2007-01-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:15:31 <salog> hi, i couldnt find in the docs howto setup a bond. under which category should I file a new account for my bond?
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08:01:46 <salty-horse> hi. i've just started using gnucash. my credit card withdrew money from my bank account for last month, but i don't want to fill in the specific transactions i made with my credit card for last month. how should I report them?
08:19:50 <jsled> salty-horse: Maybe a single transaction against {Expenses:I don't care to itemize} for the full balance?
08:20:18 <jsled> s/full balance/full month's transactions/
08:20:46 <salty-horse> shouldn't it be some kind of "opening balance" like i did with my bank account?
08:21:18 <jsled> Oh, if it's an opening balance, sure.
08:21:41 <jsled> Sorry ... I've coffee in front of me, but I've not had even a sip, yet.
08:22:05 <jsled> Yeah, an opening CC balance is just like any other, against Equity:OB.
08:22:42 <salty-horse> but this is money i owe the credit card company.. not money that i have (=equity)
08:23:05 <jsled> It'll be negative equity, but it's still against the equity account.
08:23:46 <jsled> e.g., if you had $100 to your name in Assets and $100 in CC debt, the Equity account balance would be $0 after both transactions.
08:23:59 <jsled> s/e.g./i.e./
08:24:02 <salty-horse> ah
08:24:02 <salty-horse> sec
08:27:45 <salty-horse> in the accounts window, is everything supposed to appear balanced as "total: 0"?
08:28:43 <jsled> salty-horse: nope.
08:29:01 <salty-horse> specifically, i created an expense account called "bank commissions", and put in some transactions that decreased my account. will it always appear red with a minus amount?
08:29:38 <jsled> Unless you've changed the "sign reversal" preference, Expense accounts should be positive.
08:30:21 <jsled> (The pref is Edit > Prefereces > Accounts > Reverse Balanced Accounts", and should be "Credit accounts".,
08:30:24 <jsled> )
08:30:43 <jsled> So, you might have those transactions backwards.
08:31:37 <salty-horse> i have the "reverse credit accounts" option
08:31:59 <salty-horse> bank commission is a liability, no?
08:32:45 <jsled> I'd guess it an Expense. What is it, exactly?
08:33:10 <salty-horse> my bad :)
08:34:27 <jsled> Is that commission as part of a stock trade?
08:35:13 <salty-horse> nope. regular bank/credit commissions
08:35:24 <jsled> Like service fees?
08:35:27 <salty-horse> yes
08:35:38 <jsled> Ah. Yeah, definitely Expenses.
08:35:48 <salty-horse> withdrawal commissions from ATMs
08:37:08 <jsled> I guess the account hierarchies don't have it, but {Expenses:Financal:Bank of Example Fees} wouldn't be unreasonable.
08:37:37 <salty-horse> i'm using a custom hierarchy (via the FAQ)
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08:37:48 <salty-horse> (the guide: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/)
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08:37:55 <warlord> or just Expenses:Bank Fees
08:38:35 <salty-horse> that's exactly what i did
08:40:42 <salty-horse> what if i usually pay for things on my credit card with dollars, but the credit company charges me with a local currency? the conversion rates change daily. can gnucash manage that?
08:41:29 <warlord> Unless you REALLY care about how much you spent in the local currency I'd just ignore it.
08:42:34 <salty-horse> but then i can't correctly compare the data i feed in expenses against the credit charge at the end of the month
08:45:17 <warlord> Maybe I didn't understand the question.. When I travel internationally and use my credit card, I see both the "local" currency and the "USD" value based on that day's exchange rate.. And I just pay the USD amount. So the amount in local currency is mostly irrelevant to me.
08:47:00 <warlord> (I see it on my bill)
08:55:54 <salty-horse> in the credit card statement, but not in the bank statement near the credit card charge
08:57:00 <warlord> The bank statement?
08:57:48 <salty-horse> you pay for something with credit dollars, and then the credit company charges your bank in the local currency
08:58:05 <warlord> I've never heard of such a thing.
08:58:33 <salty-horse> i pay my credit company through my bank account
08:59:28 <warlord> That's pretty standard.
08:59:37 <warlord> why don't you run me through a whole cycle?
08:59:48 <warlord> (from charge to final payment)
09:05:20 <salty-horse> i order something from amazon for $50. i want to report it in gnucash as $50. when i get my credit statement, i see those $50 alongside the local currency 80 gold pieces - the real charge. i want to fill that in gnucash too (preferrably in the same transaction). a few days later, i see that the credit card company charged my bank account for those converted 80 gold pieces, plus other purchases i made that month
09:07:32 <salty-horse> i tried setting an expense account as dollars, and set a conversion rate in tools->price editor (it should be automatic) but it appeared in my credit card account (set to the local currency) as unconverted. i'm using gnucash 2.0.1 - is this a bug i should report?
09:11:41 <warlord> Okay... So your example at least jives with me.. The credit card expense is in, e.g. ¥ but gets converted to $ and then I pay the CC in $. In this case, I wouldn't even record the amount of ¥ (except maybe in the description, memo, or notes field).
09:12:41 <salty-horse> so you wouldn't record the expense? because i don't really know which conversion rate the credit card company will use when it charges me
09:13:34 <warlord> No no no no no... I record the expense.. But I record it in /my/ currency ($) and not the local currency where the purchase was made (¥).
09:14:18 <warlord> So I'm visiting Japan and pay 1000¥ for breakfast. I'd make a guess and say $10.. Then I'd correct the actual amount when I see the CC bill.
09:14:29 <warlord> So my accounts are all in USD.
09:14:52 <warlord> I can say "1000¥" in the txn description, memo, or notes if I want to remember..
09:15:04 <salty-horse> got it: "Then I'd correct the actual amount when I see the CC bill."
09:15:12 <warlord> But I dont really want (or need) to keep track of how much ¥ I've spent.
09:15:18 <salty-horse> i'll use notes :)
09:16:14 <salty-horse> so i'm not using gnucash's conversion rates mechanism at all
09:16:19 <salty-horse> (which doesn't work, btw)
09:16:38 <warlord> Oh, it DOES work, but you have to jump through a few hoops to get it to work right.
09:17:05 <warlord> (due to a few bugs)
09:18:08 <salty-horse> i'll ignore it for now
09:22:32 <salty-horse> how do i add notes in the tabular account view?
09:23:34 <jsled> I don't think the notes column is editable, even if it's displayed.
09:24:01 <jsled> No, it totally is. Just double-click on it.
09:24:20 <jsled> Well, not a double-click. click to select, pause, click to edit.
09:24:40 <jsled> (you can get the column with the down-arrow in the upper right corner of the tab.
09:25:55 <warlord> Or you can turn on the 'view double line mode'
09:26:29 <jsled> Heh. By "tabular account view" did you mean the account tree or the view-of-an-account (the "register")
09:26:33 <salty-horse> i can only see it in double line mode?
09:26:38 <jsled> Probably the latter, now that I read the context.
09:26:46 <salty-horse> when i double click an account
09:26:58 <jsled> yeah. The register.
09:27:03 <jsled> nevermind me.
09:28:19 <salty-horse> now i'll try to input my savings accounts
09:33:30 <jsled> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161903
09:33:45 <jsled> (the g-wrap-1.9.7 / glib-2.0 patch issue)
09:41:13 <warlord> heh
09:41:28 <salty-horse> should I ask my bank to support OFX or QIF?
09:41:43 <jsled> they don't support qif, even?
09:42:47 <salty-horse> nope. some people wrote conversion scripts, but they convert the hebrew strings to english (since qif apparently doesn't support encoding?), and i don't like that
09:44:22 <jsled> huh. Interesting question about the encoding.
09:44:29 <jsled> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QIF claims it's ASCII.
09:44:44 <jsled> I wonder if gnucash could have a policy of accepting utf-8, though.
09:45:10 <jsled> (I'm not sure that we would today w/o changes, but...)
09:45:52 <salty-horse> is OFX is generally better?
09:47:22 <jsled> It's more complex, certainly. :)
09:49:04 <jsled> salty-horse: but it does have that relatively rich XML format, so it a) handles encoding and b) can represent more than QIF.
09:51:11 <salty-horse> do you have a list of popular proprietary applications that support the OFX format? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_accounting_software is not so helpful
09:51:29 <jsled> Quicken and Money.
09:51:38 <jsled> Maybe others, but those are the big two.
09:51:59 <salty-horse> ms money?
09:52:10 <jsled> yes.
09:52:33 <jsled> Actually, that's conjecture, but I'd bet that they do.
09:53:50 <salty-horse> jsled, you're probably right: http://money.mvps.org/ofx.aspx
09:55:00 <jsled> yeah. That "created by [...]" line at the top is the stuff.
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11:52:05 <Hawkeye> hi
11:52:41 <Hawkeye> can anyone assist me with finance::quote please?
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12:00:09 <warlord> Hawkeye: not unless you actually ask the question...
12:03:22 <Hawkeye> okay
12:03:44 <Hawkeye> I try to get the courses for a german fund
12:04:01 <Hawkeye> I do have the ISIN Number (DE0007019879 )
12:04:36 <Hawkeye> but none of the sources of gnc-fq-dump gives proper results.
12:05:11 <Hawkeye> it should work with the vwd source, since I con find this fund und www.vwd.de
12:05:29 <Hawkeye> but gnc-fq-dump vwd DE0007019879 gives something like this:
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> gnc-fq-dump vwd DE0007019879Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses: symbol: DE0007019879 (deduced) <=== required date: ** missing ** <=== required currency: ** missing ** <=== required last: <=\ nav: <=== one of these price: <=/
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> timezone: <=== optional
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> ** This stock quote cannot be used by gnucash!!
12:05:49 <Hawkeye> oh, sorry for that last line
12:06:48 <warlord> Hawkeye: hampton would be the best person to answer you.
12:06:57 <Hawkeye> btw. I am using gnucash 2.0.4 on Mac OSX, installed by fink. Finance::Quote has Version 1.13
12:08:11 <Hawkeye> when can I reach him usually?
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12:12:31 <warlord> here.
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12:15:55 <jsled> (and the mailing list[s])
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12:17:06 <Hawkeye> okay, thank you
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12:26:30 <Hawkeye> okay I solved the problem
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12:43:49 * hampton is left wondering what Hawkeye did to fix the problem. :-(
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16:38:21 <xai> Is there a way to adjust payment allocation for multiple invoices ? For some reason it has payment spread accross several invoices even though I specified a specific one.
16:38:57 <xai> This client has been making installment and late payments for a while so they don't match up well with the invoice amounts.
16:56:10 <andi5> Q: was it meant by "unroll" in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ?
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17:51:53 <warlord> xai: It's always FIFO. But you can put ONE specific invoice at the front of the FIFO.
17:52:57 <warlord> andi5: you'll have to ask chris
17:55:09 <andi5> @tell chris what is meant by "unroll" in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ? :-)
17:55:09 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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19:43:53 <warlord> jsled: re: "bugfix".. OOPS! :)
19:46:35 <jsled> indeed. :/
19:47:37 <jsled> I thought about it too, when writing it.
19:51:51 * chris warlord
19:51:51 <gncbot> chris: Sent 1 hour and 56 minutes ago: <andi5> what is meant by unroll in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ? :-)
19:52:15 <chris> Um, that was supposed to be...
19:52:20 * chris waves.
19:52:30 <andi5> lol... *waves back*
19:54:11 <chris> By "unroll" I mean... there are some things swig-wrapped just so they can be called from scm functions that are called from C. So it's a round-trip. In some cases, this can be short-circuited by just calling C-functions from C.
20:04:42 <warlord> LOL. Hi chris.
20:08:05 * hampton waves at everyone
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20:18:50 <chris> Does anyone else find themselves unconsciously attempting tab completions in contexts where it is completely unreasonable to expect it to work?
20:19:30 <warlord> like where?
20:19:46 <hampton> You mean tab com<tab> doesn't work ever<tab>?
20:20:36 <chris> pretty much. I think it's a disease or something.
20:21:26 <chris> It's like my pinky just figures it never hurts to try every few characters.
20:21:32 <warlord> oooh.... tab cooties!
20:25:17 * hampton needs to fix the price and commodity editors....
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20:25:34 <hampton> I hate it when new releases of underlying libraries introduce bugs. :-(
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20:26:26 <warlord> one man's bug is another man's feature?
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22:35:28 <xai> warlord-afk: for some reason, the client payments are distributed among invoices in a non FIFO way..
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06:15:31 <salog> hi, i couldnt find in the docs howto setup a bond. under which category should I file a new account for my bond?
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08:01:46 <salty-horse> hi. i've just started using gnucash. my credit card withdrew money from my bank account for last month, but i don't want to fill in the specific transactions i made with my credit card for last month. how should I report them?
08:19:50 <jsled> salty-horse: Maybe a single transaction against {Expenses:I don't care to itemize} for the full balance?
08:20:18 <jsled> s/full balance/full month's transactions/
08:20:46 <salty-horse> shouldn't it be some kind of "opening balance" like i did with my bank account?
08:21:18 <jsled> Oh, if it's an opening balance, sure.
08:21:41 <jsled> Sorry ... I've coffee in front of me, but I've not had even a sip, yet.
08:22:05 <jsled> Yeah, an opening CC balance is just like any other, against Equity:OB.
08:22:42 <salty-horse> but this is money i owe the credit card company.. not money that i have (=equity)
08:23:05 <jsled> It'll be negative equity, but it's still against the equity account.
08:23:46 <jsled> e.g., if you had $100 to your name in Assets and $100 in CC debt, the Equity account balance would be $0 after both transactions.
08:23:59 <jsled> s/e.g./i.e./
08:24:02 <salty-horse> ah
08:24:02 <salty-horse> sec
08:27:45 <salty-horse> in the accounts window, is everything supposed to appear balanced as "total: 0"?
08:28:43 <jsled> salty-horse: nope.
08:29:01 <salty-horse> specifically, i created an expense account called "bank commissions", and put in some transactions that decreased my account. will it always appear red with a minus amount?
08:29:38 <jsled> Unless you've changed the "sign reversal" preference, Expense accounts should be positive.
08:30:21 <jsled> (The pref is Edit > Prefereces > Accounts > Reverse Balanced Accounts", and should be "Credit accounts".,
08:30:24 <jsled> )
08:30:43 <jsled> So, you might have those transactions backwards.
08:31:37 <salty-horse> i have the "reverse credit accounts" option
08:31:59 <salty-horse> bank commission is a liability, no?
08:32:45 <jsled> I'd guess it an Expense. What is it, exactly?
08:33:10 <salty-horse> my bad :)
08:34:27 <jsled> Is that commission as part of a stock trade?
08:35:13 <salty-horse> nope. regular bank/credit commissions
08:35:24 <jsled> Like service fees?
08:35:27 <salty-horse> yes
08:35:38 <jsled> Ah. Yeah, definitely Expenses.
08:35:48 <salty-horse> withdrawal commissions from ATMs
08:37:08 <jsled> I guess the account hierarchies don't have it, but {Expenses:Financal:Bank of Example Fees} wouldn't be unreasonable.
08:37:37 <salty-horse> i'm using a custom hierarchy (via the FAQ)
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08:37:48 <salty-horse> (the guide: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/)
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08:37:55 <warlord> or just Expenses:Bank Fees
08:38:35 <salty-horse> that's exactly what i did
08:40:42 <salty-horse> what if i usually pay for things on my credit card with dollars, but the credit company charges me with a local currency? the conversion rates change daily. can gnucash manage that?
08:41:29 <warlord> Unless you REALLY care about how much you spent in the local currency I'd just ignore it.
08:42:34 <salty-horse> but then i can't correctly compare the data i feed in expenses against the credit charge at the end of the month
08:45:17 <warlord> Maybe I didn't understand the question.. When I travel internationally and use my credit card, I see both the "local" currency and the "USD" value based on that day's exchange rate.. And I just pay the USD amount. So the amount in local currency is mostly irrelevant to me.
08:47:00 <warlord> (I see it on my bill)
08:55:54 <salty-horse> in the credit card statement, but not in the bank statement near the credit card charge
08:57:00 <warlord> The bank statement?
08:57:48 <salty-horse> you pay for something with credit dollars, and then the credit company charges your bank in the local currency
08:58:05 <warlord> I've never heard of such a thing.
08:58:33 <salty-horse> i pay my credit company through my bank account
08:59:28 <warlord> That's pretty standard.
08:59:37 <warlord> why don't you run me through a whole cycle?
08:59:48 <warlord> (from charge to final payment)
09:05:20 <salty-horse> i order something from amazon for $50. i want to report it in gnucash as $50. when i get my credit statement, i see those $50 alongside the local currency 80 gold pieces - the real charge. i want to fill that in gnucash too (preferrably in the same transaction). a few days later, i see that the credit card company charged my bank account for those converted 80 gold pieces, plus other purchases i made that month
09:07:32 <salty-horse> i tried setting an expense account as dollars, and set a conversion rate in tools->price editor (it should be automatic) but it appeared in my credit card account (set to the local currency) as unconverted. i'm using gnucash 2.0.1 - is this a bug i should report?
09:11:41 <warlord> Okay... So your example at least jives with me.. The credit card expense is in, e.g. ¥ but gets converted to $ and then I pay the CC in $. In this case, I wouldn't even record the amount of ¥ (except maybe in the description, memo, or notes field).
09:12:41 <salty-horse> so you wouldn't record the expense? because i don't really know which conversion rate the credit card company will use when it charges me
09:13:34 <warlord> No no no no no... I record the expense.. But I record it in /my/ currency ($) and not the local currency where the purchase was made (¥).
09:14:18 <warlord> So I'm visiting Japan and pay 1000¥ for breakfast. I'd make a guess and say $10.. Then I'd correct the actual amount when I see the CC bill.
09:14:29 <warlord> So my accounts are all in USD.
09:14:52 <warlord> I can say "1000¥" in the txn description, memo, or notes if I want to remember..
09:15:04 <salty-horse> got it: "Then I'd correct the actual amount when I see the CC bill."
09:15:12 <warlord> But I dont really want (or need) to keep track of how much ¥ I've spent.
09:15:18 <salty-horse> i'll use notes :)
09:16:14 <salty-horse> so i'm not using gnucash's conversion rates mechanism at all
09:16:19 <salty-horse> (which doesn't work, btw)
09:16:38 <warlord> Oh, it DOES work, but you have to jump through a few hoops to get it to work right.
09:17:05 <warlord> (due to a few bugs)
09:18:08 <salty-horse> i'll ignore it for now
09:22:32 <salty-horse> how do i add notes in the tabular account view?
09:23:34 <jsled> I don't think the notes column is editable, even if it's displayed.
09:24:01 <jsled> No, it totally is. Just double-click on it.
09:24:20 <jsled> Well, not a double-click. click to select, pause, click to edit.
09:24:40 <jsled> (you can get the column with the down-arrow in the upper right corner of the tab.
09:25:55 <warlord> Or you can turn on the 'view double line mode'
09:26:29 <jsled> Heh. By "tabular account view" did you mean the account tree or the view-of-an-account (the "register")
09:26:33 <salty-horse> i can only see it in double line mode?
09:26:38 <jsled> Probably the latter, now that I read the context.
09:26:46 <salty-horse> when i double click an account
09:26:58 <jsled> yeah. The register.
09:27:03 <jsled> nevermind me.
09:28:19 <salty-horse> now i'll try to input my savings accounts
09:33:30 <jsled> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161903
09:33:45 <jsled> (the g-wrap-1.9.7 / glib-2.0 patch issue)
09:41:13 <warlord> heh
09:41:28 <salty-horse> should I ask my bank to support OFX or QIF?
09:41:43 <jsled> they don't support qif, even?
09:42:47 <salty-horse> nope. some people wrote conversion scripts, but they convert the hebrew strings to english (since qif apparently doesn't support encoding?), and i don't like that
09:44:22 <jsled> huh. Interesting question about the encoding.
09:44:29 <jsled> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QIF claims it's ASCII.
09:44:44 <jsled> I wonder if gnucash could have a policy of accepting utf-8, though.
09:45:10 <jsled> (I'm not sure that we would today w/o changes, but...)
09:45:52 <salty-horse> is OFX is generally better?
09:47:22 <jsled> It's more complex, certainly. :)
09:49:04 <jsled> salty-horse: but it does have that relatively rich XML format, so it a) handles encoding and b) can represent more than QIF.
09:51:11 <salty-horse> do you have a list of popular proprietary applications that support the OFX format? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_accounting_software is not so helpful
09:51:29 <jsled> Quicken and Money.
09:51:38 <jsled> Maybe others, but those are the big two.
09:51:59 <salty-horse> ms money?
09:52:10 <jsled> yes.
09:52:33 <jsled> Actually, that's conjecture, but I'd bet that they do.
09:53:50 <salty-horse> jsled, you're probably right: http://money.mvps.org/ofx.aspx
09:55:00 <jsled> yeah. That "created by [...]" line at the top is the stuff.
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11:52:05 <Hawkeye> hi
11:52:41 <Hawkeye> can anyone assist me with finance::quote please?
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12:00:09 <warlord> Hawkeye: not unless you actually ask the question...
12:03:22 <Hawkeye> okay
12:03:44 <Hawkeye> I try to get the courses for a german fund
12:04:01 <Hawkeye> I do have the ISIN Number (DE0007019879 )
12:04:36 <Hawkeye> but none of the sources of gnc-fq-dump gives proper results.
12:05:11 <Hawkeye> it should work with the vwd source, since I con find this fund und www.vwd.de
12:05:29 <Hawkeye> but gnc-fq-dump vwd DE0007019879 gives something like this:
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> gnc-fq-dump vwd DE0007019879Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses: symbol: DE0007019879 (deduced) <=== required date: ** missing ** <=== required currency: ** missing ** <=== required last: <=\ nav: <=== one of these price: <=/
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> timezone: <=== optional
12:05:37 <Hawkeye> ** This stock quote cannot be used by gnucash!!
12:05:49 <Hawkeye> oh, sorry for that last line
12:06:48 <warlord> Hawkeye: hampton would be the best person to answer you.
12:06:57 <Hawkeye> btw. I am using gnucash 2.0.4 on Mac OSX, installed by fink. Finance::Quote has Version 1.13
12:08:11 <Hawkeye> when can I reach him usually?
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12:12:31 <warlord> here.
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12:15:55 <jsled> (and the mailing list[s])
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12:17:06 <Hawkeye> okay, thank you
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12:26:30 <Hawkeye> okay I solved the problem
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12:43:49 * hampton is left wondering what Hawkeye did to fix the problem. :-(
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16:38:21 <xai> Is there a way to adjust payment allocation for multiple invoices ? For some reason it has payment spread accross several invoices even though I specified a specific one.
16:38:57 <xai> This client has been making installment and late payments for a while so they don't match up well with the invoice amounts.
16:56:10 <andi5> Q: was it meant by "unroll" in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ?
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17:51:53 <warlord> xai: It's always FIFO. But you can put ONE specific invoice at the front of the FIFO.
17:52:57 <warlord> andi5: you'll have to ask chris
17:55:09 <andi5> @tell chris what is meant by "unroll" in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ? :-)
17:55:09 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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19:43:53 <warlord> jsled: re: "bugfix".. OOPS! :)
19:46:35 <jsled> indeed. :/
19:47:37 <jsled> I thought about it too, when writing it.
19:51:51 * chris warlord
19:51:51 <gncbot> chris: Sent 1 hour and 56 minutes ago: <andi5> what is meant by unroll in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/engine.i#L101 ? :-)
19:52:15 <chris> Um, that was supposed to be...
19:52:20 * chris waves.
19:52:30 <andi5> lol... *waves back*
19:54:11 <chris> By "unroll" I mean... there are some things swig-wrapped just so they can be called from scm functions that are called from C. So it's a round-trip. In some cases, this can be short-circuited by just calling C-functions from C.
20:04:42 <warlord> LOL. Hi chris.
20:08:05 * hampton waves at everyone
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20:18:50 <chris> Does anyone else find themselves unconsciously attempting tab completions in contexts where it is completely unreasonable to expect it to work?
20:19:30 <warlord> like where?
20:19:46 <hampton> You mean tab com<tab> doesn't work ever<tab>?
20:20:36 <chris> pretty much. I think it's a disease or something.
20:21:26 <chris> It's like my pinky just figures it never hurts to try every few characters.
20:21:32 <warlord> oooh.... tab cooties!
20:25:17 * hampton needs to fix the price and commodity editors....
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20:25:34 <hampton> I hate it when new releases of underlying libraries introduce bugs. :-(
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20:26:26 <warlord> one man's bug is another man's feature?
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22:35:28 <xai> warlord-afk: for some reason, the client payments are distributed among invoices in a non FIFO way..
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