2007-01-11 GnuCash IRC logs
00:10:07 <hampton> night all
00:10:09 <warlord> night
00:10:11 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
00:10:13 *** hampton has left #gnucash
00:26:04 *** benoitg has joined #gnucash
00:30:40 *** piku has left #gnucash
00:43:33 *** xraphael has joined #gnucash
00:45:47 *** xraphael has left #gnucash
01:30:22 *** motin has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** ceplma has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** MacGyver has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** pacman has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** BC^bd has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** elb_ has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** Def has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** rauch has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** jsled has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** conrad has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
01:30:25 *** wizkid238 has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** motin has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** MacGyver has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** elb_ has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** BC^bd has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** pacman has joined #gnucash
01:30:36 *** conrad has joined #gnucash
01:30:36 *** gncbot sets mode: +o conrad
01:30:46 *** jsled has joined #gnucash
01:30:47 *** gncbot sets mode: +o jsled
01:30:57 *** rauch has joined #gnucash
01:31:05 *** Def has joined #gnucash
03:31:47 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
03:32:03 *** benoitg has left #gnucash
03:34:10 *** RallyU has joined #gnucash
03:54:05 *** ceplma has quit IRC
04:02:37 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
04:58:05 *** motin has quit IRC
05:55:32 *** cstim has joined #gnucash
05:55:33 *** gncbot sets mode: +o cstim
05:58:28 <cstim> warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394783 has a QIF crash in 2.0.4 with example file; maybe you can have a look :-)
06:11:11 *** RallyU has quit IRC
06:15:44 *** tortho has joined #gnucash
06:29:06 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
06:37:37 *** tortho has quit IRC
06:38:45 *** twunder has quit IRC
06:56:11 *** ceplma has quit IRC
07:34:15 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
07:39:42 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
08:00:13 *** twunder has quit IRC
08:39:34 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
08:39:50 <warlord> cstim: I think that's a utf8/iso character issue.
08:43:50 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:44:46 <cstim> uh oh
08:48:05 *** twunder has quit IRC
08:54:56 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:58:57 <warlord> I can't reproduce it here. That test-qif worked for me.
08:59:55 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
09:05:46 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
09:07:17 *** twunder has quit IRC
09:12:00 *** mnoir has quit IRC
09:16:23 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
09:44:33 <jsled> Grr. Stupid compiles that need a terminal.
09:44:50 <jsled> Well, ./configures, that is.
09:45:01 <jsled> (guile-1.6.7, in this case)
09:57:23 <warlord> Heh
10:04:05 *** aphexer has joined #gnucash
10:06:00 <aphexer> I want to make a scheduled transaction, which I'll actually use as a reminder. Some client has paid for one year, and I want it to remind me when this one year is over (so I can create a new bill at that time etc). Since I updated gnucash to 2.0.2 I'm having trouble creating such a scheduled transaction which runs 'once'. It always warns me that 'it'll never run'
10:06:14 <jsled> Hmm.
10:06:15 * jsled tries
10:06:52 <aphexer> when i click 'yes i'm sure, create it', i get back to the list of scheduled transactions and in the frequency colomns it says: 'Once: ' (without a date after it.
10:07:08 <jsled> but "Next occurrence" has the right date...
10:07:20 <aphexer> In the next occurence column it says a date about one week after the date i set
10:07:51 <cstim> aphexer: which language/locale do you use?
10:07:55 <aphexer> i set to 27 april 2007, and in the list it displays: 05/11/2007
10:08:14 <aphexer> cstim, well as far as i know my whole system speaks english
10:08:41 <jsled> Woah.
10:08:42 <cstim> aphexer: ok. I was asking because of your *.be DNS name.
10:08:49 <jsled> yeah, that's just broken. :(
10:09:00 <aphexer> yeah, i speak dutch, but i don't use any locale stuff
10:09:16 <aphexer> jsled, ah you can confirm it? it's a bug? not me doing something stupid here?:)
10:09:42 *** simone has joined #gnucash
10:09:42 <jsled> It seems to work fine for me for today, and one year from now. But, as you say: 4/27/2007 -> 5/11/2007 (2 weeks later, in fact)
10:09:57 <aphexer> jsled, i've tried many times with different dates
10:10:02 <aphexer> none worked
10:10:21 <aphexer> but that may just be random luck/bad luck
10:10:30 <warlord> jsled: well, I bet it's choosing 'today'. I bet if you changed the computer's date to tomorrow, it would select 5/12..
10:10:54 <jsled> warlord: I'd be your right.
10:11:10 <jsled> aphexer: can you file a bug, please?
10:11:27 <jsled> aphexer: I'll see about adding a unit test for this in the sx cleanup branch.
10:11:28 <aphexer> i suppose yes :)
10:11:35 <aphexer> great
10:13:06 <jsled> In the mean time, a monthly (x12) sx set to start on 4/27/2007 seems to work, with the drawback that you'll have to delete it after that, of course.
10:16:09 <aphexer> ok, i'll use that in the mean while
10:16:24 <aphexer> i'm filing the bug :) might take a while to make a nice report with screenshots :)
10:16:38 <jsled> heh. two sentences should suffice. :)
10:16:52 <aphexer> if you say so :) well you were able to confirm it quite rapidly
10:21:12 <aphexer> jsled, it's filed:)
10:22:24 <jsled> thx
10:23:21 <aphexer> any idea how long it will take for a new release with the bug fixed? and when a new release is made, how long would ubuntu take to update it's packages?
10:23:32 <aphexer> i would have no idea on whether this is weeks months or maybe a year
10:23:37 <aphexer> all together:)
10:25:08 <jsled> Probably 6 months. That cleanup branch would fold into trunk, which'll become 2.2, and there's been noise about doing 2.1.x's soon. So, I WAG that 2.2 will be out in spring, and packaged shortly after that.
10:25:24 <jsled> (since it's won't be a major re-packaging over 2.0.x)
10:25:50 <aphexer> ok:)
10:26:57 *** sykesdev has joined #gnucash
10:27:45 <sykesdev> hello gnucash-ers ;)
10:28:11 <sykesdev> I have a small problem with gnucash2, can someone please advise...
10:28:34 <sykesdev> my Credit Card account seems to be working in reverse...
10:29:17 <sykesdev> when I enter a payment from checking account to credit card, the cc account balance reduces rather than increasing.
10:29:36 <sykesdev> is there an obvious newbie gotcha for this?
10:30:20 <jsled> sykesdev: we deliberately reverse sign on credit card accounts (via a preference)
10:30:35 *** aphexer has quit IRC
10:30:46 <jsled> sykesdev: most people want to see their credit-card balance as positive.
10:32:19 <warlord> sykesdev: you can change that behavior in the Preferences.
10:32:43 <cstim> sykesdev: usually the money in the credit card refers to the amount that you owe to the cc company. So once you enter a payment, the money that you owe them is reduced.
10:32:44 <jsled> The "Accounts" tab, "Reverse Balanced Accounts".
10:34:17 <sykesdev> jsled: thank you
10:34:50 <sykesdev> this may be more of an indication of my ignorance of accounting than anything, but, can someone help with this scenario...
10:35:03 <sykesdev> CC starts at 0.0
10:35:36 <sykesdev> payment from checking for £100
10:35:42 <sykesdev> balance -£100
10:35:45 <sykesdev> payment from checking for £100
10:35:48 <sykesdev> balance -£200
10:36:02 <sykesdev> payment from loan £1000
10:36:08 <sykesdev> balance £800
10:36:27 <sykesdev> it looks like payments in are making the balance go in both directions...
10:37:20 <warlord> "payment from loan"?
10:37:41 *** simone has quit IRC
10:38:09 <sykesdev> £1000 from loan to CC
10:38:43 <warlord> So someone is loaning you money to pay off your Credit Card? Why? Your credit card has no balance here!
10:39:49 *** simone has joined #gnucash
10:40:19 <sykesdev> yes, I know, payments out haven't been entered yet ;)
10:40:38 <sykesdev> but I want to get payments in going in a single direction before I make it any more confusing!
10:40:42 <jsled> Oh. Then you're got that transaction backwards.
10:40:52 <warlord> Yeah, you've got the Loan transaction backwards.
10:41:47 <warlord> If you're using a loan to pay a CC then the Loan will INCREASE and the CC will DECREASE (in the standard GnuCash settings)
10:42:11 <sykesdev> ah ha!!!!
10:42:13 <warlord> (whereas if you're paying the CC from a checking account, both accounts will decrease)
10:42:47 <sykesdev> finally my poor head grasps reversed signs on liabilities :)
10:42:48 <warlord> All Liability Accounts are reversed -- they tell you how much you owe.. So when you draw on a loan your loan increases..
10:43:13 <warlord> when you PAY a liability, it decreases.
10:43:21 <warlord> All of this is (or SHOULD be) in the Gnucash docs.
10:44:06 <sykesdev> yes, it is, I just needed a human to walk me through my example
10:44:24 <sykesdev> I have RTFM, but it's not all sunk in yet ;)
10:44:33 <warlord> okay
10:44:53 <sykesdev> thank you for your patience.
10:45:22 <warlord> NP
10:52:25 *** sykesdev has left #gnucash
11:00:38 *** mnoir has quit IRC
11:14:03 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
11:35:27 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
11:44:24 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
11:50:23 *** wizkid238 has joined #gnucash
11:50:46 *** esodan has joined #gnucash
11:56:19 *** cstim has quit IRC
12:00:23 *** Demitar has quit IRC
12:03:45 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
12:11:27 *** simone has left #gnucash
12:31:46 *** ErKa has quit IRC
12:47:13 *** andi5 has joined #gnucash
12:47:13 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
12:48:20 *** dwery has quit IRC
12:48:30 <andi5> hi... looking at #395325 i wonder why we use "selection changed" to detect single clicks in the qif import druid instead of "row-activated"... what is the reasoning? :)
12:53:09 *** Demitar has quit IRC
13:00:43 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
13:01:30 <warlord> I have no idea. That code was written before even *I* started working on GnuCash..
13:01:43 <andi5> say OLD
13:01:43 <warlord> So the G2 port probably just copied it.
13:03:17 <andi5> do you think that changing this behavior from single to double clicks is reasonable for 2.2? .. that way one can finally change the matching for a single account from a list of length one without having to restart the druid (at least i cannot see another way)
13:03:49 *** dwery has joined #gnucash
13:07:41 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
13:08:26 <warlord> I think that's fine.. Just be sure to update the documentation too ;)
13:11:48 <andi5> yes, will do
13:12:05 *** andi5 has quit IRC
13:18:01 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
13:19:07 *** slicslak has joined #gnucash
13:24:55 <magenpie> hello all
13:25:18 <magenpie> i'm going to reinstall debian and i want to make sure that i save the correct gnucash files...
13:25:38 <magenpie> from today i have two .log files and one gzip file
13:26:05 <magenpie> would that be all i need when i reinstall gnucash?
13:26:22 <magenpie> i probably only need the latest .log file?
13:26:27 <magenpie> and the gzip
13:27:19 <jsled> The gzip is your datafile. That's the primary file you want. The log files are nice to have. Also, your ~/.gnucash directory is a nice-to-have.
13:27:28 <jsled> (as it includes saved report state)
13:28:26 <magenpie> ok, thanks
13:28:51 <warlord> magenpie: you want ~/.gnucash ~/.gnome2 and your data file. You dont need the .log files.
13:30:06 <magenpie> ok
13:31:32 <magenpie> what's in the /.gnome2?
13:31:57 <magenpie> that i would need for gnucash...
13:33:51 <warlord> Oh. Huh. Maybe it's not used anymore.
13:35:19 <warlord> Oh, also... All your preferences are in your gconf settings.
13:36:26 <magenpie> got it...thanks
13:54:50 *** sjc has joined #gnucash
14:31:54 *** MacIver has joined #gnucash
14:32:23 *** MacGyver has quit IRC
14:36:11 *** jebrown has joined #gnucash
14:38:59 *** jebrown has quit IRC
15:16:27 *** ergo has joined #gnucash
15:16:31 <ergo> hi
15:16:47 <jsled> hello
15:17:35 <ergo> where do I find the "Kundensystem-ID"?
15:17:54 *** sjc_ has joined #gnucash
15:19:04 <warlord> ergo: No idea. what is it in English?
15:19:12 <jsled> Is that an HBCI thing?
15:19:21 <ergo> yes
15:19:53 <ergo> GnuCash already connects successfully to the bank, my certificates are there
15:20:37 <ergo> but the error message says "customer system id not valid"
15:21:03 <jsled> I don't know anything about HBCI, sorry. Your best bet is probably the gnucash-de mailing list.
15:21:26 <ergo> I've already written a mail
15:21:40 <ergo> just wanted to test if it's getting faster here ;-)
15:23:13 <warlord> ergo: I dont see cstim here. He's pretty much the only person here who could answer.
15:23:31 <ergo> warlord: thank you :)
15:23:43 <warlord> you're welcome
15:25:10 *** sjc has quit IRC
15:28:34 *** magenpie has quit IRC
15:30:02 *** esodan has quit IRC
15:32:44 <ergo> bye
15:32:48 *** ergo has quit IRC
15:48:58 *** magenpie has joined #gnucash
16:00:25 *** andi5 has joined #gnucash
16:00:25 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
16:51:04 *** dgdgdg has joined #gnucash
16:52:53 <dgdgdg> During reconciliation a few months ago I somehow missed a trasanction (or I selected the wrong one) and it has come to haunt me now. Is there a way to fix this?
16:53:23 <warlord> should that txn be reconciled as of now?
16:54:22 <dgdgdg> Yes.
16:55:39 <warlord> Then just run the reconciliation process, ignore the starting balance, set the correct ending balance, just go ahead and make sure everything is marked reconciled that should be...
16:55:53 <warlord> Or are you saying that you marked a txn as reconciled that SHOULDN'T be, even now?
16:56:55 <dgdgdg> It was supposed to be reconciled in November. So it has remained outstanding an unnoticed since then. It's marked as N and should be Y.
17:00:12 <warlord> Then do what I just suggested.
17:01:41 <dgdgdg> Aha! I see what you mean. Back in November I selected the wrong transaction. Now, I need to select the wrong one again. Two wrongs = one right.
17:02:06 *** twunder has quit IRC
17:02:20 <warlord> Basically, yes.
17:04:16 <dgdgdg> Thank you so much for you help :)
17:05:17 <warlord> you're welcome
17:06:27 *** dgdgdg has left #gnucash
17:28:49 <andi5> warlord: qif-import is your domain... feel free to stone me if i trashed it with r15336 :) ... or even better, let gncbot do it ;)
17:29:20 <warlord> ok
17:29:51 <andi5> good... see you! (in hell? who knows)
17:30:29 *** andi5 has quit IRC
17:35:06 <warlord> heh
17:44:09 *** ErKa has quit IRC
18:00:36 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
18:14:37 *** |gunni| has joined #gnucash
18:33:59 *** Demitar has quit IRC
18:54:40 *** |gunni| has quit IRC
19:15:35 *** kbgrimes has joined #gnucash
20:03:25 *** mnoir has quit IRC
20:17:37 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
20:29:36 *** mnoir has quit IRC
20:59:03 <chris> man I hate this register.
20:59:24 <chris> Is is possible to make the memo field narrower?
20:59:50 <chris> seems like I can shrink every field but that one.
21:06:54 *** sjc_ has quit IRC
21:17:58 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
22:11:46 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
22:14:58 <elb_> ahh, classic open source user
22:27:59 <jsled> elb_: who's that?
22:41:47 <elb_> at first glance, i thought chris
22:41:55 <elb_> then I realized he might conceivably be doing something about it ;-)
22:48:51 *** twunder has quit IRC
22:49:58 *** jpeach has joined #gnucash
22:50:06 *** jpeach has left #gnucash
00:10:07 <hampton> night all
00:10:09 <warlord> night
00:10:11 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
00:10:13 *** hampton has left #gnucash
00:26:04 *** benoitg has joined #gnucash
00:30:40 *** piku has left #gnucash
00:43:33 *** xraphael has joined #gnucash
00:45:47 *** xraphael has left #gnucash
01:30:22 *** motin has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** ceplma has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** MacGyver has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** pacman has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** BC^bd has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** elb_ has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** Def has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** rauch has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** jsled has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** conrad has quit IRC
01:30:22 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
01:30:25 *** wizkid238 has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** motin has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** MacGyver has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** elb_ has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** BC^bd has joined #gnucash
01:30:34 *** pacman has joined #gnucash
01:30:36 *** conrad has joined #gnucash
01:30:36 *** gncbot sets mode: +o conrad
01:30:46 *** jsled has joined #gnucash
01:30:47 *** gncbot sets mode: +o jsled
01:30:57 *** rauch has joined #gnucash
01:31:05 *** Def has joined #gnucash
03:31:47 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
03:32:03 *** benoitg has left #gnucash
03:34:10 *** RallyU has joined #gnucash
03:54:05 *** ceplma has quit IRC
04:02:37 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
04:58:05 *** motin has quit IRC
05:55:32 *** cstim has joined #gnucash
05:55:33 *** gncbot sets mode: +o cstim
05:58:28 <cstim> warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394783 has a QIF crash in 2.0.4 with example file; maybe you can have a look :-)
06:11:11 *** RallyU has quit IRC
06:15:44 *** tortho has joined #gnucash
06:29:06 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
06:37:37 *** tortho has quit IRC
06:38:45 *** twunder has quit IRC
06:56:11 *** ceplma has quit IRC
07:34:15 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
07:39:42 *** ceplma has joined #gnucash
08:00:13 *** twunder has quit IRC
08:39:34 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
08:39:50 <warlord> cstim: I think that's a utf8/iso character issue.
08:43:50 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:44:46 <cstim> uh oh
08:48:05 *** twunder has quit IRC
08:54:56 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:58:57 <warlord> I can't reproduce it here. That test-qif worked for me.
08:59:55 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
09:05:46 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
09:07:17 *** twunder has quit IRC
09:12:00 *** mnoir has quit IRC
09:16:23 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
09:44:33 <jsled> Grr. Stupid compiles that need a terminal.
09:44:50 <jsled> Well, ./configures, that is.
09:45:01 <jsled> (guile-1.6.7, in this case)
09:57:23 <warlord> Heh
10:04:05 *** aphexer has joined #gnucash
10:06:00 <aphexer> I want to make a scheduled transaction, which I'll actually use as a reminder. Some client has paid for one year, and I want it to remind me when this one year is over (so I can create a new bill at that time etc). Since I updated gnucash to 2.0.2 I'm having trouble creating such a scheduled transaction which runs 'once'. It always warns me that 'it'll never run'
10:06:14 <jsled> Hmm.
10:06:15 * jsled tries
10:06:52 <aphexer> when i click 'yes i'm sure, create it', i get back to the list of scheduled transactions and in the frequency colomns it says: 'Once: ' (without a date after it.
10:07:08 <jsled> but "Next occurrence" has the right date...
10:07:20 <aphexer> In the next occurence column it says a date about one week after the date i set
10:07:51 <cstim> aphexer: which language/locale do you use?
10:07:55 <aphexer> i set to 27 april 2007, and in the list it displays: 05/11/2007
10:08:14 <aphexer> cstim, well as far as i know my whole system speaks english
10:08:41 <jsled> Woah.
10:08:42 <cstim> aphexer: ok. I was asking because of your *.be DNS name.
10:08:49 <jsled> yeah, that's just broken. :(
10:09:00 <aphexer> yeah, i speak dutch, but i don't use any locale stuff
10:09:16 <aphexer> jsled, ah you can confirm it? it's a bug? not me doing something stupid here?:)
10:09:42 *** simone has joined #gnucash
10:09:42 <jsled> It seems to work fine for me for today, and one year from now. But, as you say: 4/27/2007 -> 5/11/2007 (2 weeks later, in fact)
10:09:57 <aphexer> jsled, i've tried many times with different dates
10:10:02 <aphexer> none worked
10:10:21 <aphexer> but that may just be random luck/bad luck
10:10:30 <warlord> jsled: well, I bet it's choosing 'today'. I bet if you changed the computer's date to tomorrow, it would select 5/12..
10:10:54 <jsled> warlord: I'd be your right.
10:11:10 <jsled> aphexer: can you file a bug, please?
10:11:27 <jsled> aphexer: I'll see about adding a unit test for this in the sx cleanup branch.
10:11:28 <aphexer> i suppose yes :)
10:11:35 <aphexer> great
10:13:06 <jsled> In the mean time, a monthly (x12) sx set to start on 4/27/2007 seems to work, with the drawback that you'll have to delete it after that, of course.
10:16:09 <aphexer> ok, i'll use that in the mean while
10:16:24 <aphexer> i'm filing the bug :) might take a while to make a nice report with screenshots :)
10:16:38 <jsled> heh. two sentences should suffice. :)
10:16:52 <aphexer> if you say so :) well you were able to confirm it quite rapidly
10:21:12 <aphexer> jsled, it's filed:)
10:22:24 <jsled> thx
10:23:21 <aphexer> any idea how long it will take for a new release with the bug fixed? and when a new release is made, how long would ubuntu take to update it's packages?
10:23:32 <aphexer> i would have no idea on whether this is weeks months or maybe a year
10:23:37 <aphexer> all together:)
10:25:08 <jsled> Probably 6 months. That cleanup branch would fold into trunk, which'll become 2.2, and there's been noise about doing 2.1.x's soon. So, I WAG that 2.2 will be out in spring, and packaged shortly after that.
10:25:24 <jsled> (since it's won't be a major re-packaging over 2.0.x)
10:25:50 <aphexer> ok:)
10:26:57 *** sykesdev has joined #gnucash
10:27:45 <sykesdev> hello gnucash-ers ;)
10:28:11 <sykesdev> I have a small problem with gnucash2, can someone please advise...
10:28:34 <sykesdev> my Credit Card account seems to be working in reverse...
10:29:17 <sykesdev> when I enter a payment from checking account to credit card, the cc account balance reduces rather than increasing.
10:29:36 <sykesdev> is there an obvious newbie gotcha for this?
10:30:20 <jsled> sykesdev: we deliberately reverse sign on credit card accounts (via a preference)
10:30:35 *** aphexer has quit IRC
10:30:46 <jsled> sykesdev: most people want to see their credit-card balance as positive.
10:32:19 <warlord> sykesdev: you can change that behavior in the Preferences.
10:32:43 <cstim> sykesdev: usually the money in the credit card refers to the amount that you owe to the cc company. So once you enter a payment, the money that you owe them is reduced.
10:32:44 <jsled> The "Accounts" tab, "Reverse Balanced Accounts".
10:34:17 <sykesdev> jsled: thank you
10:34:50 <sykesdev> this may be more of an indication of my ignorance of accounting than anything, but, can someone help with this scenario...
10:35:03 <sykesdev> CC starts at 0.0
10:35:36 <sykesdev> payment from checking for £100
10:35:42 <sykesdev> balance -£100
10:35:45 <sykesdev> payment from checking for £100
10:35:48 <sykesdev> balance -£200
10:36:02 <sykesdev> payment from loan £1000
10:36:08 <sykesdev> balance £800
10:36:27 <sykesdev> it looks like payments in are making the balance go in both directions...
10:37:20 <warlord> "payment from loan"?
10:37:41 *** simone has quit IRC
10:38:09 <sykesdev> £1000 from loan to CC
10:38:43 <warlord> So someone is loaning you money to pay off your Credit Card? Why? Your credit card has no balance here!
10:39:49 *** simone has joined #gnucash
10:40:19 <sykesdev> yes, I know, payments out haven't been entered yet ;)
10:40:38 <sykesdev> but I want to get payments in going in a single direction before I make it any more confusing!
10:40:42 <jsled> Oh. Then you're got that transaction backwards.
10:40:52 <warlord> Yeah, you've got the Loan transaction backwards.
10:41:47 <warlord> If you're using a loan to pay a CC then the Loan will INCREASE and the CC will DECREASE (in the standard GnuCash settings)
10:42:11 <sykesdev> ah ha!!!!
10:42:13 <warlord> (whereas if you're paying the CC from a checking account, both accounts will decrease)
10:42:47 <sykesdev> finally my poor head grasps reversed signs on liabilities :)
10:42:48 <warlord> All Liability Accounts are reversed -- they tell you how much you owe.. So when you draw on a loan your loan increases..
10:43:13 <warlord> when you PAY a liability, it decreases.
10:43:21 <warlord> All of this is (or SHOULD be) in the Gnucash docs.
10:44:06 <sykesdev> yes, it is, I just needed a human to walk me through my example
10:44:24 <sykesdev> I have RTFM, but it's not all sunk in yet ;)
10:44:33 <warlord> okay
10:44:53 <sykesdev> thank you for your patience.
10:45:22 <warlord> NP
10:52:25 *** sykesdev has left #gnucash
11:00:38 *** mnoir has quit IRC
11:14:03 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
11:35:27 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
11:44:24 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
11:50:23 *** wizkid238 has joined #gnucash
11:50:46 *** esodan has joined #gnucash
11:56:19 *** cstim has quit IRC
12:00:23 *** Demitar has quit IRC
12:03:45 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
12:11:27 *** simone has left #gnucash
12:31:46 *** ErKa has quit IRC
12:47:13 *** andi5 has joined #gnucash
12:47:13 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
12:48:20 *** dwery has quit IRC
12:48:30 <andi5> hi... looking at #395325 i wonder why we use "selection changed" to detect single clicks in the qif import druid instead of "row-activated"... what is the reasoning? :)
12:53:09 *** Demitar has quit IRC
13:00:43 *** wizkid238 has quit IRC
13:01:30 <warlord> I have no idea. That code was written before even *I* started working on GnuCash..
13:01:43 <andi5> say OLD
13:01:43 <warlord> So the G2 port probably just copied it.
13:03:17 <andi5> do you think that changing this behavior from single to double clicks is reasonable for 2.2? .. that way one can finally change the matching for a single account from a list of length one without having to restart the druid (at least i cannot see another way)
13:03:49 *** dwery has joined #gnucash
13:07:41 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
13:08:26 <warlord> I think that's fine.. Just be sure to update the documentation too ;)
13:11:48 <andi5> yes, will do
13:12:05 *** andi5 has quit IRC
13:18:01 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
13:19:07 *** slicslak has joined #gnucash
13:24:55 <magenpie> hello all
13:25:18 <magenpie> i'm going to reinstall debian and i want to make sure that i save the correct gnucash files...
13:25:38 <magenpie> from today i have two .log files and one gzip file
13:26:05 <magenpie> would that be all i need when i reinstall gnucash?
13:26:22 <magenpie> i probably only need the latest .log file?
13:26:27 <magenpie> and the gzip
13:27:19 <jsled> The gzip is your datafile. That's the primary file you want. The log files are nice to have. Also, your ~/.gnucash directory is a nice-to-have.
13:27:28 <jsled> (as it includes saved report state)
13:28:26 <magenpie> ok, thanks
13:28:51 <warlord> magenpie: you want ~/.gnucash ~/.gnome2 and your data file. You dont need the .log files.
13:30:06 <magenpie> ok
13:31:32 <magenpie> what's in the /.gnome2?
13:31:57 <magenpie> that i would need for gnucash...
13:33:51 <warlord> Oh. Huh. Maybe it's not used anymore.
13:35:19 <warlord> Oh, also... All your preferences are in your gconf settings.
13:36:26 <magenpie> got it...thanks
13:54:50 *** sjc has joined #gnucash
14:31:54 *** MacIver has joined #gnucash
14:32:23 *** MacGyver has quit IRC
14:36:11 *** jebrown has joined #gnucash
14:38:59 *** jebrown has quit IRC
15:16:27 *** ergo has joined #gnucash
15:16:31 <ergo> hi
15:16:47 <jsled> hello
15:17:35 <ergo> where do I find the "Kundensystem-ID"?
15:17:54 *** sjc_ has joined #gnucash
15:19:04 <warlord> ergo: No idea. what is it in English?
15:19:12 <jsled> Is that an HBCI thing?
15:19:21 <ergo> yes
15:19:53 <ergo> GnuCash already connects successfully to the bank, my certificates are there
15:20:37 <ergo> but the error message says "customer system id not valid"
15:21:03 <jsled> I don't know anything about HBCI, sorry. Your best bet is probably the gnucash-de mailing list.
15:21:26 <ergo> I've already written a mail
15:21:40 <ergo> just wanted to test if it's getting faster here ;-)
15:23:13 <warlord> ergo: I dont see cstim here. He's pretty much the only person here who could answer.
15:23:31 <ergo> warlord: thank you :)
15:23:43 <warlord> you're welcome
15:25:10 *** sjc has quit IRC
15:28:34 *** magenpie has quit IRC
15:30:02 *** esodan has quit IRC
15:32:44 <ergo> bye
15:32:48 *** ergo has quit IRC
15:48:58 *** magenpie has joined #gnucash
16:00:25 *** andi5 has joined #gnucash
16:00:25 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
16:51:04 *** dgdgdg has joined #gnucash
16:52:53 <dgdgdg> During reconciliation a few months ago I somehow missed a trasanction (or I selected the wrong one) and it has come to haunt me now. Is there a way to fix this?
16:53:23 <warlord> should that txn be reconciled as of now?
16:54:22 <dgdgdg> Yes.
16:55:39 <warlord> Then just run the reconciliation process, ignore the starting balance, set the correct ending balance, just go ahead and make sure everything is marked reconciled that should be...
16:55:53 <warlord> Or are you saying that you marked a txn as reconciled that SHOULDN'T be, even now?
16:56:55 <dgdgdg> It was supposed to be reconciled in November. So it has remained outstanding an unnoticed since then. It's marked as N and should be Y.
17:00:12 <warlord> Then do what I just suggested.
17:01:41 <dgdgdg> Aha! I see what you mean. Back in November I selected the wrong transaction. Now, I need to select the wrong one again. Two wrongs = one right.
17:02:06 *** twunder has quit IRC
17:02:20 <warlord> Basically, yes.
17:04:16 <dgdgdg> Thank you so much for you help :)
17:05:17 <warlord> you're welcome
17:06:27 *** dgdgdg has left #gnucash
17:28:49 <andi5> warlord: qif-import is your domain... feel free to stone me if i trashed it with r15336 :) ... or even better, let gncbot do it ;)
17:29:20 <warlord> ok
17:29:51 <andi5> good... see you! (in hell? who knows)
17:30:29 *** andi5 has quit IRC
17:35:06 <warlord> heh
17:44:09 *** ErKa has quit IRC
18:00:36 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
18:14:37 *** |gunni| has joined #gnucash
18:33:59 *** Demitar has quit IRC
18:54:40 *** |gunni| has quit IRC
19:15:35 *** kbgrimes has joined #gnucash
20:03:25 *** mnoir has quit IRC
20:17:37 *** mnoir has joined #gnucash
20:29:36 *** mnoir has quit IRC
20:59:03 <chris> man I hate this register.
20:59:24 <chris> Is is possible to make the memo field narrower?
20:59:50 <chris> seems like I can shrink every field but that one.
21:06:54 *** sjc_ has quit IRC
21:17:58 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
22:11:46 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
22:14:58 <elb_> ahh, classic open source user
22:27:59 <jsled> elb_: who's that?
22:41:47 <elb_> at first glance, i thought chris
22:41:55 <elb_> then I realized he might conceivably be doing something about it ;-)
22:48:51 *** twunder has quit IRC
22:49:58 *** jpeach has joined #gnucash
22:50:06 *** jpeach has left #gnucash