't do gentoo so I have no idea what that means; but that looks like a packaging problem to me.
11:20:20 <warlord> Does the gnucash package specifically say something about the guile version?
11:20:22 <jsled> Yeah, it thinks =guile-1.6* is required, not >=guile-1.6
11:20:29 <Snderfox> yeah
11:20:49 <Snderfox> I tried with >=guile-1.6
11:21:06 <jsled> Snderfox: so, how/where do you see "compile errors"?
11:21:30 <Snderfox> when compiling gnucash after I had all the other dependencies installed
11:21:57 <Snderfox> I think I've already tried it, but I could try to edit all the above ebuilds so they will use the new version of guile again
11:22:25 <jsled> Or, you might be able to get by adding guile to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided
11:22:37 <jsled> s/get by/get by by/
11:23:01 <Snderfox> and how would adding it to that file help me ?
11:23:23 <Snderfox> that file is used if I install a package myself and want portage to know about it
11:23:34 <jsled> It should indicate that you're taking whole responsibility for guile, and not check its version.
11:23:46 <jsled> I'm never 100% sure about how it works, so it might not.
11:24:10 <jsled> Probably safer to edit/overlay the ebuild with the updated guile version
11:24:51 <Snderfox> doing that atm
11:28:25 <Snderfox> this is weird
11:28:37 <Snderfox> I've changed all the ebuilds, but it still asks for guile-1.6.8
11:29:24 <jsled> Snderfox: you might want to try <irc://irc.freenode.net/gentoo> along those lines...
11:29:31 <Snderfox> I already did
11:29:46 <Snderfox> nothing on the forums either
11:31:09 <jsled> What did you change the guile line to?
11:31:19 <jsled> Did you do it as a overlay; did you re-digest the ebuild?
11:31:28 <Snderfox> re-digest
11:33:25 <jsled> did you also update the g-wrap and slib ebuilds? It looks like g-wrap-1.9.6-r1 is also =guile-1.6*, and slib is RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7".
11:33:38 <Snderfox> I've updated all the ebuilds
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11:37:03 <Snderfox> RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7" ?
11:37:20 <Snderfox> why not RDEPEND=">=guile-1.6.8" ?
11:37:29 <jsled> Snderfox: `man 5 ebuild`; it's similar to "guile-1.6.7*".
11:37:33 <cstim> @tell andi5 On win32, the newly compiled guile (with libgnurx) gives a segfault upon start, which crashes gnucash's ./configure as well.
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11:37:57 <Snderfox> jsled: but it should need 1.8.1, not 1.6.7
11:38:16 <jsled> slib-3.1.1 does not need guile-1.8.1.
11:38:46 <jsled> >=slib-3.1.1 don't install against >=guile-1.6.7 on gentoo right now, however.
11:38:58 <Snderfox> if I ask for 1.6.7, it'll want to emerge it and that's what's giving the problem
11:39:11 <Snderfox> I have slib 3.1.4-r2
11:39:23 <Snderfox> ah
11:39:28 <Snderfox> so slib is the problem
11:39:33 <Snderfox> I guessed so
11:40:10 <Snderfox> the weird thing is, even if I set >=dev-scheme/guile-1.8.1 in the slib ebuild, it wants to install guile-1.6.8
11:40:11 <Snderfox> :/
11:40:31 <jsled> You'll need to talk to gentoo about that, I guess.
11:40:35 <Snderfox> k
11:41:26 <Snderfox> ah, tnx for the update at the bugzilla page :)
11:41:29 <warlord> You dont want slib 3.1.4
11:41:37 <warlord> (at least not until gnucash 2.0.5)
11:41:50 <cstim> jsled: did you give the irc_log_htmlizer.py a try in terms of <span class="nick-jsled">...?
11:42:08 <Snderfox> warlord: then give out 2.0.5 :P
11:42:15 <Snderfox> but I guess slib is giving the problem
11:42:29 <warlord> Snderfox: We're trying.
11:42:34 <Snderfox> because it needs guile-1.6.8 :S
11:42:36 <Snderfox> k
11:42:39 <jsled> cstim: no, not yet ... I just got back home early yesterday morning.
00:08:27 <hampton> http://pastebin.ca/331770 has the changes
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00:16:34 <chris> looks good.
00:18:41 <chris> So, if you missed one, then probably nothing would happen, unless the return value was unchecked of course.
00:20:05 <hampton> I did a grep and replace, then went back and reverted one or two changes that were irrelevant (key always one word, or dead code)
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00:25:23 <hampton> gotta back out the patch to trunk first...
00:30:27 <chris> off to bed. g'night.
00:30:39 <hampton> good night. thanks for the review.
00:31:39 <hampton> that's all for me too. Night.
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03:48:56 <cstim> jsled: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&curid=1288&diff=2879&oldid=2876 reminded me to describe the "Add report" (save report) menu item in that question.
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07:08:14 <cstim> @tell andi5 Linuxtag 2007, Berlin, is asking for papers http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/cfp/cfp-target.html Are you up for a team presentation from the two of us about GnuCash? "Open source going Windows"
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10:38:22 <danie> Can anyone point me in the direction of how to write reports and execute them outside of gnucash?
10:39:07 <jsled> danie: you can't really execute them outside of gnucash.
10:39:14 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
10:39:15 <cstim> outside of gnucash? can you explain what you mean exactly?
10:39:46 <danie> cstim, I want to run a cronjob, query the balance of one specific account, and mail it out
10:40:24 <danie> jsled, I saw that. Thank you
10:40:52 <jsled> danie: the use case you just outlined doesn't exist, really.
10:42:19 <cstim> danie: you cannot do this with the gnucash program.
10:42:30 <cstim> (from a cron job, that is)
10:43:04 <danie> heh, that was what I was afraid of, couldn't find anything obvious last night.
10:43:15 <danie> Thank you for a great program, btw
10:46:19 <cstim> In case anyone remembers the autopackage project: they seem to be disappointed that nobody doesn't want to pick up their proposals, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.autopackage.devel/5875
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10:48:45 <Snderfox> hi folks
10:49:28 <jsled> cstim: it's hard work, to change the world. One package at a time. Especially when you don't want to do the work yourself. :)
10:49:32 <Snderfox> will there be an update that fixes the problem with guile-1.8.1 soon ?
10:50:31 <cstim> jsled: :-)
10:51:26 * jsled is biab.
10:52:11 <jsled> Snderfox: I don't think we have a fix in hand, right now. I'm not sure anyone's working on it, though andi5 might be.
10:52:20 <Snderfox> ok
10:52:31 <jsled> FWIW, all, gentoo has a bug for "gnucash doesn't work with guile-1.8.x", now.
10:52:41 <Snderfox> true
10:53:03 <Snderfox> but that one isn't very helpfull, so that's why I ask here :)
10:53:42 * jsled is really biaw, now.
10:53:47 <Snderfox> k
10:54:06 <Snderfox> it's quite annoying. I think soon a lot of people will update guile and then a lot of people will have a not-working gnucash :S
10:55:51 * jsled neverminds about leaving.
10:55:56 <jsled> Yes, it is annoying.
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11:01:24 <warlord> Snderfox: which "guile 1.8.1 problem"?
11:02:05 <warlord> gnucash certainly works with 1.8.0; FC6 is an existence proof
11:09:15 <Snderfox> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163914
11:09:35 <jsled> I just added a rephrasing of warlord's note to that bug...
11:14:31 <warlord> Okay. So there isn't a bug, the gentoo folks are just confused or saying that there's a bug.. Got it.
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11:16:33 <Snderfox> no
11:16:36 <Snderfox> it's not working
11:16:42 <Snderfox> compile errors
11:16:54 <jsled> Oh? Can you pastebin them?
11:17:05 <Snderfox> sure, one sec
11:17:21 <warlord> Also, make sure that you rebuild g-wrap after you update guile.
11:17:27 <warlord> (and before you rebuild gnucash)
11:17:28 <Snderfox> I did
11:17:45 <jsled> which versions of g-wrap and slib?
11:17:50 <Snderfox> latest
11:17:56 <jsled> which versions.
11:18:13 <Snderfox> I have removed them yesterday because they were giving dependency problems
11:18:17 <Snderfox> I'll check
11:18:58 <Snderfox> [ebuild UD] dev-scheme/guile-1.6.8 [1.8.1-r1]
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/g-wrap-1.9.6-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] dev-scheme/slib-3.1.1-r1
11:18:59 <Snderfox> [ebuild N ] app-office/gnucash-2.0.4
11:19:10 <Snderfox> it wants to downgrade guile
11:19:11 <Snderfox> :S
11:19:36 <warlord> I don't do gentoo so I have no idea what that means; but that looks like a packaging problem to me.
11:20:20 <warlord> Does the gnucash package specifically say something about the guile version?
11:20:22 <jsled> Yeah, it thinks =guile-1.6* is required, not >=guile-1.6
11:20:29 <Snderfox> yeah
11:20:49 <Snderfox> I tried with >=guile-1.6
11:21:06 <jsled> Snderfox: so, how/where do you see "compile errors"?
11:21:30 <Snderfox> when compiling gnucash after I had all the other dependencies installed
11:21:57 <Snderfox> I think I've already tried it, but I could try to edit all the above ebuilds so they will use the new version of guile again
11:22:25 <jsled> Or, you might be able to get by adding guile to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided
11:22:37 <jsled> s/get by/get by by/
11:23:01 <Snderfox> and how would adding it to that file help me ?
11:23:23 <Snderfox> that file is used if I install a package myself and want portage to know about it
11:23:34 <jsled> It should indicate that you're taking whole responsibility for guile, and not check its version.
11:23:46 <jsled> I'm never 100% sure about how it works, so it might not.
11:24:10 <jsled> Probably safer to edit/overlay the ebuild with the updated guile version
11:24:51 <Snderfox> doing that atm
11:28:25 <Snderfox> this is weird
11:28:37 <Snderfox> I've changed all the ebuilds, but it still asks for guile-1.6.8
11:29:24 <jsled> Snderfox: you might want to try <irc://irc.freenode.net/gentoo> along those lines...
11:29:31 <Snderfox> I already did
11:29:46 <Snderfox> nothing on the forums either
11:31:09 <jsled> What did you change the guile line to?
11:31:19 <jsled> Did you do it as a overlay; did you re-digest the ebuild?
11:31:28 <Snderfox> re-digest
11:33:25 <jsled> did you also update the g-wrap and slib ebuilds? It looks like g-wrap-1.9.6-r1 is also =guile-1.6*, and slib is RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7".
11:33:38 <Snderfox> I've updated all the ebuilds
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11:37:03 <Snderfox> RDEPEND="~guile-1.6.7" ?
11:37:20 <Snderfox> why not RDEPEND=">=guile-1.6.8" ?
11:37:29 <jsled> Snderfox: `man 5 ebuild`; it's similar to "guile-1.6.7*".
11:37:33 <cstim> @tell andi5 On win32, the newly compiled guile (with libgnurx) gives a segfault upon start, which crashes gnucash's ./configure as well.
11:37:33 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
11:37:57 <Snderfox> jsled: but it should need 1.8.1, not 1.6.7
11:38:16 <jsled> slib-3.1.1 does not need guile-1.8.1.
11:38:46 <jsled> >=slib-3.1.1 don't install against >=guile-1.6.7 on gentoo right now, however.
11:38:58 <Snderfox> if I ask for 1.6.7, it'll want to emerge it and that's what's giving the problem
11:39:11 <Snderfox> I have slib 3.1.4-r2
11:39:23 <Snderfox> ah
11:39:28 <Snderfox> so slib is the problem
11:39:33 <Snderfox> I guessed so
11:40:10 <Snderfox> the weird thing is, even if I set >=dev-scheme/guile-1.8.1 in the slib ebuild, it wants to install guile-1.6.8
11:40:11 <Snderfox> :/
11:40:31 <jsled> You'll need to talk to gentoo about that, I guess.
11:40:35 <Snderfox> k
11:41:26 <Snderfox> ah, tnx for the update at the bugzilla page :)
11:41:29 <warlord> You dont want slib 3.1.4
11:41:37 <warlord> (at least not until gnucash 2.0.5)
11:41:50 <cstim> jsled: did you give the irc_log_htmlizer.py a try in terms of <span class="nick-jsled">...?
11:42:08 <Snderfox> warlord: then give out 2.0.5 :P
11:42:15 <Snderfox> but I guess slib is giving the problem
11:42:29 <warlord> Snderfox: We're trying.
11:42:34 <Snderfox> because it needs guile-1.6.8 :S
11:42:36 <Snderfox> k
11:42:39 <jsled> cstim: no, not yet ... I just got back home early yesterday morning.
11:42:46 <cstim> oh.
11:44:00 <Snderfox> ok, tnx for the help guys :)
11:44:01 <Snderfox> see ya
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12:09:09 <cstim> @tell andi5 Nevermind guile. After really removing its installed version *and* the previous build directory, the newly compiled guile works fine.
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12:13:22 <warlord> Hehe.
12:13:28 <warlord> reset.sh is your friend.
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13:59:28 <prock> is the SLR the only place where SX's turn into actual TX's?
14:00:04 <jsled> prock: yes.
14:00:17 <prock> tnx
14:00:40 <jsled> prock: though on trunk, that does not need to be true, as the creation routines are now factored out of the dialog.
14:00:54 <jsled> But -- still -- the SLR dialog is the only place the code is invoked.
14:27:16 <slicslak> can 2.0.4 use slib-3.1.4?
14:29:38 <slicslak> nm, i'll just try it
14:29:52 <jsled> I don't know, but I believe so. I think debian does, but with a modified slib-3a4, maybe?
14:41:22 <slicslak> ya, it's just 2.0.2 didn't work with guile-1.6.8 or slib-3.1.4 (can't remember which) and i'm upgrading now. well, i guess i'll find out soon enough!
14:41:40 <jsled> slicslak: you're gentoo as well?
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14:44:45 <joeljkp_> is there a general financial channel or irc anywhere?
14:45:21 <jsled> joeljkp_: not that I'm aware of. I've tried to find one on freenode in the past, and came up empty.
14:45:33 <joeljkp_> jsled: i could start one, then
14:45:44 <joeljkp_> #finances, #financial, #accounting, #money...
14:45:45 <joeljkp_> ideas?
14:46:01 <jsled> Well, what's your goal?
14:46:17 <joeljkp_> general personal finance
14:46:25 <joeljkp_> not business/enterprise accounting
14:46:28 <joeljkp_> not package-specific
14:46:39 <jsled> Probably #finances, then.
14:46:58 <joeljkp_> cool cool
14:47:01 <joeljkp_> it'll be ##finances
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14:50:18 <slicslak> jsled, that's right. :-) i'm addicted to portage...
14:50:57 <jsled> slicslak: you'll want to use guile-1.6.7, slib-3.1.1, g-wrap-1.9.6
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14:51:11 <jsled> slicslak: just like the gnucash-2.0.4 ebuild says.
14:53:28 <jsled> slicslak: it looks like guile-1.6.8 breaks the packaging of >=slib-3.1.1
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14:54:28 <slicslak> jsled, ok. the whole box is running ~x86
14:54:38 <slicslak> that's prob why i had problems last time
14:55:11 <slicslak> jsled, so masking >=slib-3.1.1 should work for the time being then?
14:55:57 <jsled> And guile-1.6.8, I think.
14:56:07 <jsled> And g-wrap-1.9.7.
14:56:14 <jsled> But better yet, don't run ~x86. :p
14:56:42 <slicslak> :-) i need it for too many kde apps i use for work.
14:57:06 <jsled> /etc/portage/package.keyword is your friend.
14:58:11 <slicslak> ya, i gave up after that file hit 60+ entries. it was too much a hassle to deal with all the dependencies. it would be nice to mark an app and entire dependency tree in one line... but don't have that feature yet
14:58:50 <slicslak> ok, so mask g-wrap-1.9.7 guile-1.6.8 and slib and i should be cool? lol..... ok i'll try it.
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15:06:00 <andi5> @tell cstim have you ever tried ORBit2 v2.14.4.zip?
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17:38:40 <andi5> warlord: any updates at the "make check in src/engine fails" front?
17:39:38 <warlord> andi5: I'm not sure if the code is wrong or the test is wrong.
17:40:10 <warlord> basically, EXACT will actually perform SOME amount of reduction if it thinks the number will overflow.
17:40:28 <warlord> But it WONT do any reduction if it wont overflow..
17:40:48 <warlord> And the test is expecting it to always do the reduction.
17:42:32 <andi5> i think http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/lib/libqof/qof/gnc-numeric.h#L168 suggests that the test is incorrect, right?
17:43:25 <andi5> _unless_ we make sure we overflow, ... but even then: is there some documentation that reduction will be in effect then?
17:44:34 <warlord> I think what that means is that we should change the test from _eq() to _equal()
17:44:54 <warlord> which also means we should make sure we test _equal() before we run this test. :)
17:46:41 <andi5> hehe.... btw, i think i said yesterday the numbers would not be equal, there are, but not eq ;-) (for the sake of completeness)
17:47:46 <AlonzoTG> gnucash won't even build on gentoo right now. =((((
17:47:47 <warlord> Yes, they ARE equal() but not eq().. And in EXACT you canot guarantee that they are eq()
17:47:58 <warlord> AlonzoTG: STOP F*****G COMPLAINING TO US ABOUT THAT!
17:48:18 <andi5> i think we run check_equality_operator for that, right?
17:48:34 <andi5> i mean to test _equal
17:48:36 <AlonzoTG> =|
17:48:42 <AlonzoTG> I just want to do my accounting.
17:49:05 <jsled> AlonzoTG: if you want a stable system, don't run the unstable branch. Besides, I thought you had things working?
17:49:12 <warlord> AlonzoTG: Then don't run "unstable "
17:49:16 <AlonzoTG> it was, for about 6 hours.
17:49:37 <warlord> andi5: True, we do.. So yeah, the test is wrong..
17:49:43 <AlonzoTG> texmacs broke and I was foolish enough to try to get both gnucash and texmacs working...
17:50:40 <warlord> AlonzoTG: I suggest you try #gentoo
17:51:34 <warlord> andi5: of course it means we need to change check_binary_op() to know when to use eq() vs. equal()
17:51:45 <warlord> (because in most places we really do want to test 'eq()')
17:53:07 <warlord> andi5: I'll take a look at that tonight, unless you want me to solve it sooner?
17:53:39 <andi5> no need, will leave in five minutes
17:54:03 <warlord> Okay. Have a good night. I'll re-work the test (hopefully) tonight.
17:54:07 <andi5> i guess a few problems will remain, but i hope to fix them tomorrow..... two other directories need our attention thereafter
17:54:14 <andi5> great!
17:55:25 <andi5> see you
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18:01:36 <jsled> AlonzoTG: fwiw, gnucash builds fine on gentoo right now. your system might be in a bad state, but it is clear that if you require a stable branch, you should either un-break your system, or have a stable vmware image or something.
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